Incanus 5,714 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Wow. I've never heard that before.Pays to listen to all the credits Indeed. But hey KK had still after all these years something new to discover from LotR. Ain't he lucky or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Yeah, it's pretty crazy. And here I thought I heard every note I ever needed to hear from LotR... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 You never saw the Fanclub Credits?N00b!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Yeah, it's pretty crazy. And here I thought I heard every note I ever needed to hear from LotR... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 One thing that wasn't released on the CRs or the Rarities was the original NZSO version of the Breaking of the Fellowship, which I thought was a shame but I think Doug mentioned years ago that it was part of the philosophy of not presenting material already released, even though it was just in the EE fan credits. It would have been a great way to round out the Rarities.Agreed. However, the explanation doesn't make complete sense, because for RotK, they did put Bilbo's Song on it, and that was from the EE end credits. Or did they count the film version of 'Breaking' as "material already released" (in another alternate version on the OST)?But yes, it's a huge shame. That version is incredibly stirring and serves as a perfectly self-contained 6-minute representation of Shore's entire work on the trilogy. Oh well, at least it's easy to rip in good quality from the DVD/Blu-Ray.Oh and another piece that was already released and found its way on the RotK CR is Asëa Aranion, which of course was featured in the EE fan credits. So there seems to be have been very much the composer's preference that played part in what to include and what not. Which of course is not a surprise by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Yeah, it's pretty crazy. And here I thought I heard every note I ever needed to hear from LotR...SmartArt for the win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 A goofy question to Jim or someone who knows something, is this some sort of performance flub or something in the left channel at 0:09 of this video?https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9MnB6dmJVMHZVLXM/edit?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 A string break or a restless harpist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,008 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 My guess is Stefan is talking about the fact History of the Ring theme might have had a slightly smaller presence in the initial score as conceived. The prologue stuff was recorded quite late in the game and previous versions of that sequence didn't use it quite as heavily. It certainly doesn't appear to be prominent on the original album. Maybe they decided that it was going to be much more important much later?Just a theory.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 More theories...We don't need theories, we need facts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 The original album is hardly a proper survey of the bigger picture of Shore's design (initial or final). I was listening to the FOTR OST the other day and it really did not do the score justice, often consisting of poorly selected representations of the score that don't come together for the whole "journey" vibe as the CR does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 The original album is hardly a proper survey of the bigger picture of Shore's design (initial or final). I was listening to the FOTR OST the other day and it really did not do the score justice, often consisting of poorly selected representations of the score that don't come together for the whole "journey" vibe as the CR does.I disagree. It's the best of the OST. Mostly chronological, so it has a solid narrative flow, decent selection of material. If a bit heavy on the Nazgul choir.The lack of the History Of The Ring theme on the OST could indeed suggest that theme was conceived late in the game. (It wasnt even used in the original version of the Argonath cue) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 Established in 1947, the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra has become the country’s preeminent musical ensemble hosting,over its years, such noteworthy guest musicians as Lang Lang, Hilary Hahn, Kiri Te Kanawa, Mstislav Rostropovich, ElisabethSchwarzkopf, Antal Dorati, Yehudi Menuhin, Vladimir Ashkenazy, William Walton and Igor Stravinsky. As is well known, theSymphony performed on one of Fellowship’s most thrilling and dynamic sequences, however they also performed a rendition of thefilm’s closing music at the same time. This sequence was reedited before the London recording sessions, so after Shore re-scoredhis music, the LPO was asked to perform the new arrangement. The NZSO’s performance, however, can still be heard under theFan Club credits on the Fellowship Extended Edition DVD.From the Annotated Score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,346 Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 Also, part of the Parth Galen statement is on the OST as the ending of The Great River.I would be more interested in a LOTR TE isolated score than a EE isolated score (though there is some unreleased music in the EE's too) some of the theatrical versions are superior in either terms of pace or performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,008 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 A live to projection performance, at your house, on demand!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 Unfortunately due to logistics and budget, instead of whole sections, you get just 1 player for each section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,008 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 They're doing their best, though!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jim Ware 526 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Also, part of the Parth Galen statement is on the OST as the ending of The Great River.I would be more interested in a LOTR TE isolated score than a EE isolated score (though there is some unreleased music in the EE's too) some of the theatrical versions are superior in either terms of pace or performance.Is there that much TE material unreleased? The only big chunk missing is the theatrical Lothlorien.They scored the Cannes Moria sequence but I believe that wasn't recorded for the Cannes preview. It was recorded for an early version of the breaking of the fellowship, but was later rerecorded when the scene was altered? (was the intention to record the score with the NZSO before they moved to London?)If I remember correctly, the NZSO Breaking of the Fellowship was used at the end of the Cannes preview over a montage of footage from all three pictures, although without having seen the Cannes preview I cannot be sure. Didn't know that had Nazgul score written for it, alas some of the dialing out decisions were actually great decisions!Agreed.The prologue stuff was recorded quite late in the game and previous versions of that sequence didn't use it quite as heavily. It certainly doesn't appear to be prominent on the original album. Maybe they decided that it was going to be much more important much later?The Prologue went through numerous iterations without any use of the History of the Ring at all. SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Is there any evidence suggesting that the History Of The Ring theme was something Shore came up with comparatively late compared to most of the other thematic material?It would explain a great many things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 No.But seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 It would explain it's almost complete absence from the OST, and why it was tracked so much in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Almost every instance of the History of the Ring in FOTR was originally scored with something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,714 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Oh that Shore is such a talentless hack! He didn't even have the decency to come up with the coolest theme of these scores before that late in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 Almost every instance of the History of the Ring in FOTR was originally scored with something else.This basically confirms it? Did this something else tend to be underscore or different themes?The A Conspiracy Unmasked scene = ???a Footsteps of Doom End-Cap statement and some underscore from costume documentaryAlso, part of the Parth Galen statement is on the OST as the ending of The Great River.I would be more interested in a LOTR TE isolated score than a EE isolated score (though there is some unreleased music in the EE's too) some of the theatrical versions are superior in either terms of pace or performance.Is there that much TE material unreleased? The only big chunk missing is the theatrical Lothlorien.Well, nothing TOO substantial:Prologue: One Ring To Rule Them All Theatrical - The brass note from at the end of the first (?) Cor Anglais statement of the HOTR theme was replaced with the insert for the Isildur scene, the ending transition is different than the EE version.Frodo Under The Tree (The Shire/Bag End Theatrical)Concerning Hobbits - The Fan Credits version is the film version, but its edited down.Flaming Red Hair - Not a theatrical version, but the opening in the film seems to be different than on the CRThe Caverns of Isengard - The music for Bilbo going cold is different.The Council of Elrond Assembles - The Pre-Gondor theme music for Boromir's speech was dialed out of the TE, but the music preceding it seems to be a different take than the EE version?Doors of Durin Theatrical - Different orchestration, and some different material (some of it can be taken from the TTT game)Lothlorien Theatrical (Mostly on the OST, you can supplement with the CR and DVD rip for a small section for Haldir's elves)The Great River Theatrical - the OST has the Theatrical Version, but with a overlay of the Fellowship theme, the Fan Club Credits has it without the overlay.Parth Galen Theatrical - The OST has an edited down version of the theatrical version, the TTT game has the unedited version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I really want that theatrical Frodo under the tree music!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 While it is no substitute, the first part of the AUJ track "Old Friends" is almost the same as the first portion of that music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 The end of the Rarities prologue track is similar as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 Its the same theme, I wouldn't say its as similar as Old Friends though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 Jim Ware, is the Isengard theme in The Pas of Caradhras intended to be there or is it tracked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Is there any evidence suggesting that the History Of The Ring theme was something Shore came up with comparatively late compared to most of the other thematic material?It would explain a great many things.Btw, this doesnt actually come from me. Former active MB member and current lurker Dani gave me the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Is there any evidence suggesting that the History Of The Ring theme was something Shore came up with comparatively late compared to most of the other thematic material?It would explain a great many things.Btw, this doesnt actually come from me. Former active MB member and current lurker Dani gave me the idea.And it is a plausible one. Either that or sudden shift of focus to the Ring by PJ and the film makers. Actually this was also their focus for the whole FotR when cutting it, "Frodo carrying the Ring", which could explain the heavier emphasis on the History of the Ring theme in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Aren't we full of hindsight today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 "Ben....why didnt you tell me?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I think in the commentaries for the EE, Jackson and Boyens say that after many tries at rearranging some of the narrative to fit the prologue, the focus did shift to the Ring. Which is ultimately what Jackson wanted to begin with. The music must have reflected this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Jim Ware, is the Isengard theme in The Pas of Caradhras intended to be there or is it tracked?Intended.The end of the Rarities prologue track is similar as wellThis bit is actually the same take as The Prophecy on the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 Speaking of The Prophecy, is it edited down? or is it really a 4 minute composition?Also, is the five beat pattern at the end of At the sign of the Prancing Pony part of the unused music for the Ringwraiths trashing the beds? or is it part of the unused music for the Orcs tearing the trees of Isengard down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Speaking of The Prophecy, is it edited down? or is it really a 4 minute composition?Also, is the five beat pattern at the end of At the sign of the Prancing Pony part of the unused music for the Ringwraiths trashing the beds? or is it part of the unused music for the Orcs tearing the trees of Isengard down?As Jim says above The Prophecy is just edited down version of the earlier Prologue draft and the Five Beat Pattern does indeed according to Doug come from the alternate and unused spoiling of Isengard scene and is just edited to the end of the OST version of the At the Sign of the Prancing Pony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Speaking of The Prophecy, is it edited down? or is it really a 4 minute composition?Also, is the five beat pattern at the end of At the sign of the Prancing Pony part of the unused music for the Ringwraiths trashing the beds? or is it part of the unused music for the Orcs tearing the trees of Isengard down?As Jim says above The Prophecy is just edited down version of the earlier Prologue draft It's a standalone assembly of various components of the earlier Prologue. The section at the end of Prancing Pony is part of the unused Isengard five-beat introduction (as heard in Out From Bree on the rarities), edited and missing the choral overlay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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