WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Geisha is probobly my favorite score by Williams, aside from E.T. To me its unbelievable that he didnt get the oscar for it, and Brokeback Mountain did. What is everyones thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 It's a stupendously beautiful score. Funny you should mention it, I just played it again now for the first time in far too long -- including the three live tracks. WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I'm rather indifferent to that one. It's nice and all, but far from one of my favs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Memoirs of a Geisha is a brilliant score and one of my personal favourites from the maestro as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Geisha is probobly my favorite score by Williams, aside from E.T. To me its unbelievable that he didnt get the oscar for it, and Brokeback Mountain did. What is everyones thoughts?Oscar for best score is a throwaway prize given to whichever movie is going to get best picture or otherwise needs some quality recognition other than best picture, regardless of musical qualifications. Since BBM didn't get the best picture, they gave it the score as a superficial nod. WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 It is an excellent and thoughtfully beautiful score by Williams, a very succesful blending of Eastern musical stylistics into the Western orchestral idiom. Definitely one of the highlight among his noughties works. My further thoughts on the score can be found here: http://www.jwfan.com...showtopic=20088 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 For some reason decided to pull out the dvd this morning. Really just a fantastic piece of cinematography, and the score really brings the whole thing to lifeGeisha is probobly my favorite score by Williams, aside from E.T. To me its unbelievable that he didnt get the oscar for it, and Brokeback Mountain did. What is everyones thoughts?Oscar for best score is a throwaway prize given to whichever movie is going to get best picture or otherwise needs some quality recognition other than best picture, regardless of musical qualifications. Since BBM didn't get the best picture, they gave it the score as a superficial nod.agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 It is an excellent and thoughtfully beautiful score by Williams, a very succesful blending of Eastern musical stylistics into the Western orchestral idiom. Definitely one of the highlight among his noughties works. My further thoughts on the score can be found here: http://www.jwfan.com...showtopic=20088Yes, but as successful as Christopher Gordon's Mao's Last Dancer? I think not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 It is an excellent and thoughtfully beautiful score by Williams, a very succesful blending of Eastern musical stylistics into the Western orchestral idiom. Definitely one of the highlight among his noughties works. My further thoughts on the score can be found here: http://www.jwfan.com...showtopic=20088Yes, but as successful as Christopher Gordon's Mao's Last Dancer? I think not!For some reason Mao's Last Dancer didn't do much for me. It has been a while since I listened to it so I think it's time to give it another spin to see if I am of that mind still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 It is an excellent and thoughtfully beautiful score by Williams, a very succesful blending of Eastern musical stylistics into the Western orchestral idiom. Definitely one of the highlight among his noughties works. My further thoughts on the score can be found here: http://www.jwfan.com...showtopic=20088Yes, but as successful as Christopher Gordon's Mao's Last Dancer? I think not!For some reason Mao's Last Dancer didn't do much for me. It has been a while since I listened to it so I think it's time to give it another spin to see if I am of that mind still.Oh, you must. Although I'll allow that the score is somewhat top-heavy, unlike Williams's, which is remarkably consistent throughout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Mao's Last Dancer is a good score but pales in comparison to Memoirs of a Geisha. The latter is the far superior score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 It's good, but far from his best work, in my opinion. As many know, I prefer the other score that got nominated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 it's a beautiful score but there are 10-15 ahead of it that I like more from Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 It's good, but far from his best work, in my opinion. As many know, I prefer the other score that got nominated.Munich is a great score. A shame that people around here don't like it much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I like it. I think it's beautiful. KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I like it. I think it's beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Yeah, but I prefer it over Star Wars and Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 So? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 It being my favorite Spielberg and my favorite Williams is apparently a problem for most. It means I have no taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 It's a great film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Wait until Joey gets in here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I don't know about the scores, but I saw Geisha, and I thought it was boooring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Koray, how many times have you seen Munich in total? Also, how much time has it been since the last time you saw it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 It's a really good music to listen to, if somewhat restrained emotionally. But you really need to experience it with the film where you truly see why Williams is a master.Try to ignore film itself, though. Horrible.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I love Sayuri's theme itself, but much of the rest of the score leaves me a little cold. Which is interesting, because it does share certain stylistic similarities with Images, a score I happen to love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 It's a really good music to listen to, if somewhat restrained emotionally. But you really need to experience it with the film where you truly see why Williams is a master.Try to ignore film itself, though. Horrible.KarolThe film has its flaws, but it looks so beautiful in all departments that it can be enjoyed as a visual, artpiece feast for the eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 It looks good. My problem is it never really feels... honest. There's something too "TV melodrama" to make it really shine. Pity, because the book itself is much more than that. I am told.Anyway, Williams' score is its strongest asset. Marshall clearly liked the score cause it's always in the spotlight.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 If only the movie could helped the great score a bit more, it could have been a real classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 It looks good. My problem is it never really feels... honest. There's something too "TV melodrama" to make it really shine. Pity, because the book itself is much more than that. I am told.Anyway, Williams' score is its strongest asset. Marshall clearly liked the score cause it's always in the spotlight.KarolI never read the book, but I agree it went a bit overboard with the melodrama. Still, I managed to focus exclusively on all the audiovisual aspects -- one great setpiece after the other. Original storytelling isn't everything to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 It's cool for the occasional listen. It's not a favorite, but I enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 The score is brilliant. It also works great with the film if you blur your sight for some bad acting. But the best parts are really enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I like Sayuri's theme, but I have a hard time appreciating arabic/oriental music in general - don't know why. The bulk of the score does little for me.Never seen the film - the subject matter didn't appeal to me in the slightest from day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I love Arabic/oriental or other ethnic overtones, it's why this score really appeals to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 The movie is underrated. Was it Oscar material outside of technical categories? Maybe not. Is it a soulless Hollywood interpretation of eastern culture? Probably. But it's damn watchable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 It is watchable and its quite beautiful visually. But the sense of falseness is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted June 20, 2012 Author Share Posted June 20, 2012 i did the whole thing backwards. i heard the score, read the book and then watched the movie. i watched the movie just after i finished the book, and didnt like it. i watched it this morning however, and loved it. my memory must be hazey with the book, but the book had much more detail in it, and had alot more historical value in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I read the book a long time ago (before the film was conceived), then later I heard the score, then I watched the film. Loved the book and the score, didn't like the film so much although it is a thing of beauty (on a visual level). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Great sets but more a movie for women's interest channels than a truly artistic movie. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 It's a fantastic score, one of JW's very best, and yet . . . I am quite indifferent to the movie. I don't think it's a bad movie, no, but then, neither would I call it a good, let alone great movie. I saw it twice (once in the theater, once on DVD, and that's enough). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Never seen the movie or heard the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 In fact, this score should have received an Oscar just for the 3 set pieces alone: "Going to School," "The Chairman's Waltz," and "Becoming a Geisha." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 In fact, this score should have received an Oscar just for the 3 set pieces alone: "Going to School," "The Chairman's Waltz," and "Becoming a Geisha."I would not include Going to School in that list as it is so heavily temp track influenced.Later Williams did wonders with the material in his Suite for Cello and Orchestra where Last Emperor stylings were much less blantant and development of his own ideas more extensive. As the Water... or Confluence would be my choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Never seen the movie or heard the score. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 In fact, this score should have received an Oscar just for the 3 set pieces alone: "Going to School," "The Chairman's Waltz," and "Becoming a Geisha."Because the Oscar stands for artistic quality? Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 In fact, this score should have received an Oscar just for the 3 set pieces alone: "Going to School," "The Chairman's Waltz," and "Becoming a Geisha."Because the Oscar stands for artistic quality?"Should have" implies what is generally not the case, but what is desirable in an ideal world.As the Water... or Confluence would be my choices.Yes, those are fantastic too.And also I love the very first track, the one in which the cello playing triplets mimicks the falling rain... all I can say is, wow. So simple, but effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted June 20, 2012 Author Share Posted June 20, 2012 In fact, this score should have received an Oscar just for the 3 set pieces alone: "Going to School," "The Chairman's Waltz," and "Becoming a Geisha."I would not include Going to School in that list as it is so heavily temp track influenced.Later Williams did wonders with the material in his Suite for Cello and Orchestra where Last Emperor stylings were much less blantant and development of his own ideas more extensive. As the Water... or Confluence would be my choices.definatly confluence!has everyone heard the duet piano and cello album he and yo yo ma did? pretty good stuff. too bad its only three tracks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Confluence was by far my most favourite but I thought it was a missed opportunity.Missed opportunity for what?JW wrote it, it can be heard quite loudly in the movie, we got the track on the OS album. Could we wish for more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Confluence was by far my most favourite but I thought it was a missed opportunity.Missed opportunity for what?JW wrote it, it can be heard quite loudly in the movie, we got the track on the OS album. Could we wish for more? I think he meant the score in general, not just that one track Josh.In fact, this score should have received an Oscar just for the 3 set pieces alone: "Going to School," "The Chairman's Waltz," and "Becoming a Geisha."I would not include Going to School in that list as it is so heavily temp track influenced.Later Williams did wonders with the material in his Suite for Cello and Orchestra where Last Emperor stylings were much less blantant and development of his own ideas more extensive. As the Water... or Confluence would be my choices.definatly confluence!has everyone heard the duet piano and cello album he and yo yo ma did? pretty good stuff. too bad its only three tracks...Yes the three pieces are lovely indeed. And have you heard the Suite from Memoirs of a Geisha for Cello and Orchestra? It is definitely one of the best reworkings of his score material into an independent suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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