Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Since visiting some Locations from the film recently i listnened to the score a lot lately, and noticed that these two themes, being so well written by Williams in a christian/medieval flair, would have benefitted a lot if some renditions of their renditions had featured a male choir, sung in gregorian chant fashion.It's a shame this score didnt feature a choir like the other two. Well yes there was the fake choir but...what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I disagree. It would have sounded too Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 In my opinion the plain song choir would not have been exactly right for the tone of either theme but I think some kind of choral accompaniment would have been quite potent combined with those melodies, especially the Grail theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I'd never thought of this. These themes sound very sober and spot on as they are.But I thinkit would have sounded good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I'd never thought of this. These themes sound very sober and spot on as they are.Indeed. Williams succeeded to convey exactly the right mood and spirituality with both themes without the choir. Wrong Choice, Right Choice has the most goosebump inducing rendition of the Grail Theme even though it is done purely orchestrally. There is a wonderful glowing and luminous quality to the sound Williams conjures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I disagree. It would have sounded too Catholic.Williams used chorus in Raiders and Temple without it sounding Catholic? You doubt his ability to do the same in TLC?Besides, what is a Catholic chorus but a combined group of voices singing or chanting Latin in a religious setting. The Grail was sought during the Crusades, before the Reformation broke the Church's solidarity. The music would be appropriate.I have often felt the lack of chorus in TLC cheapens the score with respect to the other two. It's still great music and works onscreen and in the album, at least what we have, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted August 2, 2012 Author Share Posted August 2, 2012 i didnt meant solo renditions, (it could have worked in donovan's house, though the actual music is excellent as it is) but choral accompainment of some renditions.Maybe even mixed choir as suggested would have been cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Williams used chorus in Raiders and Temple without it sounding Catholic? You doubt his ability to do the same in TLC?Besides, what is a Catholic chorus but a combined group of voices singing or chanting Latin in a religious setting. The Grail was sought during the Crusades, before the Reformation broke the Church's solidarity. The music would be appropriate.I have often felt the lack of chorus in TLC cheapens the score with respect to the other two. It's still great music and works onscreen and in the album, at least what we have, but still.Obviously you have trouble reading!I dismissed Luke's suggestion of a male "gregorian" type choir for sounding to Catholic.Better luck next time, sport! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Since visiting some Locations from the film recently i listnened to the score a lot lately, and noticed that these two themes, being so well written by Williams in a christian/medieval flair, would have benefitted a lot if some renditions of their renditions had featured a male choir, sung in gregorian chant fashion.It's a shame this score didnt feature a choir like the other two. Well yes there was the fake choir but...what do you think?He chose... poorly. I think the music is sweet, noble, mystical and biblical enough how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Liverpudlian is correct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I stand by my comments with the unwavering pride of someone who is only as wrong as often as is required to jump-start Stef's self-esteem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I don't need you to boost my ego. That's what women are for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I think that would be your id, not your ego.But since I can't read, you may have actually typed in an order for flapjacks and bacon, and I just misread it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted August 2, 2012 Author Share Posted August 2, 2012 Nevertheless these themes could never sound too catholic, they were meant to as much as the ark theme can sound 'Old testament/jewish.I mean it fits/would have fitted 100% even if catholicism is not your cup of tea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Also, you are in the wrong era. Gregorian chanting would not be right age wise for the grail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Also, you are in the wrong era. Gregorian chanting would not be right age wise for the grailOh the audience wouldn't know that! They sure don't complain about the "early Latin from 11th century" in TLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 But John Williams knows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted August 2, 2012 Author Share Posted August 2, 2012 you mean the grail should have 33 a.C. sounding music?Ok.But the knight's music, being on the crusades, that could have gregorian (or whatever monk chant should be called if it's not in the correct medieval century...)BTW even if the relic was created in the roman era, the film revolves about the passage of that relic within the middle ages so anything regarding christianity in that era is completely perfect for the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 If TLC had a choir then Indy 4 would feel out of place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted August 2, 2012 Author Share Posted August 2, 2012 kotcs doesnt need a choir...It could have featured more theremin, or whatever the creepy instrument for skull was called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 TLC doesn't need a choir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 kotcs doesnt need a choir...It could have featured more theremin, or whatever the creepy instrument for skull was called.The Continuum fingerboard was featured quite a bit in the score but I am glad it wasn't utilized too heavy handedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Idiot!KOTCS has choir!I liked most of the synth work in KOTCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 If TLC had a choir then Indy 4 would feel out of place.Yes, I'm very glad that Indy 4 didn't feel out of place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Idiot!KOTCS has choir!I liked most of the synth work in KOTCSYes the choir is there but it is used in 2 or 3 cues. In somewhat similar manner as in Raiders, only when truly needed for extra effect, underscoring the otherwordly and alien but overall less powerful than in Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted August 2, 2012 Author Share Posted August 2, 2012 kotcs doesnt need a choir...It could have featured more theremin, or whatever the creepy instrument for skull was called.The Continuum fingerboard was featured quite a bit in the score but I am glad it wasn't utilized too heavy handedly.I think one or two skull renditions needed a little more of it, but yet overusing it would have been bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Why? If you are gonna use a sci-fi cliche instument, use it properly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Why? If you are gonna use a sci-fi cliche instument, use it properly!I think the allusion to the sci-fi sounds of the 1950's movies was well balanced in KotCS, not too little and not too much, a hint of familiarity tastefully done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 It was too little. I was actually looking forward to John Williams using a theremin-like sound. but he used it so boringly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 It was too little. I was actually looking forward to John Williams using a theremin-like sound. but he used it so boringly.Obviously you like theremin more than I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I prefer Theramin to the RCP crap, and Ondes Martenot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 So? I prefer eating chewing gum to treading in a dog turd! What's your point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 There is, no, point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 So? I prefer eating chewing gum to treading in a dog turd! What's your point!You ever take your shoes and socks off and make fists with your toes? You haven't stepped in a dog turd until you've stepped in it barefoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 It was too little. I was actually looking forward to John Williams using a theremin-like sound. but he used it so boringly.Obviously you like theremin more than I do.I love theremins.Cosman probably had in mind something like the breathtaking beginning of this OST track from Marco Beltrami's Hellboy for KOTCS.[media=] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 i didnt meant solo renditions, (it could have worked in donovan's house, though the actual music is excellent as it is) but choral accompainment of some renditions.Maybe even mixed choir as suggested would have been cool.Neither would have been Gregorian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Raiders needs the continuum fingerboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 The Raiders reboot will, don't worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted August 3, 2012 Author Share Posted August 3, 2012 It was too little. I was actually looking forward to John Williams using a theremin-like sound. but he used it so boringly.who knows what ended on the cutting room floor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Nothing much I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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