Jay 37,287 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 I think you're putting way too much thought into these details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Indeed! It's JNH, not Shore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Have you found the allusions to the previous Potter scores yet? How JNH tonally references several Williams themes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Overlooked at the Oscars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 That's what you feel! Admit it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 I think it's the best Fantasy score we've gotten on a while. Perhaps since HTTYD 2? Looking forward to getting the BluRay when it arrives and rewatching. Rogue One kinda took over once that came out but im going to enjoy it at home when I get it. Yes BB, I got the edition with the Niffler statue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Jude Law is a fantastic actor who never seems to get the roles that show how fantastic he is. But think of him in Mr. Ripley or A.I. or I Heart Huckabees or Side Effects or even his small role in Grand Budapest. Basically, I'm on board the Jude Law as Dumbledore train. Certainly better news than Johnny fucking Depp. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Oh, he's a good actor, no doubt about that, but him as a young Dumbledore? Not sure... Wait and see, I guess... And yeah, still not as awful as Depp as Grindelwald! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 They should just cast Gambon and CGI youngify him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Nah! I rather liked the idea of casting Jared Harris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I have no problem with Jared Harris, a fine actor, but for me to endorse him would be to tacitly endorse his father's performance as Dumbledore, which was awful. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2017 Pieter Boelen, Bilbo and Bofur01 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I like Jude Law a lot but not sure what I think of him as Dumbledore. David Yates must love The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Hehehe.. Didn't think of that connection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 9 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I have no problem with Jared Harris, a fine actor, but for me to endorse him would be to tacitly endorse his father's performance as Dumbledore, which was awful. There was indeed a very annoying performance of Dumbledore in some of the films. But it was films 3 and 4 where I was the most annoyed by him. Several moments there that were completely out of character. Thankfully Gambon got a bit better by the end. I reckon he's a good actor and I've liked him in a few other roles I've seen him in. But not really that one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Heh, 3 is my favorite Dumbledore performance, the film where I thought, "Yes! They finally got Dumbledore right!" I've had Dumbledore debates with so many people over so many years, we all have different weird preferences! DarthDementous and mrbellamy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Cuaron seems to have had a very clear idea for what he wanted Dumbledore to be. And Michael Gambon was perfectly suited for it. Newell had no clue and had him shouting all the time, which was really weird. In Yates' films, Dumbledore was just sort of... there. Gambon seems to mostly have gone by what the directors told him to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I didn't like Dumbledore giving a lecture in Azkaban. That wasn't in the book and felt really quite out of character to me. And the tie in his beard and silly hat always looked strange to me as well. Plus he never got round to explaining anything of what he should have done. None of those are faults with Gambon as actor. More related to my general dissatisfaction with Azkaban altogether. That movie might have been made with the best of intentions, but there were many moments that seemed misguided at best. The same applies though to all the subsequent sequels. OotP and HBP less though than the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Azkaban is the best of the Potter films Alex and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Azkaban is probably the best HP film, yep, but as an adaptation, it's one of the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Really? what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Yes. But of course, I wouldn't expect someone who hasn't read the books to know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 13, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2017 I've read every book several times and I think Azkaban is the best adaptation. It captures the spirit of the novel better than any other, which is much more important than hitting plot points. DarthDementous, mrbellamy and Arpy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Which do you think is the worst/least good adaptation, Stu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 13, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2017 Deathly Hallows Part 2. The definition of hitting plot points without seeming to really understand what Rowling was trying to communicate thematically. mstrox, Not Mr. Big and mrbellamy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 My argument is Sorcerer's Stone, which basically vomits the whole book while taking minimal liberties to make it more filmic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Just now, Disco Stu said: Deathly Hallows Part 2. Good choice. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 They could've done Deathly Hallows in a single movie and satisfied me. But I know the vast rabble that was mad about things like SPEW being excised don't agree with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,287 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Bah. Jared Harris should have been cast as Dumbledore; Richard Harris was a perfect Dumbledore and Gambon really screwed it all up. Azkaban the film is the best film if you can avoid thinking about the books entirely, but its definitely bollocks at covering the interesting and important parts of the book that tie into the series as a whole, which actually started a trend that the rest of the film series did. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Richard Harris was a shit Dumbledore. S-H-I-T. Boring cliche interpretation of a wizard with no spark or anything interesting going in. He just spit out his lines in a monotone rasp. I know many people prefer Harris, but I've never really been able to understand their POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 55 minutes ago, Pieter_Boelen said: I didn't like Dumbledore giving a lecture in Azkaban. That wasn't in the book and felt really quite out of character to me. And the tie in his beard and silly hat always looked strange to me as well. Plus he never got round to explaining anything of what he should have done. Hm what do you mean by a "lecture"? I can't think of anything that stuck out to me that was out of character, lecturing/imparting wisdom to the kids was half of DD's function in the books. The odd fashion never bothered me, considering this is a character who showed up in his first appearance in the first book wearing high-heeled boots and was perfectly comfortable wearing Professor Sprout's flowery bonnet for Christmas dinner. POA Dumbledore was the only time we really ever saw that silly, flamboyant side of him in the films outside of little nods to stuff like the "knitting patterns" in HBP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Jason, so Jared Harris should have been cast because...he's family? What a silly thing to say. Did you want Jason Connery to play 007 at one point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Peter Davison's son-in-law should play The Doctor Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Nepotism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Jason, so Jared Harris should have been cast because...he's family? What a silly thing to say. Did you want Jason Connery to play 007 at one point? I didn't say that; I simply think Jared Harris is a good actor and would make an excellent Dumbledore. Then I talked about how I prefer daddy Harris's take on Dumbledore over Gambon's, because Stu said he liked Gambon's better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Harris was good in the first one, less so in the second. Probably because he was close to death. Gambon was ok, but inconsistent, as Breathmask pointed out. I prefer Gandalf anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,272 Posted April 13, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2017 25 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Richard Harris was a shit Dumbledore. S-H-I-T. Boring cliche interpretation of a wizard with no spark or anything interesting going in. He just spit out his lines in a monotone rasp. I know many people prefer Harris, but I've never really been able to understand their POV. I might just be saying this because I'm a fanboy, but honestly I think DD's characterization lost something when Williams left. A lot of the calm gentleness of Harris's more memorable moments arguably owes a lot to the music (Erised, Love Harry, Fawkes), and I think Williams brings out a lot of the "twinkly" charm and light wisdom that comes across for me with Gambon in 3....the "Happiness can be found" line with the comforting but mysterious Double Trouble on recorders, or "Secrets of the Castle" under the short musing on dreams. The fluidity of Cuaron's camera helps too of course. I dunno, Dumbledore lost a certain expressiveness in the films after that. Bofur01, Disco Stu and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 33 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Richard Harris was a shit Dumbledore. S-H-I-T. Boring cliche interpretation of a wizard with no spark or anything interesting going in. He just spit out his lines in a monotone rasp. Neither Harris or Gambon really committed to the role, essentially doing whatever the director wanted. Compare them to Rickman, who really brought something to the table and give a consistent characterization regardless of who was the director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: I might just be saying this because I'm a fanboy, but honestly I think DD's characterization lost something when Williams left. A lot of the calm gentleness of Harris's more memorable moments arguably owes a lot to the music (Erised, Love Harry, Fawkes), and I think Williams brings out a lot of the "twinkly" charm and light wisdom that comes across for me with Gambon in 3....the "Happiness can be found" line with the comforting but mysterious Double Trouble on recorders, or "Secrets of the Castle" under the short musing on dreams. The fluidity of Cuaron's camera helps too of course. I dunno, Dumbledore lost a certain expressiveness in the films after that. This I can get behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I really just think Harris was too feeble for the role. If there's one thing Dumbledore never was characterized as by Rowling, it was feeble. Gambon's performances may vary across the movies, but he always was able to put across a fiery youthfulness that belied his aged appearance. Harris' Dumbledore seemed like he'd be needing a cane soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Harris had a certain charm about him, but I struggle picturing his Dumbledore doing a lot of the things that happen in the later books, like fighting off the Inferi in HBP, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mrbellamy 6,272 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 1 hour ago, BloodBoal said: I'd say they managed to recapture that for a brief moment in The Half-Blood Prince, during the In Noctem scene. I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to there (one of the Pensieve scenes?) but I actually like the little sentimental motif that Hooper brought in twice at the end, the string melody that begins both "Journey to the Cave" and "The Killing of Dumbledore". The harmonization in the latter is epecially effective when Dumbles says "Trust me" to Harry...that sort of emotional undercurrent feels oddly absent in his character throughout a lot of 4-6 to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: Hm what do you mean by a "lecture"? I can't think of anything that stuck out to me that was out of character, lecturing/imparting wisdom to the kids was half of DD's function in the books. Imparting wisdom and lecturing aren't the same thing, I reckon. His story about "remembering to turn on the lights" didn't really feel right to me. 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: The odd fashion never bothered me, considering this is a character who showed up in his first appearance in the first book wearing high-heeled boots and was perfectly comfortable wearing Professor Sprout's flowery bonnet for Christmas dinner. POA Dumbledore was the only time we really ever saw that silly, flamboyant side of him in the films outside of little nods to stuff like the "knitting patterns" in HBP. Fair point. Truth be told, that bit doesn't really bother me so much either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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