Jay 37,363 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Direct links: http://spidersofmirkwood.thehobbit.com/media/sounds/loop.ogghttp://spidersofmirkwood.thehobbit.com/media/sounds/loop_boss.ogghttp://spidersofmirkwood.thehobbit.com/media/sounds/loop_boss_old.ogghttp://spidersofmirkwood.thehobbit.com/media/sounds/loop_ring.ogghttp://spidersofmirkwood.thehobbit.com/media/sounds/lose.ogghttp://spidersofmirkwood.thehobbit.com/media/sounds/win.ogghttp://spidersofmirkwood.thehobbit.com/media/sounds/_/lose.ogghttp://spidersofmirkwood.thehobbit.com/media/sounds/_/win.ogg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 and are you sure that Wilderland file does not have the film insert?No, I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I dub this cue "Well Done, Master Baggins" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Ha, that's the exact same name I gave it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Great minds think alike!And so do we! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 loop = UNRELEASED "Well Done, Master Baggins"loop_boss = Wilderland, I thinkloop_boss_old = same as loop_bossloop_ring = sound effects?lose = The High Fellswin = House of Durin theme (from Spell of Concealment, I think)_/lose = same as lose_/win = Thrice Welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 FLIES AND SPIDERSOut of this 7:07 cue, only 3:04 of it was used as intended, with the other 3:03 dialed out!That amounts to 6:07. Where's the missing minute?FLIES AND SPIDERS3:11-4:29 (1:18) DIALED OUT, meant to cover Bilbo in ringworld killing spidersI think the music here is slightly longer than that moment in the scene (maybe some shots were cut). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 FLIES AND SPIDERSOut of this 7:07 cue, only 3:04 of it was used as intended, with the other 3:03 dialed out! That amounts to 6:07. Where's the missing minute?Woops, I made a mistake in my post and then never went back and fixed it.Should say: "Out of this 7:07 cue, only 2:53 was used as intended, with the other 4:14 dialed out!"FLIES AND SPIDERS3:11-4:29 (1:18) DIALED OUT, meant to cover Bilbo in ringworld killing spiders I think the music here is slightly longer than that moment in the scene (maybe some shots were cut).It's only 2 seconds longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I can only imagine PJ was thinking'silencing the first part of Shelob the Great worked wonders for that scene in ROTK, so obviously silencing even more spider scenes will make it even better in DOS!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 The spider scene had plenty of music as far as I can remember.Not enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 The spider scene had plenty of music as far as I can remember.Well, your memory is failing you. Shore wrote a 7 minute, continuous cue for it, and less than 3 minutes of the cue was used, in 6 different chunks no longer than 43 seconds each (some as short as 9 seconds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Wrong, none of the music in that track is for the EE. As I've mentioned several times now, the 7 minute continuous piece of music lines up with the theatrical cut of the film. PJ just had the music editors turn down the volume knob for large portions of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I gotta say, we are much more fortunate with Unreleased music then we were last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,363 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Oh I'm getting confused. I was thinking of Mirkwood, which is where they meet to the spiders but is a different track. Since all that choral stuff is similar to the Dead Marshes of TTT, which makes sense since there's a deleted scene with someone falling into a river.No, that's wrong too. Everything in "Mirkwood" also lines up with the current theatrical cut. I also said that earlier.The only EE music I've found so far is House of Beorn, 2:09-4:12. I'd guess that scene was cut relatively late in the process, so it got scored because it was still part of the TC at the time of scoring.Wrong, none of the music in that track is for the EE. As I've mentioned several times now, the 7 minute continuous piece of music lines up with the theatrical cut of the film. PJ just had the music editors turn down the volume knob for large portions of it.But it's still mostly there?No.... like I just said, less than 3 minutes of the 7:07 piece is still there, over 4 minutes was dialed out. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Oh I'm getting confused. I was thinking of Mirkwood, which is where they meet to the spiders but is a different track. Since all that choral stuff is similar to the Dead Marshes of TTT, which makes sense since there's a deleted scene with someone falling into a river.No, that's wrong too. Everything in "Mirkwood" also lines up with the current theatrical cut. I also said that earlier.Thank you for dispelling that, I had been under the impression that was what it might be for as well...Which is actually good news, seeing how some of the DOS EE stuff could be important thematically (Thrain etc.), we could get new Shore music for the EE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I gotta say, we are much more fortunate with Unreleased music then we were last year.Oh yea, it's a completely different scenario. With AUJ we have 50+ minutes of music you could hear in the film that wasn't on either OST version. With DOS, there's a few small bibs and bobs here and there that weren't on the OST, but everything really important is there, and more. I mean, there is more music on the OST that isn't in the film, than there is music in the film that isn't on the OST. That's always fun.Which is actually good news, seeing how some of the DOS EE stuff could be important thematically (Thrain etc.), we could get new Shore music for the EE!I am confident that the DOS EE will have new Shore music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Plus the Hobbit website has some ACTUAL Movie-based games, instead of what we had with AUJ (mostly make yourself a Dwarf, and strategy games with "original" music) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I'm waiting for your findings on the rest of the material Jason, but if they do add, say, 25 minutes back in for the EE, then they will surely have to get Shore to write new music for the EE. Especially given there's no music on the soundtrack for the Thrain flashbacks, the other Beorn bits, or probable Mirkwood additions, like Bombur falling into the river. Otherwise we could have a tracking disaster (unless there's a lot of unheard stuff they've already recorded). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Getting this loop ogg is really awesome! Expanded chronological edits here we come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Heh, already pretty much finished mine! (Just waiting for you to verify MedigoScan's "guide"!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I'm waiting for your findings on the rest of the material Jason, but if they do add, say, 25 minutes back in for the EE, then they will surely have to get Shore to write new music for the EE. Especially given there's no music on the soundtrack for the Thrain flashbacks, the other Beorn bits, or probable Mirkwood additions, like Bombur falling into the river. Otherwise we could have a tracking disaster (unless there's a lot of unheard stuff they've already recorded).I've said it before and I'll say it again. I am confident the DOS EE will contain new Shore music There is also unreleased music in the main menu of this game (I think that's an unreleased bit from the Bree prologue): http://barrelescape.thehobbit.com/, though I don't know how to get the music (it's a Unity3D game and I managed to download it but not extract the files in it with the software you're supposed to use) LeBlanc, could you confirm this is indeed music from the Bree prologue?Woah, I didn't even see this part of your post before! I'll check out that page as soon as I can (probably not until later tonight) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Well, it should at least be possible to record that music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Well, it should at least be possible to record that music.Obviously, but I'd rather extract the music from the game since it might contain more unreleased music (the in-game music is Barrels Out Of Bond, but maybe when you complete the game, some other music is used).Hence the "at least"but good point all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 "Dialed out" means that the music is muted. It doesn't mean anything about dialogue or sound effects, it refers to the music only. Picture someone holding a volume knob that affects only the music. Any music we talk about as "dialed out" is when they turned that knob all the way to the left and mute the music, and the music we refer to as "used" is them turning the knob back to the right. If we talk about music being "deleted", that usually means the sequence that went along with the music was removed from the film. Hope that clears things up for you.As for the Mirkwood track, 1:18-4:44 covers a continuous chunk of movie, from Gandalf telling them not to take his horse, his conversation with Bilbo about finding his courage, Gandalf's Departure, the company's trek down the elven road, and them getting lost, fading out as Bilbo finds the webs. The music from 4:44-end of the track then lines up with what happens next - Bilbo flicking the webs, the hallucinations including his backward feet and vision of himself, ending when they stop and find Bofur's tobacco pouch. Just a few moments later, the first cue in "Flies and Spiders" starts.So yea, the music on the OST track is for scenes still in the film, not the Bombur in the river EE sequence. Sorry! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I could have sworn there was some kind of sound during the 'Bilbo seeing himself' scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 There is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 There is also unreleased music in the main menu of this game (I think that's an unreleased bit from the Bree prologue): http://barrelescape.thehobbit.com/, though I don't know how to get the music (it's a Unity3D game and I managed to download it but not extract the files in it with the software you're supposed to use)LeBlanc, could you confirm this is indeed music from the Bree prologue?It is, it starts right after Thorin says "This is no chance meeting." I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I think it could be that music yes, but I am not positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I compared it with the CAM audio, and it sounded like the same cue, though it was hard to tell with the "awful" audio quality.Here it is:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od53T7sWQXAI believe the first menu for the Dol Guldur part for Google Middle-earth has a longer version of the cue (No Chance-Meeting)http://middle-earth.thehobbit.com/dol-guldur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 OK, I have gone through basically the second act of the film now, and there is less out of chrono order on the OST as I thought in this part. I don't have time to post details now, but the chrono order of the OST up through "In The Shadow of the Mountain" is extremely straight forward. You only have to swap tracks 11 and 12 on disc 1, and split Durin's Folk at 2:24 and swap the pieces. In other words, the chrono order of the first 2/3 or so of the OST is:Disc 1, tracks 1-10Disc 1, track 12 The High FellsDisc 1, track 11 Bard, a Man of Lake-townDisc 1, track 13 The Nature of EvilDisc 1, track 14 Protector of the Common FolkDisc 2, track 1 Thrice WelcomeDisc 2, track 2 Girion, Lord of DaleDisc 2, track 3 [2:44-end] (my title: Captured)Disc 2, track 3 [0:00-2:44] (my title: We Are The Dwarves of Erebor)Disc 2, track 4 In The Shadow of the MountainAfter this point, things start getting more complicated with tracks containing multiple cues that need to be split out and re-ordered in between cues inside other tracks. Hopefully I can post all that soon! (But in all likelihood it will not be until this weekend) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Interview with Conrad Pope (I think it starts 24 minutes in) Wonderful interview. Conrad is one of the most no-nonsense, down-to-earth, honest professionals in the field. It's great to hear and understand "how it's done". It really sheds light on the real job of film scoring. Smeltington and Dixon Hill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Great, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Disc 2, track 3 [2:44-end] (my title: Captured)Thnat won't do! You already used that title in AUJ SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Okay, I noticed some unreleased music in a DOS documentary, so I ripped it, the audio quality has some artifacts, but its decent, could someone identify the music in this?https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9Qm5uSlF4NkdrZ2c/edit?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 What documentary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Interview with Conrad Pope (I think it starts 24 minutes in) Wonderful interview. Conrad is one of the most no-nonsense, down-to-earth, honest professionals in the field. It's great to hear and understand "how it's done". It really sheds light on the real job of film scoring.Fantastic interview! Really offers an in-depth insider's look into the film music scene. And its great to hear it from so seasoned a professional as Conrad Pope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Okay, I noticed some unreleased music in a DOS documentary, so I ripped it, the audio quality has some artifacts, but its decent, could someone identify the music in this?https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9Qm5uSlF4NkdrZ2c/edit?usp=sharingthere is a lot of LOTR music in there tooI do recognize some parts as stuff from the Unreleased Forest River intro, and other comes straight from the first trailer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 That's what I noticed too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 I think there is some unreleased/microedited Wilderland in there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Just a little idea of how the music (in terms of themes/setpieces) could have sounded if Azanulbizar and Thrain were the prologue:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9LTJVbm5tbWFJMHM/edit?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 I think the music for seeing the Butterflies in Flies and Spiders is slightly shortened in the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 It is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 I think its a mistake, though I can kind of see what they were going for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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