FilmManiac79 6 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Let's figure out all of the times a John Williams score references another Williams score.Example: the "Yoda" reference in "E.T." during "The Magic of Halloween".I know a few other examples, but I would like to hear others chime in.(and these would be INTENTIONAL references...not when part of a score sounds like another score) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Chrissie Takes Another Swim in 1941. JAWS quote in The Conversation from CE3K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 CE3K in 1941 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Well that just about covers it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,651 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 While not a direct quote, Yoda's departure from Kashyki (whatever the spelling) seems to be an homage to the ET departure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Although it's the same movie series, I'd include the statement of the Ark theme in Last Crusade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Well then we can count the Basket Game quote in ToD as well!But I feel these same franchise quotes do not really count as they belong in the same musical universe even though they reference previous event. E.g. KotCS is full of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 And the Ark theme in KOTCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 And the Ark theme in KOTCSThere are many moments that either quote old themes or are near note-for-note renditions of previous material in KotCS. The score screams "nostalgia". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmManiac79 6 Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 How about in "Dracula" the track "To Castle Brunwald"...nearly the same as "Last Crusade"s "Journey to Austria" (when they are heading to Castle Brunwald??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 To Castle Brunwald and Journey to Austria are just different names for the same track in The Last Crusade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmManiac79 6 Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 To Castle Brunwald and Journey to Austria are just different names for the same track in The Last CrusadeThat may be, but I was referring to the "Dracula" score...which has a track titled "To Castle Brunwald"...which is the same, or extremely similar, as "Last Crusade". I'm assuming Williams referenced it in "Last Crusade" since they were going to the same place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I have seen the Badham Dracula only once years ago. I have no recollection of this particular cue. Interesting notion though, could be a kind of composer inside joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I don't think that's likely. Castle Brunwald was the name given to the Austrian castle in the Last Crusade, and there isn't any mention of said castle in Dracula. My guess is someone took the Last Crusade bootleg track (back in the day when the track still wasn't oficially released), and made it appear as being part of the Dracula unreleased score.Like this examplehttp://www.youtuberepeater.com/watch?v=d6LvR5AD01g&name=08+To+Castle+Brunwald+Dracula+1979+SoundtrackThis is the Last Crusade track, someone just attributed it to the wrong score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Awwww bugger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 JFK drumroll in Nixon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 The Stat Wars main theme kind of appears in HPSS (when Harry sees the Hogwarts Express)I'm not sure it it's a coincidence of notes or deliberate by Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmManiac79 6 Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 I don't think that's likely. Castle Brunwald was the name given to the Austrian castle in the Last Crusade, and there isn't any mention of said castle in Dracula. My guess is someone took the Last Crusade bootleg track (back in the day when the track still wasn't oficially released), and made it appear as being part of the Dracula unreleased score.Like this examplehttp://www.youtuberepeater.com/watch?v=d6LvR5AD01g&name=08+To+Castle+Brunwald+Dracula+1979+SoundtrackThis is the Last Crusade track, someone just attributed it to the wrong scoreOk, after very minor research I find that you are absolutely right about that. You see, I had downloaded from Youtube what I thought was the score for "Dracula", since after briefly glancing at the track listing on Amazon, it appeared to be correct. When listening to it, I heard the track we are talking about and thought, "Wow, that sounds just like in Last Crusade". Seeing the track was titled "To Castle Brunwald", I figured that was rather brilliant. Having never seen "Dracula", I just assumed "Castle Brunwald" was an actual place used in both films.The rest of the album appears to be correct...so I'm just curious to why someone would stick a track from "Last Crusade" in the middle...DUMB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 How can you listen to a lossy mp3 downloaded from Youtube???!!!(I used to, before I wised up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmManiac79 6 Posted March 26, 2014 Author Share Posted March 26, 2014 How can you listen to a lossy mp3 downloaded from Youtube???!!!(I used to, before I wised up)Oh believe me, I'd rather not. But since I've gone on a Williams binge lately, getting the La La Land records 1941, Hook, Home Alone 2, The Fury, plus several others from Amazon, funds are rather limited. I've been tempted by Dracula, but not at the price (at least not now). Inferior MP3 is better than nothing (for me anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 JFK drumroll in Nixon.Ah that's right. Although with Oliver Stone it is somewhat difficult to be exactly sure as he could have tracked that in like he tracked Born on the Fourth of July in JFK in one instance. But I would veer toward Williams intentionally quoting himself in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Although with Oliver Stone it is somewhat difficult to be exactly sure as he could have tracked that in like he tracked Born on the Fourth of July in JFK in one instance. What was the BOTFOJ cue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Although with Oliver Stone it is somewhat difficult to be exactly sure as he could have tracked that in like he tracked Born on the Fourth of July in JFK in one instance.What was the BOTFOJ cue?Cua Viet River, Vietnam. Heard in the scene where Garrison tells how Lee Harvey Oswald had a sort of staged fight in the street with a Cuban for handing out pro-Castro leaflets. But I should re-check to make sure I am not speaking of Castle Brunwald-type of situation again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 The Stat Wars main theme kind of appears in HPSS (when Harry sees the Hogwarts Express) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozmo 13 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 There's a couple of seconds in 'Reunion [in the Tent]' that always calls to mind the Death Star (?) motif from Star Wars. About 2m50s in: Although it's missing a note of course. Clutching at straws anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 There's a difference between being a reference and a slight accidental similarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Great topic.From Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone (OST)... "Platform Nine-and-Three-Quarters and The Journey to Hogwarts" (2:32-2:37), Mr. Williams briefly foreshadows the Banquet theme then concludes the cue with a reference from "Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas" from Home Alone 2. He even carries-over the grace note.Did anyone else catch this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I thought the moment when Harry attacks the troll had a SW reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmManiac79 6 Posted March 29, 2014 Author Share Posted March 29, 2014 Thanks for the posts everyone. I knew about most of these, but I was hoping there were more that I was unaware of. I had just bought the expanded "1941" and heard "Encounters"...which led me to starting this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,514 Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 "Jaws" in "CE3K"?CE3K" in "1941"?Eh..? Where?I hear "CE3K" in "ID4", but that is a whole other story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmManiac79 6 Posted March 30, 2014 Author Share Posted March 30, 2014 "Jaws" in "CE3K"?CE3K" in "1941"?Eh..? Where?I hear "CE3K" in "ID4", but that is a whole other story...In "CE3K", during the track "Wild Signals" right near the end.In "1941", during the track "Encounters". This is only on the expanded soundtrack, and was not used in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 I hear "CE3K" in "ID4", but that is a whole other story...Ohh, where?On a side note, I remember this friend in primary school who thought ID4 was a sequel to Close Encounters of the Third Kind because is was the "fourth encounter". He was serious about it! Funny bugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,514 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 "Jaws" in "CE3K"?CE3K" in "1941"?Eh..? Where?I hear "CE3K" in "ID4", but that is a whole other story...In "CE3K", during the track "Wild Signals" right near the end.In "1941", during the track "Encounters". This is only on the expanded soundtrack, and was not used in the film.I don't have the expanded score, but I do have the expanded boot, sourced from the laserdisc. Is it on that, and, if so, what's it called? Which part of the film does it underscore.I hear "CE3K" in "ID4", but that is a whole other story...Ohh, where?On a side note, I remember this friend in primary school who thought ID4 was a sequel to Close Encounters of the Third Kind because is was the "fourth encounter". He was serious about it! Funny bugger.It is part of the "escape" sequence, as everyone tries to get out of The White House. It builds up to the opening "note" of the "CE3K" main title. I think it's even in the same key!I'll find out exactly what track it's on asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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