Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Pointless thread is pointless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 So much hate! How can anyone stand against such reckless hate!??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 Pointless thread is pointless?I think there's a massive need for such a thread. We have polls on what composers are overrated, and there's no shortage of hate to be spewed in all directions for almost every composer out there. Why not have it all in one place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,008 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 We should have "The Official Aggression Diffusion Thread".Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 That was actually my intent with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 It'll never work. The hate is strong in this place, it will always seep into every corner and crevass of this forum.Your efforts are futile Pilgrim. Join us and fall into despair and reckless hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 Nothing is less possible than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Tyler Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I see nothing wrong with this thread. It's just charting personal preference.There are some composers I haven't been able to "get" yet -- like Desplat, Giacchino and Shore. Or among the dead guys, composers like Barry and Steiner, for example. My door is still open for all of these, but I would say it's a 90-10 percentage of dislike vs. like.Then there is a long list of composers who are very "on/off" to me, meaning I can really like them one moment, but then really dislike them the next with almost systematic frequency. Ennio Morricone is such a composer. Patrick Doyle another. Several other examples too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 I'd love it if this thread absorbed most of the masturbatory down-talking of the usual suspects (Shore, Zimmer) that serves only to gratify the egos of those involved by assuring them of the veracity of their distaste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Zimmer and RCPSantaollala because he robbed Williams of 2 Oscars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I don't dislike composers but scores. Sadly there are too many scores I dislike from the past decade, most of them by composers who used to write very decent film music in the '90s and early '00s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Tyler Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Hate's a strong word. If I had to choose a composer I dislike, rather than hate... man, that's a tough one. I guess I'll go with Zimmer post-2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 As said, 'hate' is strong word but these composers do nothing for me or worse, grate on my nerves. Trevor Rabin Kevin Kliner Brian Tyler Steve Jablonsky Tyler Bates Christopher Beck John Debney Clint Mansell Michel Rubini Carmen Dragon David Arnold is borderline, but is saved by a couple of good scores/cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I don't dislike composers but scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I don't dislike composers but scores. Sadly there are too many scores I dislike from the past decade, most of them by composers who used to write very decent film music in the '90s and early '00s.JNH?Silvestri? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 And Horner and Elfman (according to some) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,008 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Oh god. Everybody's shit. Let's move on!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 That's the point of the thread Karol. Hopefully it will remain contained here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2014 I don't dislike composers but scores. Sadly there are too many scores I dislike from the past decade, most of them by composers who used to write very decent film music in the '90s and early '00s.The old ways are gone. Zimmer and his MIDI keyboards have successfully snubbed out any hint of creativity there was left.Gia still caries the torch for "good old fashioned" orchestral music, but he simply lacks the talent and finesse of the masters he chose to emulate.*swigs from bottle*Do you...remember Ricard. The 80's. The 90's. Every year you's get a new score from the likes of Silvesti, Goldsmith, Kamen, Poledouris...*Belches*Sure...not everyone of them was a new "The Final Conflict" or "Brazil", but they would put out consistently enjoyable works. Distinctive of the composers own personal style.*Whipes face with sleeve*In those days composers didnt try to all sound the same, or conform to a certain popular style. And they were real composers!How the fuck do people like Henry Jackman or Ramin Djawadi get to do the big summer block buster scores that used to be done by people who's music had character...personality???A Michael Kamen score.....*swigs from bottle, booze goes into lungs, all but trows up*A Michael Kamen score had a certain style. It was distinctly different from one written by Goldsmith, or Poledouris, Horner, JW etc. And Kamen's scores were recognizably his own. Sounding like Kamen, even if they were as different as Die Hard and The Three Musketeers are...you can hear the composers fingerprints.*stares into screen for minutes*That's what is missing these days! dtw42, Quintus, Gruesome Son of a Bitch and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Almost all true, but Jackman DID show early promise with his sadly looooong forgotten Kick Ass score, which bordered on magical brilliance and was unheard of outside of LotR. Like another bastard great white no-hope through, Jackman squandered his chances and soon opted to instead fit into the working man's mould as was asked of him and other integrity-less composers before him. *shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 . Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 Carmen DragonBut the man could do a mean Christmas carol arrangement.I'm quite pleased with how this thread is turning out. Come one, come all - bring your disapproving know-it-all-ness and tell us who just doesn't make the cut, who is unworthy of gracing your precious ears with their mediocrity! No no, don't bother making the same old points in every other thread. Do it here! Kühni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Film music sucks. All film composers are just talentless hacks of the greats, you know, the guys who wrote REAL music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Daft Punk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Every composer I've heard of seems to be very likable. Bernard Herrmann seemed to suffer from anger issues, but that in a way made him charming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Almost all true, but Jackman DID show early promise with his sadly looooong forgotten Kick Ass score, which bordered on magical brilliance and was unheard of outside of LotR. Like another bastard great white no-hope through, Jackman squandered his chances and soon opted to instead fit into the working man's mould as was asked of him and other integrity-less composers before him. *shrugs*Integrity-less? So unemployment checks and integrity vs. loads of money and some conformity? What would you choose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Don't know his name, but whoever did the music for Amadeus couldn't write for shit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 We should have "The Official Aggression Diffusion Thread".KarolPet Peeves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Whenever I hear any modern film music, I feel like that time traveler guy on TNG when he walks in on Data listening to a shitload of symphonic music simultaneously."WHAT IN GOD'S NAME IS THAT?!"Computer, eliminate program Zimmer 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Almost all true, but Jackman DID show early promise with his sadly looooong forgotten Kick Ass score, which bordered on magical brilliance and was unheard of outside of LotR. Like another bastard great white no-hope through, Jackman squandered his chances and soon opted to instead fit into the working man's mould as was asked of him and other integrity-less composers before him. *shrugs*Integrity-less? So unemployment checks and integrity vs. loads of money and some conformity? What would you choose?That's fine of course, so long as you don't ever expect to be considered an artist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marcus 390 Posted May 14, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2014 Film composers -and other hard working artisans in general- have my sympathy. I don't really harbor hate, but I've sometimes been saddened by the ineptitude, ignorance and distrust I've witnessed from various kinds of "cultural beurocrats" (producers from all walks, financers etc.).Having to deal with people whose aim is only to streamline a product -to make it less dissimilar to whatever they believe to be the pre-existing expectation-, can be a very taxing and disheartening experience.And that's unfortunately something you're likely to run into as a film composer. I've seen talented colleagues make careers out of writing "down", and it's never a pretty sight. It's bad for your soul. Dixon Hill, Sharkissimo and dtw42 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 That just happens to be the nature of the industry. I can't think of any other art where the business and creative aspects are so woven together. You are hired for a specific purpose, and if your boss doesn't like what you're doing, you're out. I don't think that makes anyone less of an artist, if you compromise your personal vision for that of the person paying you to do what they want you to do. I'm sure every composer has been through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 With very different results, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I don't think that makes anyone less of an artist, if you compromise your personal vision for that of the person paying you to do what they want you to do. I'm sure every composer has been through it. Not Benny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I miss personalities like Herrmann's. But I keep thinking he wouldn't be able to make it in today's ruthless industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brown 91 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I don't think that makes anyone less of an artist, if you compromise your personal vision for that of the person paying you to do what they want you to do. I'm sure every composer has been through it.Not Benny.Hitchcock: "Well, come around when you get hungry."Herrmann: "I’ll tell you something. When I get hungry, I go to Chasen’s." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I don't think that makes anyone less of an artist, if you compromise your personal vision for that of the person paying you to do what they want you to do. I'm sure every composer has been through it.What personal vision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,520 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 As said, 'hate' is strong word but these composers do nothing for me or worse, grate on my nerves.Trevor RabinKevin KlinerBrian TylerSteve JablonskyTyler BatesChristopher BeckJohn DebneyClint MansellMichel RubiniCarmen DragonDavid Arnold is borderline, but is saved by a couple of good scores/cues.Can't say I've heard many of those composers' works, but Trevor Rabin was a much better "composer" when he was in Yes.I don't dislike composers but scores. Sadly there are too many scores I dislike from the past decade, most of them by composers who used to write very decent film music in the '90s and early '00s.The old ways are gone. Zimmer and his MIDI keyboards have successfully snubbed out any hint of creativity there was left.Gia still caries the torch for "good old fashioned" orchestral music, but he simply lacks the talent and finesse of the masters he chose to emulate.*swigs from bottle*Do you...remember Ricard. The 80's. The 90's. Every year you's get a new score from the likes of Silvesti, Goldsmith, Kamen, Poledouris...*Belches*Sure...not everyone of them was a new "The Final Conflict" or "Brazil", but they would put out consistently enjoyable works. Distinctive of the composers own personal style.*Whipes face with sleeve*In those days composers didnt try to all sound the same, or conform to a certain popular style. And they were real composers!How the fuck do people like Henry Jackman or Ramin Djawadi get to do the big summer block buster scores that used to be done by people who's music had character...personality???A Michael Kamen score.....*swigs from bottle, booze goes into lungs, all but trows up*A Michael Kamen score had a certain style. It was distinctly different from one written by Goldsmith, or Poledouris, Horner, JW etc. And Kamen's scores were recognizably his own. Sounding like Kamen, even if they were as different as Die Hard and The Three Musketeers are...you can hear the composers fingerprints.*stares into screen for minutes*That's what is missing these days!A very strong candidate for the best post by Steef, ever. Laugh-out-loud funny.Daft Punk?Wha' ? "Tron: Legacy" was the best score of 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I don't think that makes anyone less of an artist, if you compromise your personal vision for that of the person paying you to do what they want you to do. I'm sure every composer has been through it.Not Benny.Every composer can't be Herrmann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,520 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Whether they know it, or not, every composer tries to be Herrmann. He is the template from which all film music is derived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 As said, 'hate' is strong word but these composers do nothing for me or worse, grate on my nerves.Trevor RabinKevin Kliner (sic)Brian TylerSteve JablonskyTyler BatesChristopher Beck (sic)John DebneyClint MansellMichel RubiniCarmen DragonDavid Arnold is borderline, but is saved by a couple of good scores/cues.I'd agree with you on most of those, but Clint Mansell? Sure, he's written some bad scores (World Traveler, Knockaround Guys), but at his best (Requiem for a Dream, The Fountain, Sahara), he's better than anybody not named Williams, Shore, or Horner working today. I've disliked most of Debney's work, but The Stoning of Soraya M was really good. Also, with some of his more recent stuff, Brian Tyler has started to show some promise.A couple more names you could add to the list are John Murphy and David Wingo. I had insanely high hopes for Marc Streitenfeld after American Gangster, but he hasn't written anything that even qualifies as mediocre since. Additionally, I could probably write an extended essay about how I feel conflicted about Hans Zimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Wow, I feel like I keep up to date with what's going on in the film score world, but I've never heard of David Wingo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Wow, I feel like I keep up to date with what's going on in the film score world, but I've never heard of David Wingo....He's done a bunch of small indie movies. All of his stuff is pretty much indie rock guitar+occasional piano. It's not necessarily bad music, just very forgettable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Wow, I feel like I keep up to date with what's going on in the film score world, but I've never heard of David Wingo....Me neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 18, 2014 Author Share Posted May 18, 2014 That's funny. I just watched Mud. His score was just kind of there. Not really the kind of film that needs much more though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 As said, 'hate' is strong word but these composers do nothing for me or worse, grate on my nerves.Trevor RabinKevin Kliner (sic)Brian TylerSteve JablonskyTyler BatesChristopher Beck (sic)John DebneyClint MansellMichel RubiniCarmen DragonDavid Arnold is borderline, but is saved by a couple of good scores/cues.I'd agree with you on most of those, but Clint Mansell? Sure, he's written some bad scores (World Traveler, Knockaround Guys), but at his best (Requiem for a Dream, The Fountain, Sahara), he's better than anybody not named Williams, Shore, or Horner working today.Sorry, but those scores are just not my cup of tea ('Lux Aeterna' is nails-on-a-chalkboard for me, and The Fountain is what imagine they pipe through PA systems in hell's waiting room, along with Elbow's One Day Like This and Barry Manilow Greatest Hits). I prefer Pop Will Eat Itself.Not familiar with David Wingo, but Marc Streitenfeld and John Murphy are great picks.As said, 'hate' is strong word but these composers do nothing for me or worse, grate on my nerves.Trevor RabinKevin KlinerBrian TylerSteve JablonskyTyler BatesChristopher BeckJohn DebneyClint MansellMichel RubiniCarmen DragonDavid Arnold is borderline, but is saved by a couple of good scores/cues.Can't say I've heard many of those composers' works, but Trevor Rabin was a much better "composer" when he was in Yes.Not a Yes fan as you know, but I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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