BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 AAAAAAARRRGGGGH!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 23, 2014 Author Share Posted January 23, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Indeed. I think this is great idea, scouring the planet for great talent! Well, "planet" is not exactly right. The competition is restricted to people living in the US, Australia, Canada, Germany and Sweden(!) only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Hans Zimmer Wants You!!And I don't want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Indeed. I think this is great idea, scouring the planet for great talent! Well, "planet" is not exactly right. The competition is restricted to people living in the US, Australia, Canada, Germany and Sweden(!) only.Rich white people countries! Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Fascist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 This is a great idea, good one Hans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 He's scouting for talent? Is he in shortage of new ideas?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Hans wants to rope in young talent before they have a chance to strike out on their own! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I'm afraid so. But one day his victims will tell their story to the world: "I Was Zimmer's Ghost Composer" or "How Hans Dried Me Up". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Traumatized victims on Dr. Phil and Oprah, telling their horror stories on how they were forced to work according to a grueling and creatively stifling business model!"White keys only!" He screamed in German...."WHITE KEYS ONLY!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 BUT I DON'T WANT HANS ZIMMER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Black keys only, Steef, much easier.(oh, white keys, I get it now, oh god) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Hans Zimmer Wants You!!And I don't want him.+1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Here's an article about it in The Guardian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Doesn't D minor require black and white keys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 This would be cool if it was actually a composition contest. But it isn't. You're supposed to use the stems (the samples of the theme they give you) they give you and out it together in any combination you see fit. How is that composing? Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 23, 2014 Author Share Posted January 23, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Hans Zimmer is God!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 *sigh*If I can pop my head out of the tireless Zimmer bashing and cheap oneliners for a brief moment, an aspect of his career that has always impressed is his eye for talent and the way he recruits great composers -- whether it's through Remote Control or his collaborative efforts otherwise. This is a new strategy -- maybe just a one-off, but intriguing nonetheless. I'd love to see what comes of it. Of course, the winner doesn't automatically get employed, he or she only lands the opportunity for a job interview.I'll be following this contest with great interest. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Who gives a shit? This theme sounds so epic, it makes me want to become a composer!Oh, and additionally, it gives me a boner.I very nearly spit my coffee at the screen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I wasn't bashing Zimmer, I'm just pointing out my confusion for this contest. Can we submit original material while using his theme, or is it just editing together his clips? Since it looks more like the latter, how is this scouting for compositional talent? Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 If its anything, its arranging (or whatever the term is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Zimmer is not looking for talent, he wants to prevent talent from growing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I wasn't bashing Zimmer, I'm just pointing out my confusion for this contest. Can we submit original material while using his theme, or is it just editing together his clips? Since it looks more like the latter, how is this scouting for compositional talent?You kind of answered your own question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Any of you read the actual page? This isn't a composing gig for RCP, it's for Extreme Music/Bleeding Fingers, who specialize in creating large sample libraries used in reality TV shows and trailers. They're using HZ as a marketing tool. Most of the old MV crew did a lot of work for Extreme Music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 No, it's Hans Zimmer using this seemingly innocent looking company to recruit and brainwash promising young talent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 *sigh* If I can pop my head out of the tireless Zimmer bashing and cheap oneliners for a brief moment, an aspect of his career that has always impressed is his eye for talent and the way he recruits great composers -- whether it's through Remote Control or his collaborative efforts otherwise. This is a new strategy -- maybe just a one-off, but intriguing nonetheless. I'd love to see what comes of it. Of course, the winner doesn't automatically get employed, he or she only lands the opportunity for a job interview. I'll be following this contest with great interest. This would be cool if it was actually a composition contest. But it isn't. You're supposed to use the stems (the samples of the theme they give you) they give you and out it together in any combination you see fit. How is that composing? I wasn't bashing Zimmer, I'm just pointing out my confusion for this contest. Can we submit original material while using his theme, or is it just editing together his clips? Since it looks more like the latter, how is this scouting for compositional talent? How do you answer that, Thor? He's right. This isn't composing, it's digital brick laying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 He doesn't want you. He needs you!Zimmer is nothing but a bunch of chords without his team of ghost writers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 The last noteworthy talent to come out of Hans' stable is John Powell..and that was many moons ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 This thread is one big circlejerk of musical ignorance. Koray Savas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 If its anything, its arranging (or whatever the term is).It's not even arranging. It's editing a bunch of tracks.This thread is one big circlejerk of musical ignorance.How? Putting aside the Zimmer jokes, I think valid points about this contest are being brought up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 He doesn't want you. He needs you!Zimmer is nothing but a bunch of chords without his team of ghost writers. He's a shapeless ghost lurking in the shadows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 If its anything, its arranging (or whatever the term is).It's not even arranging. It's editing a bunch of tracks. This thread is one big circlejerk of musical ignorance.How? Putting aside the Zimmer jokes, I think valid points about this contest are being brought up. Well, putting aside the Zimmer jokes, there's little being said about Zimmer. And Faleel I think explained what the contest is all about well enough. It's more about arranging and the sort of thing that we know folks in Zimmer's "band," or in this case whatever the musical group is, are expected to know how to do, rather than outright composing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 *sigh*If I can pop my head out of the tireless Zimmer bashing and cheap oneliners for a brief moment, an aspect of his career that has always impressed is his eye for talent and the way he recruits great composers -- whether it's through Remote Control or his collaborative efforts otherwise. This is a new strategy -- maybe just a one-off, but intriguing nonetheless. I'd love to see what comes of it. Of course, the winner doesn't automatically get employed, he or she only lands the opportunity for a job interview.I'll be following this contest with great interest.This would be cool if it was actually a composition contest. But it isn't. You're supposed to use the stems (the samples of the theme they give you) they give you and out it together in any combination you see fit. How is that composing? I wasn't bashing Zimmer, I'm just pointing out my confusion for this contest. Can we submit original material while using his theme, or is it just editing together his clips? Since it looks more like the latter, how is this scouting for compositional talent?How do you answer that, Thor?He's right. This isn't composing, it's digital brick laying.Answer what? If you listen to the clips, you'll see that many of them have taken the Zimmer template in many different directions -- some good, some not so good. But the good ones are clearly made by people with good composition chops too. It doesn't really matter what he's looking for, though -- composers or arrangers. The interesting thing here is the method of recruiting.To be honest, the constant Zimmer bashing and cheap shots made in this thread (and elsewhere) is the very reason I don't feel comfortable in this place. And it doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that he is one of my favourite composers -- I would have felt the same way no matter who it was. I take my film music interest very seriously, and I appreciate good, constructive debate (whether pro or con). I detest cheap shots and personal attacks. Just drags everything down to kindergarten level, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 *sigh* If I can pop my head out of the tireless Zimmer bashing and cheap oneliners for a brief moment, an aspect of his career that has always impressed is his eye for talent and the way he recruits great composers -- whether it's through Remote Control or his collaborative efforts otherwise. This is a new strategy -- maybe just a one-off, but intriguing nonetheless. I'd love to see what comes of it. Of course, the winner doesn't automatically get employed, he or she only lands the opportunity for a job interview. I'll be following this contest with great interest. This would be cool if it was actually a composition contest. But it isn't. You're supposed to use the stems (the samples of the theme they give you) they give you and out it together in any combination you see fit. How is that composing? I wasn't bashing Zimmer, I'm just pointing out my confusion for this contest. Can we submit original material while using his theme, or is it just editing together his clips? Since it looks more like the latter, how is this scouting for compositional talent? How do you answer that, Thor? He's right. This isn't composing, it's digital brick laying. Answer what? If you listen to the clips, you'll see that many of them have taken the Zimmer template in many different directions -- some good, some not so good. I don't think you understand. The clips aren't separate pieces, they are the different instrumental instrumental groups or 'stems' that made up the original piece (strings, trombones/horns, trumpet, synths, male chorus, wailing woman, percussion etc.). These were all recorded separately which each pass, a modern technique known as 'striping.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Yes, I know, but I'm not sure about the relevance?If you listen the various remixes, you'll hear that the applicants have taken those stems and ran with it -- even added their own elements.Besides, it's beside the point WHAT this contest is for. My interest was in the method of recruitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Exactly. I just read the rules, and apparently you have to use those stems, any compositions not using those stems will not be considered and removed during the judging time.Which begs the question, who exactly is this contest aimed for? I mean there's only a finite amount of competitions you can do in a 90sec interval with a set of pre-determined clips. Where does the creativity and "composing" part come into it? I guess you can modify the stems with some techniques...but I then this contest becomes something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 My guess is that the competition is for good composers who have great skills in arrangement. John Williams would have been good at this back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 My guess is that the competition is for good composers who have great skills in arrangement. John Williams would have been good at this back in the day.But the level of musical sophistication in those days was higher by a wide margin. The narrow realm of RCP-instant-brew cloning offers you relatively few opportunities to show off beyond 'i can do louder'. I have listened to some of the clips and aesthetically they are depressingly mundane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 But the skill being measured isn't arranging though. You have much more freedom with writing arrangements, and that's very much a musical skill. The most you can do here is digitally enhance or distort the provided sounds, and determine their placement in the selected time interval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 This is just sampling and processing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 It's too late now. Thor will stubbornly cling to everything he said since post#5... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Even Jason could do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,320 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 No offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Hans Zimmer is not in the business of allowing smarter, younger composers outclass him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I wonder if any of you have actually HEARD the submitted clips? Sure, there's a great deal of 'meh' material there (that's natural when you go out so broadly), but also some really good ones. So good, in fact, that it doesn't only require an arranger of some talent, but a COMPOSER of some talent. It's a bit like that cooking program where the contestants get a package of raw materials and make the best dish out of it that they can. I think that's quite an interesting idea.Which is why it is apt to use the old adage 'the proof is in the pudding'. I'm looking forward to hearing the winners.But I have to reiterate again that my interest isn't so much in the contents of this contest as it is the way it is being done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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