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Fargo (TV Series)

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I was referring to the US Office in my reply.


but then Season 2 was amazing, one of the best seasons of any comedy ever.

This is my feeling as well. It's sort of a mini-masterpiece of television. The US version that is ;)

/confusion

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I think Parks and Rec follows a similar structure

Parks and Rec Season 1 is (like The Office US Season 1) only 6 episodes long and is (like The Office US Season 1) not very good.

However, Parks and Rec seasons 2-3 are fantastic, top notch television. The subtraction of Paul Schneider and addition of Adam Scott and Rob Lowe is one of the best sitcom cast rejiggerings ever.

Season 4 was also good, but Season 5, which is when Greg Daniels left to run the final season of The Office instead, was really not that great.

It remains to be seen how Seasons 6 and 7 stack up with the rest, but right now (I've seen all aired episodes of S6) I'm thinking they should DEFINITELY end it after Season 7. This can't be dragged out to 9 like The Office was, it'll really suck.

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I think Parks and Rec follows a similar structure

Parks and Rec Season 1 is (like The Office US Season 1) only 6 episodes long and is (like The Office US Season 1) not very good.

However, Parks and Rec seasons 2-3 are fantastic, top notch television. The subtraction of Paul Schneider and addition of Adam Scott and Rob Lowe is one of the best sitcom cast rejiggerings ever.

Season 4 was also good, but Season 5, which is when Greg Daniels left to run the final season of The Office instead, was really not that great.

It remains to be seen how Seasons 6 and 7 stack up with the rest, but right now (I've seen all aired episodes of S6) I'm thinking they should DEFINITELY end it after Season 7. This can't be dragged out to 9 like The Office was, it'll really suck.

they only started showing it here recently in the UK, Season 3 finished last week and quite like it. Season 2 was a breath of fresh air after one. But the legend that is Ron Swanson remains stellar. At this point anyway.

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They introduce a love interest for Ron in the later seasons which is great, and she is played by Lucy Lawless which is great, but then she barely appears at all so it now seems like a bad idea in foresight. Should have cast someone who was willing to appear on the show often.

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Look forward to it all the same, though at this rate we'll be getting the show done about ten years after it actually ends in the USA.

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Hollywood Reporter's review of the series is very favorable, saying the show's characters are similar to that of Fargo, but aren't the same. It also mentions that the Coen Brothers were so impressed with the script and finished pilot, that they came aboard as executive producers.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/fargo-tv-review-695445

If the series is renewed for a second season, it'll be a new cast of characters and story (a la "American Horror Story").

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Nice to see it's getting good reactions. An anthology type thing would be a good approach for this. Interesting how that is starting to catch on, with American Horror Story, True Detective, and potentially now this.

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Enjoyed the first episode; Freeman is, as ever, quietly brilliant.

I take it it's a 'basic cable' show? The blood-letting and sexual content was at a level you wouldn't usually get on a network show, but nobody said 'fuck'.

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Enjoyed the first episode; Freeman is, as ever, quietly brilliant.

I take it it's a 'basic cable' show? The blood-letting and sexual content was at a level you wouldn't usually get on a network show, but nobody said 'fuck'.

It's on cable TV, which is where shows like Breaking Bad, Walking Dead, Mad Men, and Sons of Anarchy live. This is a service you technically subscribe to but still has advertisers. It's like a broader version of HBO, which is a premium channel (you can subscribe to that individually, whereas cable is a package deal).

Network TV is "less offensive" and geared more toward family viewing.

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Yes, but I understood that there was 'basic cable' (shows like Fargo, Walking Dead, Nip/Tuck etc) where the language, violence/gore and sexual content (while 'stronger' than network TV) are still not as strong as 'full cable' (shows like Dexter, Sex And The City and The Sopranos).

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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying ;)

Think of it in three sections.

Network - NCIS, CSI, The Mentalist, 2 Broke Girls, Criminal Minds, Glee, Agents of SHIELD, Revolution, Grey's Anatomy, The Big Bang Theory, The Voice, American Idol, etc. Mostly what you would think of as "Family Appropriate Entertainment"...for the most part, but that's starting to change up a bit with Hannibal, The Following, and other shows of this ilk.

Cable - Fargo, Walking Dead, Mad Men, Bates Motel, etc.

Premuim - HBO, Showtime, Starz, Cinemax, etc

Each level up gives you a bit more freedom (HBO doesn't have advertizers to worry about, and the FCC regulations are different). Network is starting to jump on the bandwagon now since adults want, you know, adult oriented programming. They see there is a audience out there for more niche programming and are trying to stay competative.

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The FCC doesn't regulate basic cable, either. All the basic cable channels are legally allowed to show whatever the hell they want. Each channel, however, decides to set up their own internal standards and practices that they make the makers of the shows they air adhere to, but that's for more out of fear of losing advertisers and/or viewers than anything else. This is why some swear words and more violence have begun to make their way into basic cable shows on certain channels, and why many offer uncensored late night programming (look at what Comedy Central gets up to at 1am on Saturday nights lately)

The FCC only regulates what airs over the free airwaves.

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The FCC doesn't regulate basic cable, either.

I didn't mean to imply that they did, which is why I pointed out that HBO doesn't have advertisers to worry about. By implication, this was meant to reinforce why cable still needs to cut back at times.

What is more interesting is that I recall reading an article where even HBO was worried about the sex and violence of certain shows because although they could provide even more explicit material, they choose not to out of concern of losing membership.

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It fascinates me, I find some of the decision-making pretty bizarre ... for example I really don't understand why they think the Walking Dead's audience are fine with seeing zombies uber-gruesomely chow down on someone's innards but assume that if a character seeing same says 'FUCK ME!' in response, they'll be terribly offended.

Weird.

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The american censorship model of allowing incredibly brutal violence and graphic gore but not innocent naked flesh has never made sense to me or many other people. But it will probably take a long, long time to change still.

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I really don't understand why they think the Walking Dead's audience are fine with seeing zombies uber-gruesomely chow down on someone's innards but assume that if a character seeing same says 'FUCK ME!' in response, they'll be terribly offended.

Oddly enough, this affected The Walking Dead in a very specific way. There is a quote in the comics where a variation of that word is used to great effect, and they used it as the last line in the season 4 finale , but had to change a particular word to "screwing". The show runner Scott Gimple mentioned that they would have loved to use the real phrase and actually considered it (they almost filmed it) but decided against it since it would never had made it based AMC's approval board.

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Yea I don't get why the makers of any show airing on network tv or basic cable don't film things they way they want, and then make the compromised version for air and have the unrated version available on DVD/Blu. Oh well.

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I greatly enjoyed the first two episodes of Fargo.

Like the movie, it's an odd thing, as the story is pretty incredible, and they tell it with little and great bits of humor, yet you feel wrong laughing watching it, and enjoying watching it, when you remember it's based on actual facts.

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I greatly enjoyed the first two episodes of Fargo.

Like the movie, it's an odd thing, as the story is pretty incredible, and they tell it with little and great bits of humor, yet you feel wrong laughing watching it, and enjoying watching it, when you remember it's based on actual facts.

Fairly sure this isn't actually based on fact. The film wasn't (closing credits have the usual 'fictitious' spiel).

Anyway, I watched episode 2 this evening and loved it. Everyone is so perfectly cast. I can feel it slowly building up to something revealing Nygaard's actions.

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It's not based on actual events. That's only built into the beginning for effect. Cinematic license.

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Yea I don't get why the makers of any show airing on network tv or basic cable don't film things they way they want, and then make the compromised version for air and have the unrated version available on DVD/Blu. Oh well.

Yeah. Some network shows get away with being censored, though, like Arrested Development. But then they kept that shit on DVD. Why?!

Family Guy gets away with a lot too. Comedy Central lets Matt Stone and Trey Parker do whatever they want, although I believe Tom Cruise got the scientology episode banned from ever being shown on air again.

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I believe Tom Cruise got the scientology episode banned from ever being shown on air again.

Not even remotely true. Where do you come up with these things?

The only episode Comedy Central hasn't aired again (or at least didn't air again for a while) was the second part of the two part episode about showing a drawing of Muhammed.

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Yea, just by fox. They aired on cable and are on the DVDs.

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It's not based on actual events. That's only built into the beginning for effect. Cinematic license.

:P

It could still have been based on facts as I wrote, thus not wholly true yet rooted in actual events (mixed together, exaggerated, ...); very weird things do happen.

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Just watched the last episode of this. Great stuff! Mostly.

At first I made the mistake of watching it alongside True Detective (alternating between the two every episode or two), and I think Fargo suffered by comparison. I finished True Detective quickly and then got into Fargo properly. Tim Canterbury was great, as usual, and it was fun to see Saul Goodman and Wild Bill Hickok in supporting roles.

One complaint about the ending, which I'll hide to be on the safe side:

Martin Freeman's demise, while more spectacular, was no match for William H. Macy frantically trying to escape in his underwear through a motel window in the film.

they think the Walking Dead's audience are fine with seeing zombies uber-gruesomely chow down on someone's innards but assume that if a character seeing same says 'FUCK ME!' in response, they'll be terribly offended.

ROTFLMAO

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The UK Office was just OK, but the finale was pretty good (and easily the best episode)

The US Office season 1 was nothing that great, but then Season 2 was amazing, one of the best seasons of any comedy ever.

During the FIFA World Cup last year, there was an article on Nate Silver's website FiveThirtyEight.com with the title "Lionel Messi Is Impossible". The gist of the article was to show, by examining various statistical data on the player's performances, that his abilities not only exceed those of all other current players, but do so in ways which would at first appear to be mutually contradictory - i.e., that he excels simultaneously in contrasting aspects of the game to a degree which hardly seems possible for a single player.

It's for the same sort of reason that I think The Office (meaning the genuine Merchant / Gervais creation) is one of the all-time high points of television. On one hand, it conveys a sense of reality, in its characterisations, situations and dialogue, which is as naturalistic and convincing as anything I've seen in any fictional TV programme or film, and it has few rivals in this respect. Simultaneously, it manages to orchestrate a seamless stream of comedic beats, regularly building up to gut-wrenchingly funny climaxes; they have all the impact of the best sort of sitcom punchlines, while being conjured up out of exchanges which are thoroughly believable. The naturalistic aspect of the programme has the feel of something that could only be achieved through improvisation and trial-and-error, while the comedic rhythm and structure feels like the result of inspired and impeccable pre-planning. How these two opposing qualities were not only achieved, but brought off to such a degree of excellence and perfection, is something which has bewildered me since I saw the first series thirteen years ago. I've watched it countless times since and have been increasingly in awe of it. So, yeah: The Office is impossible.

(I agree that the last episode is the best.)

I like the US spin-off show (as it's called here, The Office: An American Workplace) well enough - or, at least, the four seasons that I've seen - but it's not even close to being impossible. The characters, the situations and the dialogue are all much more broadly drawn (I assume so, anyway - or is that what it's really like in America?), and much closer in style to a standard sitcom. Not that there's anything wrong with that; it just doesn't have the impeccable confluence of opposing qualities which make The Office such a brilliant masterpiece, nor is it nearly as funny as, say, Curb Your Enthusiasm. I have to say that the "Prison Mike" segment was one of the funniest things I've ever seen, though.

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The best seasons of The Office (US) were 2-4. After the writer's strike it was never the same, though there continued to be many highlights. The show didn't need to go on for 200 episodes though.

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