TWIN PEAKS

[Quintus 5,399]

You mean you don't stand around talking about movie scores? Suuuuure. 

[Thor 7,492]

I actually enjoy most things about this show, but there are some irritating moments now and then -- like the Audrey/Charlie stuff. Not only because it's insanely stale and apathetic, but also because it completely destroys Audrey's allure and mystery of the original run.

[Quintus 5,399]

She's suddenly very angry and foul mouthed. I'm not a fan - it isn't even the same character. Same actress and that's it. If this ends up being the sum of Sherilyn Fenn's role in The Return then I think she may as well have turned Lynch down, same as Michael Ontkean did. 

 

Still, I'm really looking forward to the next episode (and the closing double feature the week after). 

[Thor 7,492]

I was thinking about something earlier; that this whole business about Audrey and Charlie, and the 'suspense' in whether they will leave the room to look for Billy (who?) or not, is actually not real, but takes place inside her head while she's actually still in coma from the explosion. The moment she leaves the house, she "wakes up". But it's a rather farfetched interpretation, perhaps.

[Quintus 5,399]

Yeah I read that theory on Reddit earlier this week. Seems workable, assuming there's a decent reason for her being unconscious.

[Thor 7,492]

5 hours ago, Quintus said:

Yeah I read that theory on Reddit earlier this week. Seems workable, assuming there's a decent reason for her being unconscious.

 

Well, the reason is the bank explosion in the final episode of season 2, which leaves her in a coma (as Doc Hayward confirms in his Skype conversation with sherrif Truman II). But that means she must have been in a coma for 25 years....

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Romão 2,274]

Audrey's scenes are clearly taking place at a different time and pace that the rest of the show. All the scenes she's been in are all part of the same sequence and it lasted maybe as much as 20 minutes, spread through 3 or 4 episodes

[Thor 7,492]

11 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

If she was in a coma since the bank explosion, how did she give birth to Richard?

 

That's a good point.

[Quintus 5,399]

Pity too, because that would have been very clever and very cool.

[DominicCobb 194]

I had thought watching her first scene that she might be institutionalized or something. Definitely seems like it might be that way based on her subsequent scenes. Either way, it's hard to believe that there isn't something deeper going on with her that we haven't found out yet.

[scallenger 483]

OMG!!!! Episode 16 was amazing!

 

Don't have much time to describe, but... COOP IS BACK!

[Jay 37,346]

You watched Twin Peaks instead of the GOT finale eh

[scallenger 483]

Never seen GOT lol. I am at this point waiting until it is all over and going to watch it all one after another.

[Jay 37,346]

Why choose to watch Twin Peaks week-to-week, but GOT in a tight binge?

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

That was wonderfully satisfying!

[scallenger 483]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

Why choose to watch Twin Peaks week-to-week, but GOT in a tight binge?

 

Never had a chance or remembered to watch GOT. I guess I had enough dark fantasy for a while after my LOTR and (latter) Potter years, despite everyone recommending it. Just wanted something truly new for myself to get into. I honestly avoid most TV shows since you have to commit so many hours, unless it is something I know for sure I will like (Westworld, due to my love of Crichton's work), or just something unique and different that I just on a whim feel like experiencing. Twin Peaks allured me some years ago when I started getting into David Lynch, so I anticipated this new series eagerly since I loved (most) of the original one. Since GOT is ending, what, next year, or is it this year? Since I waited so long already, and still don't really have the same interest, I figure I may as well wait until the whole series is done, then dive in, if I ever feel like doing so.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Thor 7,492]

This was probably the most conventional episode so far, but by God, I have to admit it....that was f____ng satisfying! Just the kind of boost it needed at the end. This was almost all about major storylines, and very few (if any?) of the tangential ones.

 

Also glad to see that my suspicion in regards to Audrey Horne seems to be right. If not in a coma, she's certainly....somewhere.

[mstrox 6,651]

Everything's coming together!  Still lots of fascinating questions for me.

 

Looks like Evil Coop+Audrey=Richard was correct.  And they handled it neatly without a lot of exposition.  Cooper "visited" Audrey in the hospital shortly after the finale, tells Richard he's 25 years his elder, and says "Goodbye my son."  Adios, Richard!  Maybe we'll see you pop up in one of the Lodges next week!

 

Does Jerry Horne know what's going on - does he know that was his nephew who fried, or recognize Cooper?  He was looking through the wrong side of the binoculars, so who knows!

 

Diane was a tulpa!  Interesting that real Diane's pre"gas station" experiences started to bleed over into her as she was describing her last night with Mr. C.  Will Cooper have to take in and realize all of Mr. C's experience in the end?   AND, she made reference to being in a sheriff station, or being a sheriff station?  Is the real Diane "Naido?"  Actresses are different, but maybe there's some sort of transformation?

 

It seems pretty clear that all of the befuddling Roadhouse scenes - maybe ALL the Roadhouse scenes - were in Audrey's head/vision/whatever?  But if so, what to make of the things that actually "happened" - i.e. real TP characters appearing.  Shelly/Red, James/Green Man, etc.  At the very least, something happening at the Roadhouse affected "real Twin Peaks," because James and Green Man are in the sheriff's jail.  Does this mean that ALL of Twin Peaks is happening in Audrey's head?  Is she the Dreamer that Gordon talked about a few weeks ago?

 

I thought the dispatch of the two assassins in Dougie's neighborhood was hilarious and well-shot.  At first I thought it was a little anticlimactic, but then Coop woke up and who cares! Certainly would have never expected that ending for them!  Least predictable show on TV.

 

And COOPER!

 

I love that Cooper's first order of business when he woke up is to ensure that Janey-E and Sonny Jim will still have a Dougie when all is said and done.  Maybe this will be a better Dougie - one who doesn't gamble and sleep around - since he's manufactured from the real Cooper?
 

Can't wait to see where this is all going.

8 hours ago, Jay said:

You watched Twin Peaks instead of the GOT finale eh

 

I always watch TP on Sunday nights and GOT on Monday nights.  I don't really mind the GOT spoilers, since it's gotten not so good over the past few seasons.

[Jay 37,346]

6 hours ago, scallenger said:

 

Never had a chance or remembered to watch GOT. I guess I had enough dark fantasy for a while after my LOTR and (latter) Potter years, despite everyone recommending it. Just wanted something truly new for myself to get into. I honestly avoid most TV shows since you have to commit so many hours, unless it is something I know for sure I will like (Westworld, due to my love of Crichton's work), or just something unique and different that I just on a whim feel like experiencing. Twin Peaks allured me some years ago when I started getting into David Lynch, so I anticipated this new series eagerly since I loved (most) of the original one. Since GOT is ending, what, next year, or is it this year? Since I waited so long already, and still don't really have the same interest, I figure I may as well wait until the whole series is done, then dive in, if I ever feel like doing so.

 

GOT is airing 6 more episodes in either 2018 or 2019 and then that's it.

 

Westworld was good!  I don't remember you posting about it much in the thread when it was on.  I hope season 2 is as good as 1!

[mstrox 6,651]

On ‎8‎/‎18‎/‎2017 at 1:24 PM, mstrox said:

 

 

Here is the remaining "unseen" cast at this point, from http://www.dugpa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=3715

 

Updated, going into the 2 hour finale.  JULEE CRUISE GON BRING THE HOUSE DOWN

Actors:
Francesca Eastwood (*1993)

Unknown actors (no acting credits)
Mary Reber

Stunt men and crewmembers
Heath Hensley (stunt man)
Rob Mars (stunt man)

Returning actors
Julee Cruise - Roadhouse Singer
Matt Battaglia - Cop (Season 2, episode 15)


Removed after broadcast:

• Part 15: Casey O'Neill, Rod Rowland, Carlton Lee Russell, Malachy Sreenan, Charlyne Yi, Finn Andrews (The Veils)
• Part 16: Richard Bucher, Scott Cameron, Jonny Coyne, Bellina Martin Logan, Eddie Vedder (Edward Louis Severson III)

[scallenger 483]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

 

GOT is airing 6 more episodes in either 2018 or 2019 and then that's it.

 

Westworld was good!  I don't remember you posting about it much in the thread when it was on.  I hope season 2 is as good as 1!

 

At one point some people were analyzing that show too much (mostly about the Man In Black) and some were being overly negative about it. I decided at one point to just go into the rest of the show cold and see what I would deduce and how I would naturally feel about it without any influence, since it was such an emotional and intricate show. Sometimes it's better that way, and I was happy I did that. It's probably one of the best things I have seen overall in a long time, and I really can't wait for more.

 

This show was a little different. Given how seemingly random Lynch's style can be, I felt like I needed a little more help to "remember" certain things for it to all make sense; not just within season, but from the original series and Fire Walk With Me as well. I've only seen all of it once, and don't really have time to do a lot of re-watch, so in this case despite criticisms (hell, even I grew tired of "Dougie antics"), I wanted to see what the connections really were, if any.

[Jay 37,346]

[Marian Schedenig 8,191]

: - )  ALL.

[Quintus 5,399]

I always watch Twin Peaks ahead of Game of Thrones, because I prefer it over Game of Thrones.

 

The best shot in this episode was Cooper looking back at his casino winnings as he bid farewell to them, for now, after promising to return when it's all over. 

 

How do people feel about the blatant fan service in Audrey's dance? It was nice, but a bit too self-aware for my taste. Luckily there was a nicer surprise waiting to interrupt it.

 

Next week's finale is gonna be one big fangasm, as Coop returns to Twin Peaks. 9 episodes too late as far as I'm concerned. Still, I'm eager to see it happen regardless.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Quintus 5,399]

That twist made the moment more permissable, yes. But I still consider it as fan service.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Marian Schedenig 8,191]

Fan service? "I am the FBI" was fan service. Blatant, juicy, satisfying fan service.

[Quintus 5,399]

Yeah. But it was also the truth!

 

Agree about the juicy and satisfying. It's about goddamn time.

[Marian Schedenig 8,191]

Cue Badalamenti.

 

Seriously, I was never overly bothered by the at times grotesquely slow pace. It contributed to my fascination of the overall weirdness, and made moments like this latest episode all the more satisfying.

[Quintus 5,399]

I wish I'd gotten down to your comfort zone with it. But it has been beyond my patience capability. This show has been brilliant, flawed and shit all at once.

 

26 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

Fan service? "I am the FBI" was fan service. Blatant, juicy, satisfying fan service.

 

Going back to this a moment though, what I mean is I find these scenes tonally at odds with the rest of the work. I suppose it's down to the individual to decide whether they think Lynch should be allowed to have his cake and eat it, at this stage. I'm undecided, at least until next week.

[Marian Schedenig 8,191]

I'm very easily annoyed by fan service. I think I can be pretty forgiving for many details when I like something overall. But I'm very easily annoyed by fan service. That said, Audrey's dance didn't feel wrong, out of place or undeserved to me, at all.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Quintus 5,399]

Funnily enough, I'm not usually arsed or bothered about fan service in anything. But Lynch has frequently "rubbed me the wrong way"* with this, so I suppose I'm more sensitive about proceedings in the remainder of the show than I might have been.

 

*I've seen this term said many times online, but it's a first for me. Is it another US idiom?

[Quintus 5,399]

Btw, did anybody else think the shootout in the street was called for? Overkill or what! Still, it was entertaining. Not always a given, that, in this show. So I'll take it.

[Thor 7,492]

Loved the shootout; every part of it.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[A24 4,331]

Did people notice that Episode 13 (the arm wrestling episode) was almost normally paced?

 

[Jay 37,346]

Not at all, you are absolutely the only person to make that observation!

[A24 4,331]

So what happened? Why the change?

[Jay 37,346]

Just Lynch being Lynch

 

I think they stretched an originally intended 9 episodes out to 18, and most episodes end up with a slow pace because of it (because they hold on each shot longer before cutting to the next, have redundant dialogue instead of zipping through things, etc).  But not EVERY SINGLE episode ends up with a slow pace because of this, some are a little more "normal".

[Quintus 5,399]

That's what happened beyond a doubt. Unfortunately.

[Thor 7,492]

Are you guys allergic to slow, artsy pace or something?

[Quintus 5,399]

Boredom. I'm allergic to boredom.

 

There's plenty of "artsy" content of merit in this. But it isn't all good or something of substance just because you say it is.

[A24 4,331]

9 minutes ago, Jay said:

Just Lynch being Lynch

 

I think they stretched an originally intended 9 episodes out to 18, and most episodes end up with a slow pace because of it (because they hold on each shot longer before cutting to the next, have redundant dialogue instead of zipping through things, etc).  But not EVERY SINGLE episode ends up with a slow pace because of this, some are a little more "normal".

 

Ah, okay, I thought maybe the producers had a word with Lynch.

[Jay 37,346]

I am pretty sure all 18 episodes were completely finished before Showtime began airing any of them

[Quintus 5,399]

Showtime had no input or control. It's patently clear from start to finish.

[mstrox 6,651]

Lynch fought and almost walked out to get those extra nine hours.  For better or worse, this was his intention.  He believed that this was an 18 hour story.