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TWIN PEAKS - Beware Season 3 spoilers!

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28 minutes ago, Quintus said:

This stuff has been being openly debated elsewhere for weeks; people are theorising that events aren't necessarily taking place in the same timeline.

 

This.

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But you guys mean the events happening in Twin Peaks and the events happening outside of the town, right?

 

LeBlanc was discussing events within the same storyline (Dougie and the casino brothers, Bobby's investigation, etc.).

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Right, I mean, what's the point of pausing the story of Coop with the casino brothers to show him placing baseball with his kid one week instead, then returning to it later.


What's the point of pausing the story of Bobby, Truman, and Hawk following leads left by Bobby's dad to show Bobby helping out when the restaurant is shot at, then returning to it weeks later.

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Meh. This show really doesn't need 18 episodes to tell the story it means to. So far, the first few and episode 8 are the keepers.

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Pure story wise there's about 4 hours of material. Probably 5 when the show finishes.

 

I really wonder if they didn't just pad out the originally proposed 10 episodes.

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5 hours ago, Jay said:

Right, I mean, what's the point of pausing the story of Coop with the casino brothers to show him placing baseball with his kid one week instead, then returning to it later.


What's the point of pausing the story of Bobby, Truman, and Hawk following leads left by Bobby's dad to show Bobby helping out when the restaurant is shot at, then returning to it weeks later.

 

Of all the issues, none of these actually bother me. It's the hours and hours of nothingness in between that have been the problem.

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Agreed. Twin Peaks is a surrealist fantasy. No needs for everything to fit together perfectly or make real-world sense.

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50 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

I really wonder if they didn't just pad out the originally proposed 10 episodes.

 

9, not 10. ;)

 

And, you wonder?

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Much better.

 

First proper Twin Peaks episode in a while.

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I wonder if she's been "in on it", for want of a better phrase, from the very start, then.

 

But yeah, interesting episode. Not ideal, but definitely what I wanted to see throughout this revival. I'm still thinking it's too late to save it now though.

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Decent episode.

 

I've never been one to call out for things "making sense" in this revival; nor am I interested in evaluating it based on traditional storytelling criteria. BUT...one thing bugged me in this one. If Dougie Jones is Diane's brother-in-law, then how come she has never recognized his resemblance to Cooper?

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44 minutes ago, Thor said:

I've never been one to call out for things "making sense" in this revival; nor am I interested in evaluating it based on traditional storytelling criteria. BUT...one thing bugged me in this one. If Dougie Jones is Diane's brother-in-law, then how come she has never recognized his resemblance to Cooper?

 

Well, they are estranged, so it's possible she's never seen him - but if so, why didn't she mention that? Or perhaps it's just yet another case of people in this show being oblivious to the obvious, like the Sheriff troupe doesn't really seem to care that mystery girl has no eyes, and basically everybody around Dougie Jones.

 

Also, what is it with this Billy character?

 

Wilson, how many times have I told you this is what we do in the FBI?

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9 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

Well, they are estranged, so it's possible she's never seen him - but if so, why didn't she mention that? Or perhaps it's just yet another case of people in this show being oblivious to the obvious, like the Sheriff troupe doesn't really seem to care that mystery girl has no eyes, and basically everybody around Dougie Jones.

 

Yeah, could be.

 

9 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

Also, what is it with this Billy character?

 

Wilson, how many times have I told you this is what we do in the FBI?

 

Great LOL moment, that one! Loved it.

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The structure of this season has worked directly against the plot. The whole Jackrabbit excursion thing, for example, that was last mentioned about 3 weeks or so ago, but we're all supposed to remember with ease exactly what was written on Major Briggs's note, oh and something to do with putting soil in their pockets. It's not very satisfying to have these big gaps between the very many active strands in the story, it harms the dramatic sweep.

 

But it was a good episode and I'll take it.

 

Game of Thrones is shitting all over this for me now though, I have to say (I hadn't once envisioned such a barmy scenario ever coming about, but that's where I am).

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I think it's possible Diane set up Janey-E and Dougie in the first place (remember she's in cahoots with the bad Coop, who seems to have ostensibly manufactured Dougie).

 

Also, I'm consistently surprised when I read this thread at how surprised people are by this season. In all honestly, it's not nearly as slow or as weird as I thought it would be (have none of you seen Inland Empire?). I'm loving it all, and this ep was one of the best of the bunch.

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I agree, I don't find the pace of this too slow at all. There's some slower moments that could have been cut down in some episodes, yes, but overall I think the pace of this series is faster than I expected, too. Also agree on it being faster paced than Inland Empire (which I was not really a fan of, compared to this).

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Its cool that you guys are absolutely loving it (many are judging by what I've seen online elsewhere), but I'm not sure why you're comparing 18 hours of Twin Peaks to 3 hours of Inland Empire. I'm not seeing the relevance.

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I don't think it's a matter of actual length. It's more about the feeling of it; and the amount of non-narrative elements. Despite oddball episodes, INLAND EMPIRE is in a whole other league (except maybe episode 8) compared to TWIN PEAKS. TWIN PEAKS seems far more reigned in.

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Yeah, I added the length of each respective work to highlight two differentials not one anyway.

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OK, caught up to the latest episode last night

 

16 hours ago, Thor said:

If Dougie Jones is Diane's brother-in-law, then how come she has never recognized his resemblance to Cooper?

 

She said in the episode her and her sister are estranged and haven't spoken in years; She probably met Dougie after their estrangement began.

 

 

 

 

15 hours ago, Quintus said:

The structure of this season has worked directly against the plot. The whole Jackrabbit excursion thing, for example, that was last mentioned about 3 weeks or so ago, but we're all supposed to remember with ease exactly what was written on Major Briggs's note, oh and something to do with putting soil in their pockets. It's not very satisfying to have these big gaps between the very many active strands in the story, it harms the dramatic sweep.

 

Completely agreed!!!

 

 

 

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But it was a good episode and I'll take it.

 

Pretty much how I feel too!

 

 

 

 

14 hours ago, DominicCobb said:

I think it's possible Diane set up Janey-E and Dougie in the first place (remember she's in cahoots with the bad Coop, who seems to have ostensibly manufactured Dougie).

 

Oh, I see... that's possible I guess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

SO........... WTF was up with that final Sarah Palmer scene?

Or another scene of brand new characters talking about... someone at the bar at the end?

 

 

 

 

There is a 0% chance all the.... I'll say 25 different plot threads this show is doing will be resolved in 2 1/2 weeks time!

 

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At least we didn't have another Audrey/husband fight this week.  Those are dreadful

 

I noticed this is the second episode of the season where Kyle MacLachlan barely appeared; 2 weeks ago his only scene was the brief baseball scene with Dougie's kid.  This week he only appeared in the flashback to FWWM movie, and the footage Andy saw in the ceiling of the white lodge

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True. But I at least find those scenes strangely watchable in as far as the twisted mystery of it.

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12 minutes ago, Jay said:

Or another scene of brand new characters talking about... someone at the bar at the end?

 

There is a 0% chance all the.... I'll say 25 different plot threads this show is doing will be resolved in 2 1/2 weeks time!

 

 

Audrey had her husband Charlie call Tina (who last saw Billy), and Charlie wouldn't tell Audrey what Tina said.  At the Roadhouse, the one woman is Tina's daughter, who confirmed the fact that Billy was "bleeding from the nose and mouth" like Audrey dreamed.  The other woman is David Lynch's IRL wife.

 

I actually liked this week's Roadhouse scene, as well as last week's Audrey scene, which gave a little insight into the unwieldy intro scene the week before.  And added some menace to Charlie.

 

What intrigues me is that the music in the Roadhouse got creepy when the name Tina was spoken.  What's so spooky about Tina?  Will we be surprised by a familiar face when we meet her?  Why can't Tina's daughter remember whether her uncle was there, and will that uncle also have a familiar face?  I feel like the Audrey/Charlie/Tina/Billy stuff might be key to some TP-located mystery.

 

Is Billy the guy in the jail cell whose nose and mouth were bleeding?  Who knows!  I'm sure there will be some modicum of clarity re: this eventually.

 

Gordon's dream sequence this week was equal parts awesome and foreboding - awesome because it was such an excellent sequence, but foreboding because it raises the possibility that "this is all a dream" - which some people have speculated re: a lot of weird continuity issues, some characters acting illogically, some characters forgetting important things.  I hope it isn't that - seems like a cop-out.

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7 minutes ago, mstrox said:

Gordon's dream sequence this week was equal parts awesome and foreboding - awesome because it was such an excellent sequence, but foreboding because it raises the possibility that "this is all a dream" - which some people have speculated re: a lot of weird continuity issues, some characters acting illogically, some characters forgetting important things.  I hope it isn't that - seems like a cop-out.

 

But who's the dreamer?

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9 minutes ago, mstrox said:

I'm sure there will be some modicum of clarity re: this eventually.

 

Can you really be sure though?

With so many open plot threads (I might have even undershot by guessing 25), is there any chance they'll all receive clarity in the final 4 hours of the show?

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2 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

 

But who's the dreamer?

 

Audrey!  Or Dougie!  Or, let's face it, it's probably Evelyn Marsh in a big reveal cameo.

Just now, Jay said:

 

Can you really be sure though?

With so many open plot threads (I might have even undershot by guessing 25), is there any chance they'll all receive clarity in the final 4 hours of the show?

 

I doubt there will be COMPLETE clarity - but the "Billy is missing" storyline was introduced tangentially in episode 12, and has been weaving in and out of three episodes in a row.  It also involves a major returning character.  I'd expect that we'll meet Tina and find out what happened to Billy.

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BTW, why was that weird guy in the jail cell openly bleeding in jail, and not in the hospital?

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What are the "big mysteries" of the mythos left, really?

 

I think the South Dakota mystery is solved "enough" - I assume that Matthew Lillard's interrogation was truthful.  He and his girlfriend met Major Briggs in a portal, and agents of the Lodge/Portal area killed the two of them.  Mr. C seemed to have something to do with the cover-up.

 

I think the New York mystery box has mainly been answered.  The box appears likely to be around a portal or entryway into this world.  It is financed by - unknown - but we know that Mr. C had something to do with it.  Financed by him or Philip Jeffries?  We have seen The Experiment appear in the box (and kill), and we have seen Cooper in there as well, in his descent through the stars before he ended up in the purple ocean space box.

 

 

So there are two big storylines awaiting resolution

 

Mr. C - what does he want (in Twin Peaks, based on coordinates) - at this point, I have three guesses.  1)  the gold entrance to the Fireman's place, which we just saw in Ep 14.  2)  Naido, the eyeless woman.  Reasons unknown.  3)  Sarah Palmer, or whatever is living inside her face. (My theory on that, BTW, is that Sarah was the girl at the end of episode 8 with the frog bug).  This will inevitably collide with the TP Sheriff's Dept.

 

Dougie and the awakening of Dale -  it's hard to see where this will go completely.  We know that through the Mysterious Powers of Dougie, he is rallying his troops.  He has the casino mafia on his side now, and everyone at work - even the guy who was tasked to kill him.  The Vegas branch of the FBI are now on the lookout for him, the cops have his DNA out.  Tim Roth and Jennifer Jason Leigh seem to be the last line of attack against him.  I feel like Roth/Leigh's arrival will result in some sort of clash, and that may wrap up the Las Vegas story somehow.

 

In the middle of those two are Gordon, Albert, Tammy, and double-agent Diane. They have clues to both of the above locations, so where they go next is anyone's guess.

 

I think four hours is enough to resolve that business.

 

What's left otherwise is a lot of smaller mysteries, which I have no doubt will be wrapped up to some extent.

 

Audrey/Billy/Tina

The Great Northern bell ringing

"Richard and Linda," from the Fireman in the first scene of the first episode.  We have met a Richard - Horne - and have heard a reference to a Linda (somebody in the trailer park with a wheelchair). 

 

And a lot of interpersonal storylines:

 

Shelly's daughter and her husband

Norma, her boyfriend, Ed

James and the married woman

Jerry Horne on the run

Shelly, Red, Red's drug ring (including recently arrested deputy)

 

A lot of the Roadhouse stuff, I'm just chalking up to small-town slice of life business, although it's possible some of the vignettes will make sense and tie in.

14 minutes ago, Jay said:

BTW, why was that weird guy in the jail cell openly bleeding in jail, and not in the hospital?

 

I read one theory that he wasn't actually there - wasn't acknowledged by Andy/Lucy, and the deputy may well have just been yelling at the eyeless woman.  The bloody man (or Billy?) may have been an apparition of the lodge.  Also interesting - he seemed to interact only in repetitions, like our man Dougie.

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11 minutes ago, mstrox said:

What's left otherwise is a lot of smaller mysteries, which I have no doubt will be wrapped up to some extent.

 

Audrey/Billy/Tina

The Great Northern bell ringing

"Richard and Linda," from the Fireman in the first scene of the first episode.  We have met a Richard - Horne - and have heard a reference to a Linda (somebody in the trailer park with a wheelchair). 

 

And a lot of interpersonal storylines:

 

Shelly's daughter and her husband

Norma, her boyfriend, Ed

James and the married woman

Jerry Horne on the run

Shelly, Red, Red's drug ring (including recently arrested deputy)

 

And the guy with the green glove!

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I remain optimistic the final 4 hours will be satisfying!

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The guy with the green glove... I bet there were Cockney fans cringing during his scene this week. Last time I checked, East Londoners only speak like that in the Call of Duty games.

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Loved this episode and I really like the scene with the guy with the green glove. This sort of detours and almost stand alone scenes, when they do work, realy elevate the show for me

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