TWIN PEAKS

[A24 4,328]

So .. the golden age is real?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It depends on your definition 

[Quintus 5,399]

3 hours ago, Thor said:

 

I disagree. The scene with James and Donna out in the woods, for example, is one of the most heartfelt and best-acted scenes in the whole series (no doubt aided by the freezing cold, as explained in the 'making of').

 

That's a great scene. Early on, James was still quite compelling. But later, his self-centered angst becomes punch worthy. Made worse by ham. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Ham and cheese actually.

[A24 4,328]

19 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

It depends on your definition 

 

What are the different definitions?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

What's yours?

[A24 4,328]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Television_(2000s–present)

 

 

 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Agreed!

 

NCIS is not Golden Age though, Alex. 

 

[mstrox 6,647]

Everything produced from 2000-current is quality and everything before that time is garbage.

 

RIP Animal Practice, too soon, too soon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Practice

 

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I think George Lucas must have been a fan of Twin Peaks and instructed Hayden Christensen to watch old VHS recordings and base his portrayal of Anakin on James.

[A24 4,328]

11 hours ago, mstrox said:

Everything produced from 2000-current is quality and everything before that time is garbage.

 

 

 

That's not the correct definition of the golden age of TV.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,508]

15 hours ago, Alexcremers said:

Just to add something meaningful to the conversation, I thought my favorite Twin Peaks babe still looks good!

 

 

 

Ah! Madchen Amick, if I'm not mistaken. Nice, but I always fancied both Piper Laurie, and Peggy Lipton. Kimmy Robertson was a real cutie-pie.

[Quintus 5,399]

Reaction to the premiere last night: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/twin-peaks-season-3-premiere-preview-200557476.html

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

I've never seen Twin Peaks (though I've enjoyed many of its progeny).  When news of this Showtime series broke, several of my friends said I "had" to see it. Knowing what an important and influential piece of television it was, I gave it a try but couldn't get into it...it felt dated to me, and I found some of the over the top camp annoying. I could definitely see the show had merits, but I think some things you just have to get into early.  And frankly I suspect that some of the many shows that Twin Peaks influenced did it better.

 

There are things that I loved growing up, that a lot of people around here would regard as classics, but when I've tried to show them to people who've never seen them I usually get a "what's the big deal" shrug. 

[Quintus 5,399]

It always takes me three episodes to settle into it, to be comfortable with the things you criticised it for. Because it is jarring at first. But then after that it comes to feel strangely normal, and you just go with it. The weird outdated (yet somehow timeless) style is key to the experience and its cult appeal. Looks like you missed that part. 

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

..... Or didn't find it particularly appealing. 

[Quintus 5,399]

Yeah you said that. 

 

What other kitsch entertainments do you like? 

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

Well, Quintus, why don't you give me a list of Quintus-approved kitschy TV to choose from, and I'll let you know if I like any of them. 

 

And no, they all need not have spurred a big screen movie, novels, comic books and high profile Showtime revival. Just your run of the mill little kitschy shows. 

 

I mean, I like Fargo. Does that count? 

[A24 4,328]

My son loved the humor of Twin Peaks and he liked the variety of weird characters. He soon became of die-hard fan and now he can't wait for the new season. We even watched a couple of David Lynch movies after we finished watching the show but he seemed way more enthusiastic about Twin Peaks. Sometimes old shows still do their magic.

 

Maybe I should let him watch I, Claudius but that maybe a bridge too far. 

[Quintus 5,399]

2 hours ago, Nick1066 said:

Well, Quintus, why don't you give me a list of Quintus-approved kitschy TV to choose from, and I'll let you know if I like any of them. 

 

And no, they all need not have spurred a big screen movie, novels, comic books and high profile Showtime revival. Just your run of the mill little kitschy shows. 

 

I mean, I like Fargo. Does that count? 

 

Great show that, it's not what I'd call kitschy though. I wouldn't exactly say I'm big on kitsch (that's user 'Godzilla'), but Twin Peaks just seemed to click with me for some reason. I only watched it for the first time myself about 4 years ago. 

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

I'm not big into kitsch. My favourite TV series of all time is probably a Canadian show most people have never heard of called Slings & Arrows.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I liked Twin Peaks until about halfway through season 2, at which point you were already dealing with a bunch of stupidity. And I'm not talking about the supernatural elements, either. After that, you have scattered greatness amid mediocrity and pure shit. There's a certain humor in season 1 that works, that they got completely wrong in 2. For instance, Nadine's obsession with silent runners vs. Nadine reverting to a high schooler. Bad bad bad. But there are always Audrey Horne scenes, especially those with Cooper. Her rescue scene remains one of the best in the series.

 

I think what made the show work, especially up to that point, was how the murder appears to be some riffraff upsetting a quiet town, but the FBI agents descend and just about everyone is revealed to be up to some dark shit. Until he becomes more brooding and serious (and boring) in season 2, the writers and Kyle MacLachlan create one of the most likeable characters ever, blending professionalism for a guy you would trust and stand behind, quirkiness and utter lunacy. It's amazing.

[A24 4,328]

I had a problem with the amateurish way some of the episodes in S2 were made. As if Lynch had disappeared and some coffee boy took over control of the production.

[Romão 2,274]

Those half a dozen episodes between Leland's death and the emergence of Windom Earle are when the show was at its worst. But I'd still say 75% of the series was gold

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

It's obvious they were greenlit for too many episodes that season.

[Quintus 5,399]

Just get the through the rut of bad episodes (there's about 5-6 in total) and the last 2-3 get good again. The final episode is a classic. 

 

1 hour ago, Selina Kyle said:

It's obvious they were greenlit for too many episodes that season.

 

That, and it's because the station demanded that Lynch prematurely reveal the identity of the killer. He had no choice in the matter. Lynch fell out of love with Twin Peaks after that, it's a well known story. 

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

12 minutes ago, Quintus said:

That, and it's because the station demanded that Lynch prematurely reveal the identity of the killer. He had no choice in the matter. 

 

He clearly didn't have the power that Ridley Scott has.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Can we forgive Lynch for Heather Graham?

[Naïve Old Fart 9,508]

I've just seen an advert for TWIN PEAKS, on Sky Sports 

Unfortunately, it was shown right after Liverpool beat Middlesbrough 

[A24 4,328]

3 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Can we forgive Lynch for Heather Graham?

 

Yep, because she looked beautiful.

 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

2 minutes ago, Richard said:

I've just seen an advert for TWIN PEAKS, on Sky Sports 

Unfortunately, it was shown right after Liverpool beat Middlesbrough 

 

Go Reds!!!

[Naïve Old Fart 9,508]

**** off! You don't give a **** about The ****ing Kop! 

You ****ing ****! **** off, and take your ****ing  "Go, Reds" ****ing with you, and shove it up your ****ing ****, while you're doing it! ****!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

#AnfieldForever!

[Naïve Old Fart 9,508]

ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

3 minutes ago, Richard said:

ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,508]

Now yer gettin' nasty 

 

Anywaaaaay....back to TP; I can't wait.

[A24 4,328]

 

I wouldn't mind ordering a coffee there

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

1 minute ago, Richard said:

Now yer gettin' nasty 

 

No champions league for the Gunners this year!

1 minute ago, Alexcremers said:

 

I wouldn't mind ordering a coffee there

 

Shelly is gorgous!

[Naïve Old Fart 9,508]

Shelly is, indeed, gorgeous. I probably wouldn't mind something other than a coffee...freshly squeezed, of course!

 

2 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

No champions league for the Gunners this year!

 

Now, that really is enough!

At least we have next Saturday.

[Quintus 5,399]

37 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Can we forgive Lynch for Heather Graham?

 

For me, Graham is the second worst character of the whole thing. Her and MacLachlan had zero chemistry. I also think Graham is another one of those peculiar people who became far more beautiful as they got older, once she hit thirty.  

[Quintus 5,399]

Who's watching it tonight then? It's not on till 2am here, so I'll be tuning in tomorrow evening instead. And I'll be going dark online until then. 

[Jay 37,324]

We'll watch it tomorrow

 

This will be like the Game of Thrones or other show threads now, where people can openly talk about the new episodes as soon as they air without spoiler blocks everywhere.  Spoiler blocks should still be used for any "next time on" previews that Showtime shows, and well as speculation informed by watching those.  Please remember that not everyone likes to watch those previews.  Thanks!

[mstrox 6,647]

WHAT

 

 

There was no "next time on" preview.

 

 

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

If it becomes available to stream on Prime without an additional charge, I'll watch it.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Twin Peaks S3E1&2

 

 Both brilliant and inexplicable. It's hard to describe what I've just seen actually. But It's certainly a tour da force production.

 

First of all, almost no Twin Peaks in almost 2 hours of Twin Peaks. The film (it looks and feels like a film) takes place in several locations, including New York (loved those expressionist exterior shots). We get a few scenes in the Police station, with Hawk, Lucy and Andy. Hawk later looks for Cooper with directions from the Log Lady.

We get a seemingly arbitrary scene in the Great Northern, another one with Dr. Jacoby taking delivery of some shovels, a brief scene with Mrs. Palmer watching TV and the scene in the bar at the end.

 

Everything else is a seemingly unrelated series of events in seemingly unrelated locations, which are of course all connected.

 

Visually this is all incredibly striking. Lynch captures the tone of the old TV show perfectly. It's 25 years later, but never quite looks like the present day. Computers looks ridiculously dated, and function in a way they wouldnt in real life. Sets and props looks deliberately anachronistic. Making Evil Dale's modern Mercedes particularly stand out.

 

The plot?

 

Hard to say. Evil Cooper is apparently supposed to go back to the Black Lodge and change places with Cooper, but doesnt want to. There's people out looking for him. He's looking for something too. There's a Billionaire apparently doing research on the Black Lodge. And there's a murder, a double one actually. With Matthew Lillard doing an impressive job as a Leland Palmer like figure who probably did the crime, but has no memories of it.

 

And that's really all I can recall at the moment. Apart from the stuff with Cooper inside the Black Lodge. By far the most inexplicable part of a deeply inexplicable film. But it does have a certain amount of gravitas. Actually seeing Cooper and Laura Palmer 25 years later. Kissing, her whispering in his ear.

 

I'll freely admit to not having a clue what's going on, but I was certainly hooked.

[mstrox 6,647]

Episodes 3-4 are available on Showtime's app if you subscribe. I may watch tonight, but if I talk about them I'll spoiler-tag it

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Twin Peaks S3E3

Spoiler

 

It's official! David Lynch has completely lost his marbles and yet has somehow been allowed to make a third series of Twin Peaks where even after 3 episodes we hardly see Twin Peaks or any of the characters from the show.

 

This is almost completely centred around Dale Cooper and his exit from the Black Lodge, which is as captivating as it is bewildering. Dale apparetly lands up in an metal drum somewhere in space, with an asian women without eyes and very choppy editing. The rest of it can hardly be put into worlds. But apparently Dale is back, in Nevada somewhere. exchanged placves not with Killer Bob, but another character played by Kyle called Dougie. A helpful hooker drops him at a Casino where he wins it big.

 

Meanwhile Hawk, helped (???) by Lucy and Andy try to make sense of the Log's message from the previous episode.

 

It ends with the FBI, where Gordon Cole and Albert get word that Cooper has been found.

 

All of this is ridiculously captivating, even though it's nonsensical (apparently) incredibly slow, and just weird.

 

It might not be Twin Peaks yet, but it's undiluted David Lynch.

 

 

5 minutes ago, mstrox said:

Episodes 3-4 are available on Showtime's app if you subscribe. I may watch tonight, but if I talk about them I'll spoiler-tag it

 

Watched ep 3 and am now moving to the fourth. Do I need to spoilertag those? I'll do it just in case.

[Jay 37,324]

I think episodes 3 and 4 discussion should be spoiler-blocked until they air "normally".

 

So this is kind of a weird system, people who go online to watch eps 3 and 4 now have to wait 3 weeks to see episode 5?  Because episode 3 will air next week, and then episode 4 in two weeks, and then finally episode 5 in 3 weeks?  Is that right?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I think so

[mstrox 6,647]

Next week is another two hours (3 and 4), and then it shifts to one hour