Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I like the way Shore tortures the Gandalf theme in "A Spell of Concealment". Btw what do you guys think about the mix ... I think it's way better than AUJ, I didn't really appreciate the dry sound of Abbey Road.Better than UAJ, still not as impressive as ROTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Is it just me or did they remove the score from th FYC site lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Its gone....Better than UAJ,Unexpected An Journey?Is that like UJAM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Well luckily I already have the page loaded! They can't take it from me if I keep it open! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick 0 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Is it just me or did they remove the score from th FYC site lol?Here's my Youtube playlist for anyone who missed it.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgvHD51gG4oKcp1KdX9h5to9xAF2xSxHW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I'm glad I grabbed the whole thing in time... 320 kbps too lol. I guess they realised it wasn't a smart move having the whole score in good quality up even before release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Better than UAJ,Unexpected An Journey?Is that like UJAM?Don't play smartarse. You know what I mean. 2.52 in the cue Smaug = awesome. What instrument is that again? I can't name it.Flutes, clarinets and oboes in that order, trading off figures based around fingered tremolos ('shakes') between E and G, followed by a scalic descent of E-D-C#-B. All in different octaves. Lewya and Dixon Hill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Christmas came early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Ah, the Moon Runes motive is back! Lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Seems to me that there's some Misty Mountain's theme in The Forest River. I don't have a time stamp though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 The end of Kingsfoil... that made me smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 See 4:20 of Give Up The Halfling from FOTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 It plays during Arwen's comforting of Frodo right after the Nazgul chase to the ford. "What grace has given me...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Diminishment of the Elves.Arwen Revealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Diminishment of the Elves.Way off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Well, Arwen Revealed is a theme in itself. This instance of music, and its appearance in FOTR, is derived from it (same opening gesture), but then goes in another direction, and can probably stand on its own as a general "healing" type of motif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 The music from 'The Hunters' recalling Legolas' battle with the Mumakil is a nice touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 29, 2013 Author Share Posted November 29, 2013 I should stop reading this thread before hearing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barnald 365 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 The music from 'The Hunters' recalling Legolas' battle with the Mumakil is a nice touch.Time stamp?About 4:14 onwards. Seems to intertwine with Tauriel's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Seeing as Arwen is almost definitely not going to be in the film, it seems a few themes are being applied in the Hobbit to the scenario in which they occurred in LOTR (less specific to the characters named in Doug's book).Gondor Reborn for a union between racesNazgul Theme for an Orc tied to mordor (possibly more links to be confirmed)Arwen Revealed for a healing scene (unconfirmed)It'll probably become a "Servents of Sauron" theme. That fits Ringwraiths and Orcs I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barnald 365 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 The music from 'The Hunters' recalling Legolas' battle with the Mumakil is a nice touch.Time stamp?About 4:14 onwards. Seems to intertwine with Tauriel's theme.Now that is impressive! I do recognise some of it from ROTK, so I think you're right. I like the way they're handling the music from LOTR and themes generally so far. Instead of quoting the fellowship theme, a moment with Legolas in LOTR is used that wasn't really a theme sort of becomes one.Exactly. It's a more intelligent way of recalling Legolas' heroics from LOTR without resorting to the Fellowship theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 You're kidding me:?!?I decide to neglect this site for half the day because it's full of classes and the entire f**king score comes out!!!Thank God someone put it up on youtube (wonder how long that'll last). I'll contribute to the discussion after I've tackled this beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Edit: Nvm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Seeing as Arwen is almost definitely not going to be in the film, it seems a few themes are being applied in the Hobbit to the scenario in which they occurred in LOTR (less specific to the characters named in Doug's book).Gondor Reborn for a union between racesNazgul Theme for an Orc tied to mordor (possibly more links to be confirmed)Arwen Revealed for a healing scene (unconfirmed)It'll probably become a "Servents of Sauron" theme. That fits Ringwraiths and Orcs I guess. Explaining it's quotation in the FOTR Prologue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Seeing as Arwen is almost definitely not going to be in the film, it seems a few themes are being applied in the Hobbit to the scenario in which they occurred in LOTR (less specific to the characters named in Doug's book).Gondor Reborn for a union between racesNazgul Theme for an Orc tied to mordor (possibly more links to be confirmed)Arwen Revealed for a healing scene (unconfirmed)It'll probably become a "Servents of Sauron" theme. That fits Ringwraiths and Orcs I guess. Explaining it's quotation in the FOTR Prologue.It's always been a second age theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,008 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 The Forest River is a strange thing for Howard Shore to write - it's almost swashbuckling and has those more glossy Hollywood orchestrations.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Very refreshing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Yes, what a strange thing for Shore to write. For Shore... to write. (insert Conrad Pope emoticon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,008 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I think this is exactly what publicist was asking for. To an extent.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 29, 2013 Author Share Posted November 29, 2013 The Forest River is a strange thing for Howard Shore to write - it's almost swashbuckling and has those more glossy Hollywood orchestrations.KarolBlame the Pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I don't know, it's not really that far removed from some of the stuff in ROTK. Just a little more dense and florid, as in his Aviator/Hugo style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,008 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 As far as I remember Shore did write some music for this scene a year ago so he had a long time to contemplate things.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I think it's really clear that having orchestration (read: copyist) duties taken off his shoulders has let the music truly shine brighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 29, 2013 Author Share Posted November 29, 2013 You know this? How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I have heard it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick 0 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I'm curious about the degree of Pope's involvement. If he worked on the bigger part of the orchestration, he really did a great job - it sounds very coherent (even the wild flutes fit perfectly ). Or was he just engaged as Shore's delegate during the recording sessions to struggle with PJ's mad decisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 It sounds very much like a Howard Shore score to me. I would never have guessed there was a change if I had not none in advance. The NZSO sound fantastic also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I'm curious about the degree of Pope's involvement. If he worked on the bigger part of the orchestration, he really did a great job - it sounds very coherent (even the wild flutes fit perfectly ). Or was he just engaged as Shore's delegate during the recording sessions to struggle with PJ's mad decisions?Err, well... you'll find there's quite a bit of discussion about that around these parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick 0 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I'm curious about the degree of Pope's involvement. If he worked on the bigger part of the orchestration, he really did a great job - it sounds very coherent (even the wild flutes fit perfectly ). Or was he just engaged as Shore's delegate during the recording sessions to struggle with PJ's mad decisions?Err, well... you'll find there's quite a bit of discussion about that around these parts. Hm, I know. I hope someday someone will enlighten us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,008 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Doug Adams tried, 5056464 times.In short? Didn't work. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Precisely. Logic (as well as The Horse) dictates that Pope's contributions were equivalent to what they are on Williams' scores. Pope has talked about that being the case with composers who provide complete sketches, and we know that Shore in all likelihood provides complete sketches. So, there you have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick 0 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Maybe Pope talks about it someday, he can be very outspoken ... hope dies last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,008 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 So is Conrad Pope the new Angela Morley then? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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