Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 56 minutes ago, Fal said: You wonder who the CG animator was, what his name is and if he really wanted to change these things in his heart, or what lies and threats led him to leave his home. I read yesterday this on wookieepedia http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Star_Wars_Trilogy_Special_Edition Quote "You know, I was fine with doing it, I didn't feel at all that we were hurting anything. My feeling always was that the original version was always gonna be there, and I don't know if that's necessarily happened. George hasn't put the effort into doing an HD, super good HD version of the original versions and I don't know if that will ever happen. But at the time my feeling was that we could finally make these shots better, you know. He went through and picked a bunch of shots, and I picked a bunch of shots and we redid them so they just looked a lot better. I was fine with it, and I think it's gone overboard, I think it's been done too many times and too many shots, but I just feel as long as the original version is always there that it's fine to be able to work on it later on, and sort of like 'so what', you know?" ―Dennis Muren[src] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 13 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Lucas made drunkards out of us all! Yes but now I'm sober since 23 days. Tomorrow, I will burn all my old SW DVDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 8 hours ago, mstrox said: He's piloting one of the TIE fighters. What is Yoda wearing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 http://furiousfanboys.com/2017/02/latest-unaltered-original-trilogy-rumor-possibly-debunked/ Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 2 gud 2 b tru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I've always suspected that George kept final cut rights when he sold to Disney (I doubt it was a sticking point for the Mouse) and this seems to confirm it. crumbs and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 There's absolutely no chance in hell I'd buy another re-release of these movies now anyway. It's gotten beyond daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 12 hours ago, Rose Dawson said: What is Yoda wearing? His Nike workout clothes. It, Just Do. mstrox and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, Quintus said: There's absolutely no chance in hell I'd buy another re-release of these movies no anyway. It's gotten beyond daft. Therell be a big box set once Disney has distribution rights to the 5 films and there'll probably be some cool bonus stuff on it but at this point it's going to have to be cool stuff to make me buy another version. I absolutely would have bought the theatrical cuts but I won't lose any sleep over them. For the amount I watch them (which was once each) the Laserdisc DVDs were enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I guess this means the bootleg industry of fan restorations will continue to be alive and thriving. Thanks, George! Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Let's be honest, it would have been a discussion at the time and George would have refused to give up his final cut rights to Disney. Such an agreement would've allowed Disney the rights to make any change they so desired to George's films. No director would ever agree to that. He's probably left it up his sleeve as a $300m option down the line, should Disney get really desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 His last little hold over the fans he despises so much, his final little victory. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 He's probably the one leaking these fake stories! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Mr. Breathmask said: I guess this means the bootleg industry of fan restorations will continue to be alive and thriving. Thanks, George! Yeah, the despecialized versions are so great, especially once they all got isolated score tracks. The newer Silver Screen edition of the first one is also aces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Silver Screen edition? Don't know it... EDIT: OK, I know it now. Currently downl... George Lucas, just look at me : RE-EDIT: The despecialized version is superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Amazon link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Amazon link! Amazon? HA HA HA HA HA HA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Making Star Wars has been wrong occasionally in the past, but I'm still really surprised to see these tweets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, Will said: Making Star Wars has been wrong occasionally in the past, but I'm still really surprised to see these tweets. Current thinking is limited theatrical release 4K version of the 2011 cuts are on their way Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Some interesting overview about the current situation: http://moviemezzanine.com/the-fans-who-saved-star-wars/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 I'd rather see reissues of the prequels with new transfers for TPM and AOTC, as well as all the original special features from the DVD releases and new special features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, Rose Dawson said: I'd rather see reissues of the prequels with new transfers for TPM and AOTC, as well as all the original special features from the DVD releases and new special features. Don't hold your breath. TPM will only ever exist at whatever resolution its visual effects were rendered at (probably 1080p), and AOTC/ROTS were shot on prototype digital cameras at 1080p. They will never look any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Not true. TPM's Blu-ray transfer was loaded with DNR. AOTC was given a teal tint. ROTS looks great. The others need to be corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 33 minutes ago, Rose Dawson said: Not true. TPM's Blu-ray transfer was loaded with DNR. AOTC was given a teal tint. ROTS looks great. The others need to be corrected. Can't argue with the DNR on TPM, that was certainly a disgrace. The pre-DNR version would look sharper. But the movies themselves can never exist at a higher resolution, unlike the original trilogy (where all the original elements exist on film). Arguably they could render every visual effects shot from scratch at higher resolutions, but the live-action and miniature photography elements all exist at 1080p for AOTC/ROTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 I think II and III look fine in terms of resolution. One ridiculous review years ago recommended getting the DVD versions which hide "imperfections" revealed by the BD versions. What? Sith looks fantastic on BD and is easily the strongest transfer of the six films. You're viewing it at its native resolution (not that there's anything wrong with that) and there's no tinkering. It's exactly the way it should be. The teal tint on AOTC really annoys me. The DVD version looks better. The OT, on the other hand, is a disaster. They're clearly dated masters and the contrast and colors are all screwed up. But, I have no desire to watch those anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 http://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/022417-0100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 So are they also releasing the Prequels? Will be the same transfers only without the Fox logo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 50 minutes ago, Rose Dawson said: One ridiculous review years ago recommended getting the DVD versions which hide "imperfections" revealed by the BD versions. What? Sith looks fantastic on BD and is easily the strongest transfer of the six films. That reviewer isn't wrong per se. When I first saw ROTS on blu-ray, a certain visual bug became apparent that was hidden on the DVD, which was junk blue screen outlines on actors. Sometimes even some blueness/greenness would be illuminating the actors very subtly, but it's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 ROTS is a very ugly looking film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Even the OT has some visual bugs that'd annoy photography geeks, like when you see a close-up of a character and the stars behind them are also in perfect focus, when realistically the starry background should be completely out-of-focus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 No one cares about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Photographically, it makes no sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Revenge of the Sith is a perfect mix of real sets and digital backlot (which was dodgier in Clones, but perfected by Sith) that come together to create a really wild cinematic depiction of Lucas' vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,689 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Ugh. So much for a new hope. Star Wars: Disney Won't Release Original Cuts Well this is disappointing. Without Harmy all hope would be lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 They must have a lot of contempt for the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 Disney Will Never Alter or Restore Original Star Wars Trilogy http://movieweb.com/star-wars-classic-trilogy-disney-wont-alter-restore/ why did i think that this year would be the one? There were reports about it.. Oh well, i'm officially giving up on this!! Thank god for 35mm prints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,689 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 First we hear there may not be another Abramsverse Star Trek movie, now word comes that we won't be getting the unaltered versions of Star Wars OT any time soon. Oh well, I guess we have to take the good with the bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I hate to play Devil's advocate, but...apart from the whole "Han shot first" debacle, are the SEs really that bad? Of course, there is an archival aspect to the argument, but the SEs are meant to be the definitive versions of the films. What I don't understand is why Lucas /Disney is being so touchy about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 11 minutes ago, Richard said: I hate to play Devil's advocate, but...apart from the whole "Han shot first" debacle, are the SEs really that bad? Of course, there is an archival aspect to the argument, but the SEs are meant to be the definitive versions of the films. What I don't understand is why Lucas /Disney is being so touchy about it. - outdated CGI for almost everything they replaced - unnecessarily added scenes that are redundant and interfere with pacing - Vader's "NOOOOO!" - scenes everywhere slightly reframed or cropped, not to mention Lucas' annoying habit of that slow zoom in - dialogue changes here and there - Emperor replaced in ESB. Before it was creepy, now it's cheesy - new Ewok eyes are garish - Jedi Rocks (are they actually singing about Jedi?) - Victory Celebration sucks and the whole scene was re-edited for some reason - yuck! - etc. Why does everything else get an "archival" release that's accurate to the original theatrical exhibition but SW is taboo? Nick1Ø66 and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,689 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 11 minutes ago, Richard said: I hate to play Devil's advocate, but...apart from the whole "Han shot first" debacle, are the SEs really that bad? Of course, there is an archival aspect to the argument, but the SEs are meant to be the definitive versions of the films. What I don't understand is why Lucas /Disney is being so touchy about it. Yes, they're awful. Aside from the terrible 90's CGI which looked bad even then and sticks out like sore thumb (and didn't improve much even in the 2011 versions), the colours (pink lightsabres?) and sound mix is all off. Then there's the editing problems, including Vader's "Alert my Star Destroyer" line which ruins the pacing at the end of Empire. And Jabba in ANH is not only wrong for that film, he looks awful, in both the 97 and 2011 versions. EDIT: And everything Godzilla mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Alright, alright, guys, I'll give you both all that, but at the end of the day...they're all we've got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 48 minutes ago, Richard said: Alright, alright, guys, I'll give you both all that, but at the end of the day...they're all we've got. Sure but that attitude is as defeatist as this woman telling me "That's life" when we were arguing about Sydney's artificially inflated house prices, leading to chronic unaffordability when it was never this way only a decade ago. Bottom line, we shouldn't passively settle for low quality or, in my analogy, unnecessary expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Agreed, but it's not "life", its just a movie (or three). It's not life or death, it's just pieces of - ultimately inconsequential - entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 You know what I mean. You don't always get what you want, then some crusty old jaded type who's lost all hope in the world because their best days are behind them says to you "man up, boy, that's life!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I don't really care at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Yep. The despecialized versions of the original trilogy continue to be improved and already have the one special feature that Disney would never include in a BR release anyway: isolated score tracks Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,689 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Richard said: Alright, alright, guys, I'll give you both all that, but at the end of the day...they're all we've got. Not true. Harmys Despecialised Editions are outstanding...they're the only versions I'll watch. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 In that case, I'll give them a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 4 hours ago, Nick1066 said: Not true. Harmys Despecialised Editions are outstanding...they're the only versions I'll watch. well, scans of 35mm prints are even better for me, since they aren't custom made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,689 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Some of the 35mm print scans are great. But in terms of replicating what an proper BD release of the OT would look like, Harmy is the way to go. Though yeah, both have their place, it depends on what kind of experience you're looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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