nightscape94 965 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 7 hours ago, crumbs said: Well Prometheus was more polarizing than inherently bad. The reasons it was polarizing was directly as a result of the inherently bad elements. Some were willing to overlook, some were not. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 OK, finally saw the new trailer Well, I liked the cinematography and set/production design, but that's about it - literally nothing else about the trailer made me interested in seeing the film at all. Looks like more of the same ole same ole story wise, nothing from this or that short film thingy made me any interested in the cast, and some of the CGI in this trailer was dodgy. Plus it just looks like a bunch of uninspire, repetitive setpieces. I imagine this probably won't get good reviews or do good box office Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I guess I'm different, Jay. I think the cinematography and sets correlate with the choice of actors and the Xenomorph banging on the spaceship's window. It's all part of he same Scott Factory aesthetic. Not one element seems to rise above the 'meh'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,710 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 7 hours ago, Jay said: OK, finally saw the new trailer Well, I liked the cinematography and set/production design, but that's about it - literally nothing else about the trailer made me interested in seeing the film at all. Looks like more of the same ole same ole story wise, nothing from this or that short film thingy made me any interested in the cast, and some of the CGI in this trailer was dodgy. Plus it just looks like a bunch of uninspire, repetitive setpieces. I imagine this probably won't get good reviews or do good box office Agree w/all this is except the last bit...I'm guessing it will track like Prometheus...mediocre reviews...60-70% on Metacritic, and a solid, but unspectacular, box office performance (assuming that Life coming out a couple months earlier doesn't take the wind out of Covenant's sails). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 But so many people were disappointed by Prometheus, I think this will make less many than that did, especially with all the summer competition its facing (three superhero movies) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Maybe people still have hope in the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Sure, Thor and Crumbs aren't the only ones who still have faith in Scott. There are many more out there ... outside the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Scott's issue isn't his cinematic eye or directing skills, it's his ability to find a gripping worth-while story to tell, and telling it with the wisdom of his experience. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, nightscape94 said: Scott's issue isn't his cinematic eye or directing skills, it's his ability to find a gripping worth-while story to tell, and telling it with the wisdom of his experience. YES! Extremely well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I clearly see things differently. I see the result of someone with no ambition.This reflects on every aspect of his movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Lack of ambition doesn't mean lack of skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 48 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: I clearly see things differently. I see the result of someone with no ambition.This reflects on every aspect of his movies. It's rather amazing to me that you can't see ambition in what he's been doing lately. It's OK if you don't like the movies for whatever reason, but I see ambition in every frame he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 As usual you see something because you want to see something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, Thor said: but I see ambition in every frame he does. That's strange because I see a director who underestimates his own audience. 8 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Lack of ambition doesn't mean lack of skill. Hollywood is full of skilled people. 'Skilled' doesn't wow me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: I see a director who underestimates his own audience. In what way? Scott has always been a visceral & visual director, so whatever complexity (philosophically or otherwise) there is, it's planted on that side. If you're going to a Scott film expecting a complex surface narrative, you're looking in the wrong place. You should see Godard or something instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 58 minutes ago, Thor said: It's rather amazing to me that you can't see ambition in what he's been doing lately. It's OK if you don't like the movies for whatever reason, but I see ambition in every frame he does. I think he's trying too, I just don't like the results at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, Jay said: I think he's trying too, I just don't like the results at all That's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I'd rather watch a piece of shit, by Scott, rather than a "classic" by someone like Nolan. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 5 hours ago, Alexcremers said: Hollywood is full of skilled people. 'Skilled' doesn't wow me. Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 5 hours ago, Jay said: I think he's trying too, I just don't like the results at all Funny, that's kind of how I think of Christopher Nolan. I definitely feel his effort to stay one step ahead of the audience, and I appreciate that, but it's too narrative based for my taste. With Scott I feel he doesn't care at all. Working is important to him, the result is of lesser importance. Yes, it's technically skilled, but I expect more from the man who made The Duellists, Alien and Blade Runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 16 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: Funny, that's kind of how I think of Christopher Nolan. I definitely feel his effort to stay one step ahead of the audience, and I appreciate that, but it's too narrative based for my taste. With Scott I feel he doesn't care at all. Working is important to him, the result is of lesser importance. Yes, it's technically skilled, but I expect more from the man who made The Duellists, Alien and Blade Runner. I feel the same way. There's something cold about Scott's latest films. Like they're made by a man with the technical expertise to easily put these big projects together, but with little real interest to do so. With Nolan, he gets so caught up in the ideas that he tends to lose sight of the bigger picture, so his films are sometimes held down by overwrought plot machinations or exposition. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Scott just wants to keep busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 If he stops for a break they'll only ship him off to an old folks home, where he'll die. Quintus - thought the fun Martian movie was the exact opposite of cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Working keeps him young. I don't think he will ever retire. He will die while giving instructions. Remember, you heard it first from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 All hail the all-knowing Cremers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Not too fast, Koray, it hasn't happend yet. Alexadamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Nostracremers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Nostracremers sounds so impersonal. You must consider me as a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Cremadamus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Yes, that might work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmm 91 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Sounds like a fabulous title to a porn clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 For what it's worth (which, probably isn't much) I've just watched PROMETHEUS, for the 5th time. It really is good, and if Roger Ebert gives it 4/4, then who is anyone to disagree? I can't wait for ALIEN COVENANT, so... ! Thor and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 How refreshing to find a rare, kindred soul on this! THUMBS UP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 On 3/8/2017 at 9:54 AM, Alexcremers said: Nostracremers sounds so impersonal. You must consider me as a friend. But I do consider you a friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 4 hours ago, Richard said: It really is good, and if Roger Ebert gives it 4/4, then who is anyone to disagree? Because we're individuals with our own taste and standards to measure the quality of a film against? And Ebert tended to be too generous too often with his 4/4 ratings. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 He was right about the prequels, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 He wasn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 He was dead on balls accurate. He enjoyed Phantom and Sith and thought Clones was a bit of a misfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 "The Prequels were jawdroppingly bad!" - Roger Ebert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Of course they were...but that doesn't mean that they weren't entertaining. I like a lot of what people call "bad" films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 But do you also like a lot of what people call "good" films? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 What is "good", Blood? For that matter, what is "bad"? Blood, I'm not a drama critic. To answer Daniel's post..if I like a film, I like a film, and stuff everyone else (case in point: PROMETHEUS). There are, however, the opinions of certain critics, that I inherently trust, and I try to use what they have to say about a film, as a yardstick to measure the film up against. These are people who - usually - have some sort of journalistic background, or who undertook film studies, at college, or university, and who write about films for a living. In short; it is their business to inform the general public about Cinema, and all things that surround the subject of Cinema. Of course, everyone's opinion is valid. Dan's, or mine, or Inky's, or Steef's opinion is no less relevant than, say, Pauline Kael's, but...is it as informed? Conversely, when The Sun says that a film is "Brilliant!", I usually run a mile from both the paper, and the film, because I just know that the opinion of The Sun is not even worth crapping on. To be fair to The Sun, it's a certain type of newspaper, with a certain type of opinion, for a certain type of readership - which I do not conform to. In short; yes I like a lot of "good" films. For example, I like VERTIGO, but without reading around the subject, I could not inform people as to why it is so good. All I know is, I like it. This is where the good folk of JWfan come in, and I'm grateful for all the insightful evaluations that I have read. They certainly make my own meagre efforts seem as nothing. Like what you like, and don't like what you don't like, but, at least know why. Without that knowledge, one is just supercargo. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Brilliant post, Richard. You make too much sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Pity you couldn't be as humble and unassuming as him with your own filmic views, huh Thor! Quintus - still reserves the right to snigger at people who enjoy patently bad movies in his view, such as Prometheus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I rank them below the people who wear tracksuits and fight in Aldi's car park! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Looks better (though I would never have picked that music) but will it be in the movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Looks amazing, but I think this is another "pre-film"; seems to be a Walter/Weyland-Utani commercial created specifically as PR material. Perhaps it includes actual footage from the film. Love the use of music in this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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