Trent B 337 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 "It is a score that could be described as being among the awkward few that offer all substance and no style." - Cristian ClemmonnsonHe also recently commented about the Deluxe Edition."This music boldly goes nowhere, and it remains a major disappointment."I've always said he's an idiot and continue to believe that to this day.I for one love the Deluxe Edition of the score and I think a lot more people like it now in complete form. Just like with Star Trek IV The Voyage Home. A lot of people didn't like the score but once the complete version came out a lot of people changed their minds and now like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 I go back and forth about Rosenman's score. Sometimes I like it, sometimes I only dislike the corny part of the main theme, and sometimes I find all of his music a bit off-putting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 I dislike it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 I dislike itStar Trek IV?Although it's not for everyone. Being the Trekkie I am I like all the film scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 I really only like the main titles and its reprise. The rest is just there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 The Matrix Reloaded was from 2003, not 2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 No love for Signs or Road To Perdition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I skip much of the score between meeting Shinzon and Picard's kidnapping. Almost everything before and after that is pure Goldsmith sex to my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 No love for Signs or Road To Perdition?Immense love. But Jerry's last score... it's tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I skip much of the score between meeting Shinzon and Picard's kidnapping. Almost everything before and after that is pure Goldsmith sex to my ears.Just take a look at Joel. There's your Goldsmith sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 I'm happy to name Star Trek Nemesis as my favourite score of 2002 and my favourite of the TNG era. Something about it clicked with me when I first heard it in 2004 (I was late on this one). It had all the right ingredients that I loved about Jerry's music at the time, moodiness, prominent synths, suspenseful rhythms, menacing bad guy motifs, and hints of majesty here and there.I didn't mind the movie either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 No love for Signs or Road To Perdition?Immense love. But Jerry's last score... it's tough.This honor goes to LOONEY TUNES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 And Timeline before that.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Jerry's last 3 scores.Nemesis, for a film that flopped.Timeline....RejectedLooney Tunes...Flopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Nothing unusual for him then!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 No, totally fitting.The Maestro of underperforming cinema Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Timeline....Rejected...and flopped, inevitably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Yeah, I was not counting the unused Timeline and the... fun... Looney Tunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Star Trek: Nemesis was his last completed unsuccessful film project, yes. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 True. Nemesis was the last score composed entirely by him (Debney worked on Looney Toones), that wasnt rejected.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 And he did turn down scores like TOMB RAIDER and was rejected for a handful of others (THE KID, DOMESTIC DISTURBANCES), all united by one striking feature: they STANK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 He did plenty of others that also stank though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Yeah, but those were around a time he actually saw the end of his career coming and still went with formulaic thrillers. A workhorse if there ever was one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Maybe he actually liked crappy movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 The thought crossed my mind, too. But mostly he did them as favour to producers and directors it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Which reminds me, I've never heard Along Came a Spider...Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Just listen from 03:00, it's the only great cue from the score (The Ransom): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 From what I can hear, it's decent.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Its a decent score. But nothing really outstanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 It befits the potboiler movie. But Goldsmith never could and never did wrong when he brought on the macho french horn tunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 True. Goldsmith on auto pilot it still fucking awesome because of that.I have little interest in JW on auto pilot though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Depends. Williams in lilting melodic mode á la BOOK THIEF i can take, the chaotic dissonance less so (WOTW excepted). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 It befits the potboiler movie. But Goldsmith never could and never did wrong when he brought on the macho french horn tunes.And the big booming timpanis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Congo is a good movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Only on JWFan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 True. Nemesis was the last score composed entirely by him (Debney worked on Looney Toones), that wasnt rejected....Wasn't it they had to rewrite and reshoot the ending, but Jerry wasn't available to rescore it? If so, as far as he was concerned, it was finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Don't know about any reshoots. I do know Jerry become to sick to work on the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Yeah the DVD has an alternate ending in the extra features, which features the music pretty much as it appears on album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Still flopped though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Needs a Deluxe Edition treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 And he did turn down scores like TOMB RAIDER and was rejected for a handful of others (THE KID, DOMESTIC DISTURBANCES), all united by one striking feature: they STANK!I didn't know he was first choice for Tomb Raider. That could have been a great score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Just want to add that nothing quite beats reading an Ebola article on the Beeb while listening to "The Box" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Just want to add that nothing quite beats reading an Ebola article on the Beeb while listening to "The Box"Oh nooo, lol. BTW I still love the Deluxe Edition for this release. crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 26, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2014 Listening to this score again. I bloody love this score. The eerie dissonance, the anguishing finality, the pulsating Reman rhythms, the majestic callbacks to TMP.There's a lot of powerful anger, ferocity and tension in this music - I think a lot more thought and emotion went into it than most perhaps realise. Many accuse it of autopilotisis and think it sounds lethargic and past its prime, and while that may be true to an extent, I think the menacing atmosphere and bombast maintains the momentum all throughout.It remains a controversial entry because not everyone can seem to agree over its quality, but I think that speaks well of its power since we're still discussing it indepth 12 years later. BLUMENKOHL, Trent B and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 It's awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted November 26, 2014 Author Share Posted November 26, 2014 I've lately been loving on the track "Not Functional"It starts deceptively mundanely, and turns into this strange mixture of science-fiction and almost Gothic Horror around a minute in. The music could be just as appropriate for Dracula as it is for Shinzon.By around 1:17, I could see this scoring a camera panning through the spires of a Gothic Castle Shinzon. I wonder if the blood-sucking nature of Shinzon explains some of the Gothic/Draculean flavors Goldsmith went for? Hell, Shinzon's henchmen were fucking Nosferatu look-alikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 One particular passage that I've always loved was 1:47-2:03 in Lateral Run. The menacing urgency of this passage is effective and also (from memory) seems reminiscent of some of the Stripe material from Gremlins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Listening to this score again. I bloody love this score. The eerie dissonance, the anguishing finality, the pulsating Reman rhythms, the majestic callbacks to TMP.There's a lot of powerful anger, ferocity and tension in this music - I think a lot more thought and emotion went into it than most perhaps realise. Many accuse it of autopilotisis and think it sounds lethargic and past its prime, and while that may be true to an extent, I think the menacing atmosphere and bombast maintains the momentum all throughout.It remains a controversial entry because not everyone can seem to agree over its quality, but I think that speaks well of its power since we're still discussing it indepth 12 years later.I've always felt the complete score gave it more depth than the OST, especially now that we have the real complete version with nothing missing. People were in the right to shit on the OST because of how bad of a listening experience it is.I have read quite a few posts on both here and FSM that people have changed their minds about this score and now like it because of the Deluxe Edition. I do feel that people need to get this one more of a chance in complete form. There's a lot of interesting material and I'm glad that Goldsmith was able to score it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Is there a better thread-starting post than this one anywhere on JWFan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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