filmmusic 1,829 Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 At least it'll be less of a dilemma - like it would be now if we had the originals on DVD already.I'm not sure what you meant, but we do have the original unaltered films on DVD. or is this what you meant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 We do, but not in DVD quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 well, yes, they are in those non-anamorphic dvds.At least they're watchable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Well, it's technically DVD quality (4:3 is as valid of format as 16:9), but yes, it's more or less a laserdisc master pressed to DVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Technically yes, but it's about the least type of DVD quality there is.Thank you George! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 I still don't understand how there wasn't the money to restore them, as Lucas said.There are DOZENS of old films that have been restored in Bluray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Oh, it was and is absolutely possible to restore the original unaltered cuts, George has just chosen not to allow it, to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 If and I do stretch the if, Disney actually does release these on Blu-Ray I too would buy them. I still need to get the current set on Blu-Ray and hopefully can for my birthday.If Disney does do this chances are they may not release them until sometime next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 That's what really turned me away from Star Wars. The bullshit Lucas expects us to believe.I don't understand that the man who set up industry standards has so little interest in offering his own films in the best quality there is. And then lies about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 If and I do stretch the if, Disney actually does release these on Blu-Ray I too would buy them. I still need to get the current set on Blu-Ray and hopefully can for my birthday.If Disney does do this chances are they may not release them until sometime next year.Disney is not involved in this Trent, they don't own the original trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycket 36 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 They have control of everything but Star Wars. For that, they'd have to work out a deal with Fox, but that realistically shouldn't be too big of a problem. I'd be shocked not to have this released in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 This reminds me to pick up Hudsucker on Blu. No subtitle Episode 4 A New Hope, I absolutely don't care either way. I just want a cleaned up HD transfer of the original trilogy without any of the 1997 annoyances. I've never bought the OT in any form, and since 97 I've seen them exactly once, in a dubbed German 4:3 TV broadcast. I've been itching to see them again for years, so I'd pick this up in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 As I mentioned on page 1 and several others have since, Fox will be the one to do this.Until you hear it from their mouths, take it as a rumor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 There's some stuff from the Special Edition for Star Wars (ANH) that I like ...IE: additional CG for when the Falcon escapes Mos Isley, additional CG effects during the Battle Of Yavin but I do agree that Han Shot first should have been restored and the whole Jabba sequence is just...dumb. OneBuckFilms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 There's some stuff from the Special Edition for Star Wars (ANH) that I like ...IE: additional CG for when the Falcon escapes Mos Isley, additional CG effects during the Battle Of Yavin but I do agree that Han Shot first should have been restored and the whole Jabba sequence is just...dumb.but we were told those effects were state of the art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 In terms of the changes in and of themselves, I agree with Trent.The films do need to be out there as originally released, simply because of their importance to cinema, and place they played in film history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Didn't the Library Of Congress apparently have the original print of Star Wars? But then I recall reading somewhere that Lucas had those all destroyed and they had the 1997 Special Edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Star Wars is considered a National treasure by the National Film Registry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Library of Congress has the 1997 version.The original theatrical edition does not exist as a singe master at Lucasfilm, but all the elements still exist from what I read.I also read somewhere that very few original prints survive.It would be quite the restoration project to reconstruct the theatrical master print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycket 36 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Library of Congress has the 1997 version.The original theatrical edition does not exist as a singe master at Lucasfilm, but all the elements still exist from what I read.I also read somewhere that very few original prints survive.It would be quite the restoration project to reconstruct the theatrical master print.Considering that Lucasfilm can just basically print money, there should be nothing stopping this from happening. If Lawrence of Arabia can get a brillant 4K restoration, there's no reason that the original three films get the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Other then Lucas not wanting to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted July 23, 2013 Author Share Posted July 23, 2013 Other then Lucas not wanting to do it.but if he didn't want the original versions to come out at all, why those non-anamorphic dvds were released? ok, even if they were bad...what was he thinking?"ok, i don't want you to get my original films in HD, but here's a bad version of them"?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Yes basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Didn't they already do this? What was wrong with those DVDs? I think I still have the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 The DVDs were non-anamorphic transfers of the early 90s laserdisc master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 At this point, I'd rather get the first Special Edition on Blu-ray than these increasingly changed versions. All this shit from The Phantom Menace is all over Return of the Jedi now and even the fucking Ewoks are digital. I still don't believe that the changes ruin the movies, but they don't enhance them at all and most of them are just awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 The DVDs were non-anamorphic transfers of the early 90s laserdisc master.Most people don't seem to understand what this means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 Non-Anamorphic DVD on a 16:9 display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Not showing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 hmmm... yes.I edited the post and kept only the photo that shows to give an idea.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 If Lucas had made Star Wars (ANH) today instead of back in the 70's using the CG technology would anyone really bitch and complain about the changes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 If he was making it now, there wouldn't be anything to change yet, would there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 people would still complain, if the version they saw in the cinema's was not made available in the same quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 If Lucas had made Star Wars (ANH) today instead of back in the 70's using the CG technology would anyone really bitch and complain about the changes?If they would be made today I think they would be bad films, because they would be dragged by the general climate that exists among sci-fi, and the creators would worry more about loading their film with CGI, than the story and the characters.and yes. Probably when they would be released in Blu-ray, there would be still changes..I understand though that many people -who probably saw the special eiditons first - don't mind at all.As I, who saw the Blu-ray of THX1138 didn't mind at all, since i hadn't seen the original. (and when i saw scenes of it on youtube, he certainly changed it completely too)But since I grew up with the original Star Wars trilogy and it is an important part of my childhood, and holds and important percentage of the reason why I love films and film music, I would certainly love to have them and any change on them feels like a sacrilege to me..(as with other movies that i have grown up with and had the same fate) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 people would still complain, if the version they saw in the cinema's was not made available in the same quality. Yes. This is the whole issue. The fact that some parts of the movie were changed wouldn't be nearly as bad if the original versions were available in the same quality as the changed films. I thought this point had been made pretty clear by fans around the world for the past sixteen years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Lucas' devotees are dull of apprehension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 As I, who saw the Blu-ray of THX1138 didn't mind at all, since i hadn't seen the original. (and when i saw scenes of it on youtube, he certainly changed it completely too)He sure did change it. Surely, you realize that THX-1138, as it is now, couldn't be made in 1971? Replacing sets and creatures (which were perfectly fine, BTW) with technology not related to the time the films were made in is something that will always bother me.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 That's what bothers me so much about the SE. CGI in a bunch of films that look unmistakably like they are made in the 70's and 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 As I, who saw the Blu-ray of THX1138 didn't mind at all, since i hadn't seen the original. (and when i saw scenes of it on youtube, he certainly changed it completely too)He sure did change it. Surely, you realize that THX-1138, as it is now, couldn't be made in 1971?Surely I realize.But I don't understand why you ask this.I mean, what's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 If Lucas had made Star Wars (ANH) today instead of back in the 70's using the CG technology would anyone really bitch and complain about the changes?If they would be made today I think they would be bad films, because they would be dragged by the general climate that exists among sci-fi, and the creators would worry more about loading their film with CGI, than the story and the characters.Funny, you just described the prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 To realize it means the effects have a serious chance of sticking out (as they do in the OT) which could lead to an unbalanced viewing experience. To me, CGI simply has no place in a film made in 1971. It would be less of a problem if Lucas respected the experience of the fans of the first hour and made the original version available.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 To realize it means the effects have a serious chance of sticking out (as they do in the OT) which could lead to an unbalanced viewing experience. To me, CGI simply has no place in a film made in 1971. It would be less of a problem if Lucas respected the experience of the fans of the first hour and made the original version available.Alexwell, to tell you the truth in THX I didn't mind a lot. I mean, I didn't see anything that was unpleasant to me..But yes, i agree that when there are so radical changes, both versiosn should definitely be available to the public!By the way, even with these CGI, it seems THX was a very good film!George Lucas certainly had a vision and creativity back then.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 I think I may have said this in the pastIn the 80's and 90's when I was watching the original Star Wars trilogy on VHS I kept thinking how cool it would be if Lucas went back and re-did the special effects of the original Star Wars. That was before there was any talk of Special Editions.Maybe Lucas did read my mind with the Force. In that case, I , King Mark, am responsible the Star Wars SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 *cocks gun* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 And I had childhood fantasies about operating giant robotic dinosaurs. I am subconsciously responsible for the Power Rangers. :rolleyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 If Lucas made Star Wars today, well just look at the prequels. And I doubt it would be the major hit it was back in 77'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 That's what bothers me so much about the SE. CGI in a bunch of films that look unmistakably like they are made in the 70's and 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 I have a confession to make.The original three film were made before I was born. Which means they are not part of my childhood memories. True, when my mom was pregnant she went to see TESB in cinema (and I'd like to think this shaped my musical tastes), but I've not seen the films in full until 1997. If not for those releases (as pointlessly augmented as they are) I wouldn't have a chance to watch Star Wars on big screen. In a few years following I've watched VHS to death.So having originals doesn't have much of a sentimental value to me. It's cool for those who want it, sure, and I would check them out as well.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Not only are they out of place and stick out like a sore thumb, but it's a slap in the face to artists for the ground breaking work done at the time of films original release. Demondm810 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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