Wojo 2,453 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 The ID4 fleet was taken down because Knowle Rohrer had inside information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Shoot me, Agent Doggett if you think it will make a difference this time. Wojo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 New comics will explain what happened in the last 20 years.http://www.scified.com/independenceday2/independence-day-comics-will-explain-events-between-the-first-independence-day-and-resurgence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 First score snippet unveiled. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1689437364632626&id=1431360613773637 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Surprised the score is recording this early. Only a snippet but sounds like a generic, indiscernible outtake from Alien Vs Predator. I'd challenge you to find a dull 10 second excerpt from Arnold's ID4 score! I'll wait for a meatier clip before shitcanning Kloser too much, but I'm resigned to the likelihood this'll be a dust-collector. Arnold's score was lightning in a bottle and his themes are iconic; nothing new Kloser writes will come close to Arnold's themes. I'm expecting something like Giacchino's Jurassic World; a 110 minute score where the only memorable thing is the previous composer's music. MSM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Awful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 9 hours ago, Drax said: First score snippet unveiled. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1689437364632626&id=1431360613773637 Wow! David Arnold's a genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 You can already hear this is gonna be something special! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 On 28/01/2016 at 11:42 PM, crumbs said: I'd challenge you to find a dull 10 second excerpt from Arnold's ID4 score! I don't think Emmerich even really liked Arnold's music anyway. I've never heard him comment about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 22 minutes ago, Drax said: I don't think Emmerich even really liked Arnold's music anyway. I've never heard him comment about it. Says much about his taste in music then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Disappointing. When I first heard that Independence Day 2 was going to happen for real, my first thought was how exciting to have David Arnold revisit this music. Too bad it will variations on AVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 David Arnold had expressed his interest, but I don't think Emmerich wants him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Of course not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 Well if he was smart he would have put their arguments of the past aside, and hire him, as his music was instrumental to the original movie's success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 11 minutes ago, MSM said: as his music was instrumental to the original movie's success. Emmerich's ego prevents him from acknowledging that. He would rather believe his pictures, dialogue and sound effects can stand up on their own without Arnold's "league-of-its-own" music distracting the audience with the sheer overwhelming force of its undeniable, unparallelled god-like superiority. Kloser's generic, 'inoffensive', unobtrusive drones fit his vision better. They've probably been having a laugh together amongst themselves at the scoring sessions with Emmerich telling Harald "I like it, so much better than David's". crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Kloser's Day After Tomorrow has some good parts and I think fits the movie. In fact, given the crap he's made lately, I'd rather Kloser provided his usual inoffensive scoring than Arnold having to go RCP on us. That said, what's Arnold been doing lately, apart from Sherlock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 The sad reality is that Arnold would be as hamstrung on this film as Desplat was on Potter. Tentpole films are made by studio committee these days and, unless you're John Williams, studios usually demand inoffensive wallpaper for the score. None of those "distracting, annoying themes," which ignorant focus groups (in their target demographic of 15-35) would continually remind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Assumptions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 You don't think Hollywood focus groups are a thing? If Emmerich wanted a bold, thematic sequel score from Arnold he was perfectly available. He hired Kloser instead, probably because he's just more comfortable giving the gig to his producing partner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I don't think Emmerich hired Kloser to appear to a certain demographic. Zimmer would have gotten it then. Or Miley Cyrus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 It just hasn't been announced yet that Justin Bieber is recording an end credits song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I got a fieber... And the only prescription is more Bieber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 The melody for Bieber's song is Arnold's End Credits suite from ID4, and will be the sequel's only reference to his themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted February 1, 2016 Author Share Posted February 1, 2016 20 hours ago, crumbs said: You don't think Hollywood focus groups are a thing? If Emmerich wanted a bold, thematic sequel score from Arnold he was perfectly available. He hired Kloser instead, probably because he's just more comfortable giving the gig to his producing partner. His partner. That's where the bias comes from imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I've liked just about all of Roland Emmerich's movies. All the ones I've seen anyway. Stargate and Independence Day are pretty darn good. I even like Godzilla. Day After Tomorrow and 10,000 BC are entertaining in their own way (and the latter serves as an almost-prequel to Stargate). So there is a good chance that I'd like Independence Day 2 as well. Except that I WON'T enjoy it like I should be able to. Because here's another director wasting everybody's time by not making the movie he should in the way that he should. Hire David Arnold already and make a WORTHY sequel to your original film, dagnabbit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 We should create a Kickstarter for Arnold to write his own independent (no pun intended) fan score for the film! He can pay for the orchestra though. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 18 hours ago, MSM said: His partner. That's where the bias comes from imo. Hehehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Richard Penna said: Kloser's Day After Tomorrow has some good parts and I think fits the movie I like the main theme in the opening sequence. Quite infectious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 A new commercial just aired during the Super Bowl Oh, here it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 What a shame they couldn't get Will Smith and David Arnold wasn't even invited to the party. It just feels like a fake sequel to me as a result. leeallen01 and MSM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Kloser replied to a comment about David Arnold on his Facebook: "Yes that was a fantastic score. His main theme will definitely be heard again. Cheers, H" I feel like saying "well if his score was so fantastic, why didn't you morons invite him back?!" I know it'll just get deleted. crumbs and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Oh it's a perfect opportunity for a dubstep remix track in the end credits. leeallen01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Well credit to him for at least acknowledging the comment, even if he's only being diplomatic. At least we know he's not ignoring Arnold's themes (unsurprising, as I recall him mentioning Fox owned the themes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Once the director's made up his mind, the discussion is over. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Until the director rejects the score and composer and struggles to find a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Commander Arnold has been relieved of duties. Ensign Kloser, plot a collision course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I will be pleasantly surprised if Emmerich can pull this off. Say what you want about his filmography, but ID4 is one of the few instances where Emmerich actually handles the mix of global destruction, character development and comedic relief in a surprisingly balanced way. Especially considering how many different story threads he had working concurrently, before converging them for the third act in a fairly organic manner. I think the two main problems with the sequel are: 1. A huge reason the first film works is the build-up/countdown mechanic for the first hour of the film. There's a suspense, mystery and intrigue to the alien dropships silently waiting above so many cities (even though the marketing spoiled their intentions). It gives the film time to breathe as characters ponder what's to come; this mechanic is impossible in the sequel; as soon as they arrive there's only one outcome. 2. Hopefully it's just restrained marketing, but there seems a lack of the first film's warmth and humour. Everything is so dark and gritty, probably for in-universe logic reasons, but it was a key ingredient to the original's formula. Emmerich's also been incapable of portraying realistic characters ever since, and Liam Hemsworth has the screen presence of a rock. I won't even get into the whole CGI matter, because that's just par the course nowadays. Nothing in this film will match the White House, Congress or other explosion scenes (mostly all done practically with miniatures and actual fire in the first film). And nothing Kloser writes will come close to this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, crumbs said: And nothing Kloser writes will come close to this: Kloser probably thinks otherwise. "I can do zat. Ezy." crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 While we're on the subject of HOW FUCKING AWESOME Arnold's score is, can someone kindly explain how not only was he snubbed for the Oscar but he didn't even receive a nomination?! In a year with two separate Best Music categories, no less. Talk about blatant Academy elitist snobbery. I'll cop flack for this, but most of these are Oscar-bait dust-collectors: Best Music, Original Dramatic ScoreThe English Patient: Gabriel Yared (W)Hamlet: Patrick DoyleMichael Collins: Elliot GoldenthalShine: David HirschfelderSleepers: John Williams Best Music, Original Musical or Comedy ScoreEmma: Rachel Portman (W)The First Wives Club: Marc ShaimanThe Hunchback of Notre Dame: Alan Menken, Stephen SchwartzJames and the Giant Peach: Randy NewmanThe Preacher's Wife: Hans Zimmer MSM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Well he won a Grammy. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, Drax said: Well he won a Grammy. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Anyone else reckon this shot looks the most fake? It's meant to be outdoors, but looks very studioish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 24 minutes ago, crumbs said: While we're on the subject of HOW FUCKING AWESOME Arnold's score is, can someone kindly explain how not only was he snubbed for the Oscar but he didn't even receive a nomination?! In a year with two separate Best Music categories, no less. Talk about blatant Academy elitist snobbery. I'll cop flack for this, but most of these are Oscar-bait dust-collectors: It's not really an "Oscar" score though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 36 minutes ago, Drax said: Anyone else reckon this shot looks the most fake? It's meant to be outdoors, but looks very studioish. The first 3 or 4 shots are probably Superbowl trailer-specific and not from the film itself. That's done pretty regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 New official poster: MSM and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Not bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 On 2/8/2016 at 4:11 AM, crumbs said: While we're on the subject of HOW FUCKING AWESOME Arnold's score is, can someone kindly explain how not only was he snubbed for the Oscar but he didn't even receive a nomination?! In a year with two separate Best Music categories, no less. Talk about blatant Academy elitist snobbery. I'll cop flack for this, but most of these are Oscar-bait dust-collectors: Best Music, Original Dramatic ScoreThe English Patient: Gabriel Yared (W)Hamlet: Patrick DoyleMichael Collins: Elliot GoldenthalShine: David HirschfelderSleepers: John Williams Best Music, Original Musical or Comedy ScoreEmma: Rachel Portman (W)The First Wives Club: Marc ShaimanThe Hunchback of Notre Dame: Alan Menken, Stephen SchwartzJames and the Giant Peach: Randy NewmanThe Preacher's Wife: Hans Zimmer Goldenthal should have won that year, no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Why Will Smith Isn't In Independence Day: Resurgence, According To Will Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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