#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Performance, recording and orchestration wise I really can't tell a huge amount of difference between this score and the previous four.It's Howard Shore in Tolkien's world trough and through. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Yeah, all the statements of Smaug's theme is really amazing in the last part of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Performance, recording and orchestration wise I really can't tell a huge amount of difference between this score and the previous four.It's Howard Shore in Tolkien's world trough and through.I don't know but i hear something different.I think it's the performance (not better nor worse, just feels different), but i can't point it out clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Performance, recording and orchestration wise I really can't tell a huge amount of difference between this score and the previous four.It's Howard Shore in Tolkien's world trough and through.I don't know but i hear something different.I think it's the performance (not better nor worse, just feels different), but i can't point it out clearly.It's probably just the orchestra. You're probably just used to the LPO when it comes to Middle-Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Is there a lot of spectacular music towards to the end of the score to look forwards to?The last half hour is bloody brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Yeah, all the statements of Smaug's theme is really amazing in the last part of the score.The dirge- like choir statements of Smaug's theme at the end of "My Armour Is Iron", with the short interlude of Thorin's theme, are spine-tingling. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Yeah, that choral statement gave me the creeps, sounds like it came straight from a gothic horror flick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Also, the Woodland Realm variations in Beyond The Forest remind me of Lawrence Of Arabia, with the augmented (?) intervals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Seems to me that there's some Misty Mountain's theme in The Forest River. I don't have a time stamp though. Starts at 3:29. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 So it is!Any more ruminations on Beorn's theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Seems to me that there's some Misty Mountain's theme in The Forest River. I don't have a time stamp though. Starts at 3:29.That's Thorins theme.Yes it's what I initially thought was the Misty Mountains theme but I corrected myself later in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Seems to me that there's some Misty Mountain's theme in The Forest River. I don't have a time stamp though. Starts at 3:29.That's Thorins theme.WHY ARE THEY SO CLOSELY RELATED IN STRUCTURE?Lazy bum Shore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Shore didn't write the Misty Mountains theme... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Right, so the question is...who wrote what first?I would imagine the song came first since it had to be sung on stage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 TheOneRing.net @theoneringnet 1mIts press screening day and all I can think about is a great, big, vile, magnificent, tremendous, talkative dragon. - @MrLDCWait, so the press see the film before the premier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 TheOneRing.net @theoneringnet 1mIts press screening day and all I can think about is a great, big, vile, magnificent, tremendous, talkative dragon. - @MrLDCWait, so the press see the film before the premier? Of course. That's what a press screening is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I didn't know they happened beforehand! I thought you had the premier and then all that stuff happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,348 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I didn't know they happened beforehand! I thought you had the premier and then all that stuff happened. Why would the Press have a special screening AFTER the general public has already seen it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 On 11/30/2013 at 5:38 PM, SafeUnderHill said: On 11/30/2013 at 5:04 PM, Jason LeBlanc said: Shore didn't write the Misty Mountains theme... He used it in his score though and must have written some themes to fit alongside it. On 11/30/2013 at 5:10 PM, BloodBoal said: The song was written more than a year before the film's release, so clearly, it was written first. Will we be getting a BB review thread for DOS when you listen to the score? Most likely, yes. On 11/30/2013 at 6:38 PM, SafeUnderHill said: On 11/30/2013 at 6:36 PM, Bilbo Skywalker said: I didn't know they happened beforehand! I thought you had the premier and then all that stuff happened. My thoughts too. I thought the premiere is well the first public showing. Will we be hearing any feedback by tomorrow then?! No review, at least. There's an embargo on the press after the screening, which means they don't have the rights to release a review right after having seen the film. They can only release it a few days before the official public release. Even though generally, someone always manages to share a few thoughts on the Internet after having seen the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 When is the premiere?(I assumed the Premiere was December 10th/11th/12th/13th.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 When is the premiere?(I assumed the Premiere was December 10th/11th/12th/13th.)World Premiere is on Monday the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Seems to me that there's some Misty Mountain's theme in The Forest River. I don't have a time stamp though. Starts at 3:29.That's Thorins theme.WHY ARE THEY SO CLOSELY RELATED IN STRUCTURE?Well, they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 They share the same first two notes, that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Even though generally, someone always manages to share a few thoughts on the Internet after having seen the film.Look out for #TheDesolationOfSmaug on Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barnald 365 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Well at least this means Jackson won't be finishing the film hours before the world premiere again. I wonder when it was finished? Maybe we'll get a vlog this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 What's the theme heard from 0:42 to 0:52 in The Forest River? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 AUJ is more a fantasy score, DOS is less that, and more grim. The comparison to the tonal shift between FotR and TTT is actually not that far off. With the difference that DoS still feels more, well, intimate that LotR. A lot of character themes.What's the theme heard from 0:42 to 0:52 in The Forest River?I was wondering about this as well. Sounds too specific to be random heroic material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 AUJ is more a fantasy score, DOS is less that, and more grim. The comparison to the tonal shift between FotR and TTT is actually not that far off. With the difference that DoS still feels more, well, intimate that LotR. A lot of character themes.Shore tended to define places and actions in LOTR, it's characters this time it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 TTT had wormtongue's motif though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 TTT had wormtongue's motif though There were exceptions of course but you tended to few character specific themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 What's the theme heard from 0:42 to 0:52 in The Forest River?I was wondering about this as well. Sounds too specific to be random heroic material.I just remembered where I'd heard it before. @ 0:25-35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 OK I'm after my third full listen. It's among the best of 2013, clearly. It's interesting how little old material gets carried over from the old trilogy, it's almost all The Hobbit stuff. And it's all for the best. That's what I wanted in the first place - an expansion of Middle Earth.What is Arwen theme doing in this score, by the way? That bit when she first appears in FOTR and then at the end of ROTK.Karol Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,348 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 What is Arwen theme doing in this score, by the way? That bit when she first appears in FOTR and then at the end of ROTK.KarolI would assume its become a "Grace of the Elves/Elven Women" theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 What is Arwen theme doing in this score, by the way? That bit when she first appears in FOTR and then at the end of ROTK.KarolI would assume its become a "Grace of the Elves/Elven Women" themeIt's the elvish pledge that is quoted, not her theme itself, no?What's the theme heard from 0:42 to 0:52 in The Forest River?I was wondering about this as well. Sounds too specific to be random heroic material.I just remembered where I'd heard it before. @ 0:25-35Huh? That's not the same ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 What's the theme heard from 0:42 to 0:52 in The Forest River?I don't think that's a theme, just an action riff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 What's the theme heard from 0:42 to 0:52 in The Forest River?I was wondering about this as well. Sounds too specific to be random heroic material.I just remembered where I'd heard it before. @ 0:25-35Huh? That's not the same ...?It's the same exchange between two chords - Bbm to C. Only major difference is that one is in 3/4 and the other's in 4/4.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKSiMhKaRRQ&feature=youtube_gdata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 What's the theme heard from 0:42 to 0:52 in The Forest River? I was wondering about this as well. Sounds too specific to be random heroic material. I just remembered where I'd heard it before. @ 0:25-35That doesn't sound remotely similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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