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TWIN PEAKS - Beware Season 3 spoilers!

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3 minutes ago, Jay said:

I suppose we should watch the finale  ow that were home, eh? 

 

Watch it reflected through a mirror while playing Diane Keaton's season 2 directed episode upside down. It actually makes her contribution even worse.

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After the full-fat season three, i dunno if I will ever return to the compromised 90's series though.

 

It really never recovered after solving the murder. But the Diane Keaton one isn't as bad as the internet told me it was.

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13 hours ago, scallenger said:

Now THIS is really crazy! It makes me appreciate it a lot more now. Apparently episodes 17 and 18 can be watched in sync and play off each other in interesting ways...

 

https://medium.com/@onantiad/episodes-17-18-of-twin-peaks-the-return-are-meant-to-be-watched-in-sync-81352ce38e8

 

I don't agree with all points, but I really think there's something to this. Fascinating stuff

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As I said earlier in this thread, in many ways I prefer season 2 over season 1. The more mad it got, the better. OK, so the soap opera elements took a stronger hold, but the absurdity of it all was something that appeals to me. And it has some of the best overall episodes in the entire series (mostly those by Lynch himself).

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9 hours ago, Stefancos said:

Disagree!

 

Even the Windom Earle stuff is weak sauce. And the final episode is overrated.

 

Love the Windom Earle stuff. Part of the original appeal was to see one bad guy superseding the other. First, there was Leo. Then he was sort of superseded by the One Eyed Jack's people. Then they were superseded by Window Earle, which again was superseded by BOB. Great journey through a hierarchy of evil.

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1 hour ago, Stefancos said:

 

You make it sound like it was deliberately set up that way.

 

I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if it was (as in "let's introduce a new and worse baddie at this point!"). And even if it weren't, that's still my experience of it.

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The last time I rewatched Twin Peaks, which oh god must have been over ten years ago now, I was surprised how early the idea of Windom Earle was introduced (the very beginning of the second season, in a David Lynch episode).  I had always remembered him just sort of popping up out of nowhere after the crime was solved.  That's kind of the case, but seeds were still planted early on.

 

 

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Dang it Steef, this isn't subtext - it's text!

http://twinpeaks.wikia.com/wiki/Episode_9

At night, Cooper tells Diane about being troubled because of Windom Earle's disappearance and also because Audrey's absence touches him. Major Briggs visits and tells him that he has a message for him. He explains that his work includes maintenance of deep space monitors aimed at distant galaxies and they routinely receive communications that are gibberish and noise, or, "space garbage."

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Sorry to piss on pretentious projectors' bonfires, but The Return's exec producer Sabrina Sutherland, who was "intimately" involved in the production, just had an AMA session on Reddit all about it, and in which she states episodes were "definitely not" meant to be synched with anything.

 

That's all folks!

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Yeah, I saw that.  Other mildly interesting factoids:

 

Frost left writing before filming to take on his TP novels, and Lynch kept writing a little bit after that - all additional scenes were sent to Frost for review. 

 

Pretty much everything that was filmed was used. 

 

Some rewriting went on after the extension to 18 parts, but the big problem with Showtime's original 9-episode thought was that they assumed length based on page count, and not based on Lynch's filming style. 

 

The Return was not filmed like a regular TV series.  Instead, it was all filmed at once, then moved through the stages of postproduction one at a time - like a movie typically would.

 

She wants the answers to be interpreted and she has no extra info to give on them.

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2 hours ago, Quintus said:

Sorry to piss on pretentious projectors' bonfires, but The Return's exec producer Sabrina Sutherland, who was "intimately" involved in the production, just had an AMA session on Reddit all about it, and in which she states episodes were "definitely not" meant to be synched with anything.

 

That's all folks!

 

 

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Lynch on the possibility of a 4th series:

"It's too early to talk about that, if it were to happen, you wouldn't see anything in the next 2 or 3 years, because the last season took 5 years to make."

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Not sure how it does. To be honest, I don't quite understand why many people say that.

 

*Cooper goes back in time to try to save Laura Palmer, loses her and hears her scream.*

 

Random dude: Wow. That ending is SO much more satisfying than that bullshit Episode 18 ending!

 

Wut?

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1 hour ago, BloodBoal said:

Not sure how it does. To be honest, I don't quite understand why many people say that.

 

*Cooper goes back in time to try to save Laura Palmer, loses her and hears her scream.*

 

Random dude: Wow. That ending is SO much more satisfying than that bullshit Episode 18 ending!

 

Wut?

 

I'd have been okay with 17 being the finale. 

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That's the great thing about Lynch in this case. 17 feels like such an obvious finale in many ways -- with all the cast gathered in the sheriff's office at one point, and then the Julee Cruise song at the end. But he deliciously fucks us over by adding another chapter -- one that is far more stale, but fillled with all the more tension. I love it!

 

Hopefully, Lynch and Frost can make a new season within less than 5 years, if they are at all willing. Seems like a lot of the hurdles that made THE RETURN drag out, are no longer as present (all the Showtime shenanigans, for example).

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Part 17 feels like "the Twin Peaks finale" - and due to Cooper's return and the callbacks to FWWM and the pilot, it actually is the most "Twin Peaksy" Part of the whole Return.

 

Part 18 feels like "The Return finale" - in the sense that overall, The Return felt more like an unwieldy David Lynch movie, and the identity games are very much in keeping with Lost Highway especially.

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4 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

So you enjoy being fucked over, Thor?

 

The last ep is inexplicably really, for no good reason.

 

Twin Peaks ended with ep 17!

 

The last episode may have been my second favorite part of the whole thing (Pt 8 being the first).  It's certainly the one I've thought about the most.

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I had real problems with the first half of Part 17. All of the pieces set up through the length of the series - Andy, Naido, Green Glove Guy - didn't really pay off in any interesting way in my opinion.  Important characters only being bystanders (Cooper, Truman) or latecomers (Hawk, Bobby) while the green glove man had a cheesy boxing match with the BOB bubble.  The defeat of Mr. C and the redamnation of he and BOB to the Lodge would have been enough for me.  In addition to being generally cheesy, that boxing match retroactively took a lot of mystique out of the original series' depiction of BOB (and the haziness of whether BOB was actually just a manifestation of man's capacity for evil, or an actual demon) for me.

 

The end of Part 17 and all of Part 18 were amazing David Lynch cinema - to me, at least.

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36 minutes ago, Romão said:

Me too. It was disarming and deflating, almost infuriating, but it will linger with me much more than any other apparently happy ending could

 

Like being mugged, or assaulted? 

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We watched episode 17 the other night

 

I liked the more linear first half, that was kind of the actiony climax of the season.  Pretty straightforward as that bad cop tries to escape but gets stopped by Andy with help from the green glove guy (no closure on the bloody droolly guy in the cell though), Evil Coop arrives in Twin Peaks for... reasons? (I've long forgotten whatever his goals have been since getting out of jail).... and Coop returns to Twin Peaks!  Finally!  Not really sure about the writing where Lucy ends up being the one to shoot Evil Coop though, seemed wildly out of character (they usually write her as being kinda dumb, yet she puts 2 and 2 together that Coop being on the phone means the guy she just met that looks like Coop must be evil, so evil she should go to the Sheriff's office with a gun drawn?).  It was kinda weird that the green glove guy fighting BOB was drawn out for so long - seemed like he won, then they went through another whole round of the same thing anyway.

 

Anyways, after that was over, and Coop was reunited with all his friends, and even the casino guys where there to see, and the girls brought sandwiches!... things got weird.

 

The girl with no eyes turned out to be Diane all along?  That was odd.  And was was up with the image of Coop's face being superimposed over the screen for 10 minutes?  And then he gets his old room key, but it opens a basement door instead of his room door?  And then, the big thing I have an issue with: TIME TRAVEL!

 

I already didn't like it when in Episode 8, the Fireman in 1945 made an orb that looked like how Laura Palmer would look in 1989.  But now we've got Coop being sent back to 1989 and preventing Laura's murder?  (And god, they must have made us sit through 5+ straight minutes of footage identical to FWWM to get there)  It lessens the impact of her murder entirely if it can be prevented with time travel.  I don't like it!


It was neat seeing Pete & Catherine Martell on the morning he's supposed to find her body - was that some kind out outtake filmed back in the day, or amazing de-aging tech? (or was that scene actually just in the pilot, I don't remember), and it was neat to see Josie too, even though she didn't really do anything.

 

Anyways, I left the episode hoping the time travel thing of him preventing her death would be temporary and not the new timeline...

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