indy4 155 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Please consider the efforts of both Menken and the lyricist(s) for each work.1. The Hunchback of Notre DameThis score is almost perfect. The music and the lyrics are both endlessly entertaining and interesting in their own right, but together they work really well. A highpoint for vocal/musical collaboration is "Heaven's Light/Hellfire," but the whole score is great. The weakest link is "A Guy Like You," not because it's a bad song but because it doesn't mesh very well with the rest of the score. The use of Dies Irae, both the poem and the melody, is very effective. The underscore is fantastic too.2. PocahontasThe songs are gorgeous and thrilling and enchanting, and some of the underscore (i.e. "Farewell") is fantastic. Overall the underscore is the worst part, because often it feels like unnecessary repetitions of thematic ideas that don't really serve to progress the score in any way. There's also a good deal of cartoonish filler, which is understandable but not desirable. I haven't given much thought musically as to why this is so, but "If I Never Knew You" seems to harken back to some of John Williams' famous love themes (i.e. Han Solo and the Princess). The lyrics are fantastic again. I wish Menken continued his work with Schwartz, I vastly prefer their collaborations to Menken's collaboration with Ashman, Rice, or Slater.3. Beauty and the BeastEverything about this score is good, and some of it is great. But it never reaches the fantastic heights of Pocahontas or Hunchback, and while it is constant in quality, that quality is a notch lower than the latter. The title song is also probably one of the weaker main melodies for a Menken score (unless you consider the fantastic prologue theme to be the main melody of the score). Still, there's nothing bad about Beauty and the Beast.4. The Little MermaidI really don't know as much about this one as I should. However, from what I do know it's a fun and imaginative work. Rhythmically there's a lot of interesting stuff going on, especially in "Kiss the Girl." And "Fathoms Below" is a great sea tune that seems to harken back to a different collective nostalgia than the rest of Menken's Broadway-influenced works.5. AladdinThere's some fun, energetic ideas in this score, but overall it doesn't hold up to other Menken works. The underscore is a little too cartoonish, and it lacks a really strong ballad to make the score anything more than a fun ride. "A Whole New World" is fine, but it's a far far cry from "Colors of the Wind" or "God Help the Outcasts," or even "Part of that World." It doesn't help that it's been overplayed in elements of pop culture. Still, it's a nice listen, mostly for the fanfares and bombast.6. TangledTangled has some highlights but overall it's pretty forgettable. It's a little too pop-influenced for my tastes. It's also pretty predictable, even for something from Disney. Songs like "When Will My Life Begin" or "Mother Knows Best" are just okay. On the other hand there are some really nice melodies, like "I've Got a Dream" and "I See the Light," which seem to be more Broadway-influenced (at least in the case of the former). The underscore has some thrilling moments, but I can't for the life of me remember how any of them go.I do not own Hercules, Enchanted, or Newsies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I believe Beauty and the Beast is Menken's best score yet. It is has great and highly enjoyable set of songs with some fantastic underscore. Pocahontas comes in second.I also agree with you on the point about Schwartz. He writes great songs for these animated films. I absolutely loved his work on The Prince of Egypt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,462 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 ALADDIN, hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I've never really cared too much of Menken's scores, to the point where I usually just listen to the songs anymore. With that in mind, I like them all more or less equally, but I'll go out on a limb and pick Hercules, partly because I find the use of gospel music inspired and because the lyrics are exceedingly clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I'm mostly familiar with Aladdin so I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTallJodie 59 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 We've had this poll before. Going with Hunchback, despite "A Guy Like You" being an anchor trying to drag it to the bottom of the ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Right now I'm preferring The Little Mermaid, but I have some significant biases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonStar 57 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 When it comes to songs, Aladdin is unbeatable for me, mostly due to nostalgic value ("Prince Ali" and "Friend Like Me" being my all-time favourites). But score-wise, though I adore all of them, I'll go with Hunchback Of Notre Dame. "Sanctuary" and "And He Shall Smite The Wicked" truly give me chills!I''m looking forward to see him score some non-Disney films (Mirror, Mirror in March, for example) and his scores get a healthy, long release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 The Bells of Notre Dame particularly that awesome high vocal ending by Clopin:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwnh-sxaBwk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Where is Home on the Range? Nobody should vote for it, but it still ought to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 Is that a musical? I thought it was just a non-song score.EDIT: Added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 In terms of pure, orchestral work, here are some of the highlights of Alan Menken's career:* The Little Mermaid * Beauty and The Beasthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxmVnaRodS4* Aladdinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mY-m2nvXGQ* Pocahontashttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5Yanq--MJs* The Hunchback of Notre Damehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8axNKiFETrk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 * Herculeshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGvKlDnsaeY* Home On the Range * Enchanted * Tangled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Hunchback of Notre Dame. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 ALADDIN, hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Aladdin in Spanish = Original Aladdin= , but not that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Is that a musical? I thought it was just a non-song score.I actually really like that score. (And the movie for that matter.) It isn't the best, but it's pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Aladdin has always been my favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackR 95 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast for me (with BatB #1). I do love the music of Aladdin but the film doesn't hood up quite as well for me for some reason, though it is still an absolute classic. The other two plus Lion King have that "timeless" Disney quality, while some aspects of Aladdin leave it squarely in the 90's. I am thinking of some of the humor and Gilbert Godfried specifically.The music is wonderful but BatB is tops for me. That intro alone is a favorite. I was thrilled to get it without the voiceover on the Music Behind the Magic set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 I think Gottfried dates Aladdin as being 90s only because his career as of late has been spent either insulting contestants on Hollywood Squares or being extremely rude and insensitive in other places. Sure, he voiced the Aflac duck, until the second criterion caught up to him, but he hasn't done much since the 90s, making him feel very 90s.But yes, BatB is awesome. I bought the soundtrack simply for the Transformation track which still gives me goosebumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 The music is wonderful but BatB is tops for me. That intro alone is a favorite. I was thrilled to get it without the voiceover on the Music Behind the Magic set. Heck yeah. That set is awesome. Since we've never seen anything from Disney like that since (or even the Star Wars set from that same time period), I've always wondered how well it actually sold. I'm thinking not enough. But you can tell a lot of love went into that set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Well I must say that I love the scores to The Hunchback of Notre Dame and Beauty and the Beast (original and re-make believe it or not). These are my thoughts on each. 1. The Hunchback of Notre Dame Glorious. A stupendous choral spectacular with songs and score beyond belief. Furious and dark at times, yet hopeful and enlightening still. The character Claude Frollo holds my favourite song- Heaven's Light/Hellfire- a fierce and resounding aria of sorts. The power of the lyrics and their excellent presentation are beyond spectacular. He Shall Smite the Wicked is my favourite track of score. Menken delivers in this choral masterpiece. 2. Beauty and the Beast Splendid. The original was always an instant classic for me but I must say I have just watched and listened to the remake. I am most pleased with the film and score. Menken allows the themes to flourish and the new renditions of the songs are splendid. The audio often sounds like it was recorded in a box but fortunately it doesn't interfere with the great work. Luke Evans actually has a very good voice and all others hold true. The original on the other hand is just as highly esteemed in my eyes. Quite good. I'd be curious to see what a Hunchback remake might look like. New recordings, another chance for Menken to dazzle us once again. The casting in BatB was right on, but what would a Hunchback remake look like? I always thought Ben Mendelssohn could be a convincing Frollo. There's even a line in the original that goes something like "Oh look it's Phoebus back from the dead." which is quite funny to think about because Mendelssohn's part in Rogue One echoes a line like that. It is a dangerous path, remakes. But the Beauty and the Beast remake didn't stray very far and was quite enjoyable for the most part. Who knows. Some things are best left untouched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,643 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I didn’t end up voting for it, but Hercules is a very underrated score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,643 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 As I've been watching tons of Disney movies with my kid, many for the first time, I've also been building up my soundtrack collection. Been grooving on the Legacy Collections of Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty, and the digital soundtracks for Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan, and Snow White. A bit surprised - I couldn't find a good release of The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Notre Dame. Stunning score. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I voted Pocahontas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I voted Pocahontas The songs are culturally insensitive, but yes the score is great. 5 hours ago, Fabulin said: The only possible choice for the best one is the rich Beauty and The Beast, with Little Mermaid and Pocahontas, both having many wonderful moments, as runners-up. The Overture for the live action Beauty and The Beast might be a short reminder for those, who fail to recall why. Simply stunning work yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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