Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Gareth Edwards 2016)

[Will 2,215]

Huh. This is strange - but cool! Every time we think Lucas has no involvement in Star Wars anymore, something suggests otherwise. 

 

 

So apparently the falling out over TFA wasn't complete! That's a good sign. Hopefully he can at least consult a little more in the future and he and Lucasfilm/Disney can repair relations. He may executive produce on IJ 5 as well. 

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

It's weird...

 

The most unstarwarsy helmet...and it is a Lucas suggestion... It should had typical stormtrooper eyes or mouth, or variant of the scout trooper. I mean...suddenly there is so many variations while in the OT we only had TIE and ATAT pilots, sand and snow troopers,  what were just slight variations of the regular stormtrooper helmet.....

 

[Will 2,215]

16 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said:

It's weird...

 

The most unstarwarsy helmet...and it is a Lucas suggestion... It should had typical stormtrooper eyes or mouth, or variant of the scout trooper. I mean...suddenly there is so many variations while in the OT we only had TIE and ATAT pilots, sand and snow troopers,  what were just slight variations of the regular stormtrooper helmet.....

 

 

I don't think that's weird at all. In fact, it's perfectly natural, as I see it.

 

While many fans consider "Star Wars-y" to mean "like the original trilogy," George Lucas considers it to mean something new, something that is always innovating. 

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

I mean he didnt innovate much in the OT... regarding the stortrooper desings.

[Wojo 2,453]

24 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said:

stortrooper desings.

 

What? 

[DominicCobb 194]

From my understanding, Lucas pretty much just visited Lucasfilm one day, saw that concept art and said it was cool, and they made sure to put it in the movie somewhere because he "endorsed" it. 

[Pieter Boelen 740]

18 hours ago, Will said:

He may executive produce on IJ 5 as well. 

NO ALIENS this time, dammit!!! 

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

It seems ROgue one will have audio commentary:

 

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Gareth Edwards is providing a full director's commentary for the home video release of Rogue One, where he's sure to drop even more insightful trivia such as this

 

http://movieweb.com/rogue-one-star-wars-planet-scarif-name-origin/

[nightscape94 965]

He provided one for his first film Monsters, and it was quite informative, so he's definitely no stranger.  Makes the lack of a track for Godzilla all the more frustrated.  Was really expected one for that release, but it's possible he was already too busy in pre-production for Rogue One.

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

Explanation of why there wont be deleted scenes in the DVD and blu-ray

http://movieweb.com/rogue-one-stars-wars-deleted-scenes-why-not-on-blu-ray/

LOL lame.

 

So darth vader trailer scene is just a few seconds long... And as if alternate scenes had never been released before...or with unfinished sfx...

 

 

 

 

[Will 2,215]

Well, I mean, it does sound lame, but I could definitely understand if there was a desire on his part not to encourage judgements on cut scenes taken out of context, and nowhere near finished. Obviously we have no idea who even made the call on this, but I could see how people involved would be wary of encouraging wild speculation based off of "incomplete information." Obviously though that can backfire and people can think you're "hiding something." I am of course just speculating but that is a possibility. 

 

On 3/13/2017 at 0:18 AM, DominicCobb said:

From my understanding, Lucas pretty much just visited Lucasfilm one day, saw that concept art and said it was cool, and they made sure to put it in the movie somewhere because he "endorsed" it. 

 

Ah, yes, that's probably it. I doubt he was involved beyond that. Still cool though!

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

Edwards says as if the cutting room floor was just filled with trimmed (a few film frames) footage (from scenes INCLUDED in the final film).

 

 

 

On a sidenote the article says that the trailer TIE fighter shot was part of the film, but got scrapped early on, not just a trailer addition. Or i read it wrongly...

[Will 2,215]

Has this been mentioned?

 

@BloodBoal, you might be interested.

 

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2017/03/gareth-edwards-on-why-there-are-no-deleted-scenes-on-the-rogue-one-blu-ray-and-the-alteranate-ending.html

 

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Gareth Edwards: I think the main thing that changed at the end…what used to happen, and you can get a sense of this in the early trailers, the transmission tower for the plans was separate from the main base on Scarif. To transmit the plans, they had to escape and run along the beach and go up the tower. In cutting the film, it just felt too long. We had to find ways to compress the third act, which was quite long as it was. And one real, fast, brutal solution was to put the tower in the base, so they don’t have to run across the beach and do all of that stuff to get there. That became a decision that eliminated the shots you see in the trailer of the back of Cassian and Jyn and the AT-ATs. That was some of the reinvention that happened. It was all to do with compression.

 

 

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

battles never are too long...in war films...

[Will 2,215]

There Was Yet Another Ending Planned for Rogue One and It Was Absolutely Insane

 

This headline sounds like an exaggeration but I can promise you that it is not. 

 

Keep in mind that those endings would never have been filmed, unfortunately -- only conceived by John Knoll in the very early story phase. 

 

It would have been so awesome to see Coruscant (or at least its surroundings), though (aside from the tiny view in the flashback, of course). Man. And blowing up their ship so they couldn't be tortured for intelligence could have been a really, really powerful moment.

 

The second ending listed is pretty weird (except for the interesting double agent idea), and would almost have seemed like just a lame way for Lucasfilm to keep the characters for later works while satisfying the problem of them not appearing in the OT. But the first ... well, that could have been really awesome. It would have messed with the structure a bit, though, since the Scarif battle is a natural climax and having a longer epilogue section could definitely mess with the pacing. Still though....

 

Also:

 

A 'Star Wars' fan spliced the end of 'Rogue One' with the beginning of 'A New Hope'

 

This is kind of an obvious thing to do but it is still pretty awesome. They do flow very well. I remember when I watched the film I was very confused when Vader showed up because the continuity didn't make any sense to me (I thought they were on the Tantive IV at the time; obviously within a few minutes things were straightened out when the Tantive broke off from the main ship). Haha. But now it all seems perfectly natural, of course. 

 

Another cool thing about this video is that it looks as if some folks have gotten their hands on the home video release already. First time I've seen high quality footage since December 17!

[Jay 37,287]

The Blu Ray leaked online a week ago, Will

[John 2,032]

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[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

The Empire/USA comparison is as old as the franchise is. Jedha is more likely to be a Tatooine like name reference than a political comment on Afghanistan etc etc.

 

It's Disney, they arent ever gonna go there.

[Mr. Breathmask 555]

So doesn't this: 

 

On 18-3-2017 at 3:01 AM, Will said:

 

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Gareth Edwards: I think the main thing that changed at the end…what used to happen, and you can get a sense of this in the early trailers, the transmission tower for the plans was separate from the main base on Scarif. To transmit the plans, they had to escape and run along the beach and go up the tower. In cutting the film, it just felt too long. We had to find ways to compress the third act, which was quite long as it was. And one real, fast, brutal solution was to put the tower in the base, so they don’t have to run across the beach and do all of that stuff to get there. That became a decision that eliminated the shots you see in the trailer of the back of Cassian and Jyn and the AT-ATs. That was some of the reinvention that happened. It was all to do with compression.

 

 

basically contradict this?

 

On 15-3-2017 at 1:31 AM, Luke Skywalker said:

Explanation of why there wont be deleted scenes in the DVD and blu-ray

http://movieweb.com/rogue-one-stars-wars-deleted-scenes-why-not-on-blu-ray/

 

Also, it's not as if deleted scenes with unfinished effects have never been released...

 

And to think there used to be an age where some filmmakers would actually finish visual effects shot for the DVD deleted scenes section.

 

Oh well.

[Will 2,215]

2 hours ago, JohnSolo said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/is-rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-anti-american-propaganda_us_58d1abd8e4b062043ad4add4

 

The answer is right on when he says he thinks Jedha was influenced by Nazi-occupied France during World War II. The concept art book does indeed say that was one of the major influences in the depiction of how "war-torn" the once-beautiful city had become. 

 

2 hours ago, Stefancos said:

The Empire/USA comparison is as old as the franchise is. Jedha is more likely to be a Tatooine like name reference than a political comment on Afghanistan etc etc.

 

It's Disney, they arent ever gonna go there.

 

LOL yeah. 

[Will 2,215]

Just bought this on Digital HD, can't wait to watch tonight!! It'll be my second viewing. 

[John 2,032]

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[Will 2,215]

Well, this film is actually quite good a second time around. I will say that it starts off very slowly in terms of emotional attachment and/or suspense. You don't really become truly engaged until Eadu, and then the long final battle tests that a bit IIRC. 

 

Perhaps the lure of Eadu is that it represents what this film could have been but wasn't: A Mission Impossible-style ensemble suspense/commando/espionage picture. That's essentially what it was in John Knoll's original treatment apparently. But when Gareth Edwards came on he wanted to add more family emotion so they came up with the whole big Jyn-Galen thing. 

 

Eadu seems to be one of the only planets that remained from Knoll's treatment (I don't believe Lah'mu, Jedha, or Scarif were his ideas; maybe Yavin 4 was in there, but that wasn't a new planet). Or at least it seems there was some sort of mountain planet in his treatment based off of the concept art book. 

 

And my association of it with "espionage" is validated by some comments in the art book that Edwards essentially "wanted to create a James Bond supervillain base."

 

Anyway, some more comments:

 

Man, the Ring of Kafrene is awesome. Great to see a city planet, if only for a moment. 

 

Second, I love the exploration of faith that the Jedha segment takes us on. It really made me think about the question that confronts all religious believers: Should you believe what you can't see? In the case of SW, the Guardians of the Whills are believing in something they can't see (or at least Chirrut is!) and it turns out that it does actually exist. Obviously spirituality was a big theme of Lucas' and it's great to see it continue to be explored. 

 

Also, wow, the "Your Father Would Be Proud" scene is absolutely stunning. I love how Edwards allows the music to carry the scene. I didn't actually like the cue when I first heard it, but I do now.

 

After Krennic is shot, the string notes softly fade in. Jyn and Cassain seem like the only people on the entire planet as they embrace, Edwards clearly purposefully showing not a single other creature on Scarif (besides Krennic, for a moment). 

 

It's almost like the end of a fairy-tale, the happily ever after moment, and in some ways it is (Jyn has completed her hero's journey, and helped save the galaxy, after all; she's also found a friend). But also not. They will never get to see the fruits of their labor. They will never have any truly joyful times like most other major SW characters that died (Han, for example). It's not the kind of scene that will make you cry, unless you just are a person that cries a lot in movies. But it is really quite heartbreaking when you think about it.

 

I love how everything just seems so fateful - "There's a massive object emerging from hyperspace," "You may fire when ready," "Rogue One, may the Force be with you," Krennic looking up, the Death Star amidst dreamy, fluffy clouds, which also contribute to my sense of a "tragic fairy tale." 

 

Then Giacchino brings in the choir as the Death Star fires. I love how we then cut to space and see Vader's ship intercept and destroy a lot of the Rebel fleet.  I love then how the choir swells in a massive, overpowering performance of Jyn's theme Jyn and Cassain look out at the swelling, massive "waves" of the blast, then how we cut to Vader calling for a "boarding party," and then a massive chord takes us back to the beach, the white/yellow light of the sunset enveloping the two. 

 

Then, equally awesome, is how we transition softly back to space for a moment, before the quick crescendo and the absolutely kickass version of Jyn's theme as the boarding party comes into view, soaring toward the Rebel ship, and we cut inside the ship, with more kickass writing as the Rebels desperately try to escape in time. 

 

It's a true powerhouse of a scene. I hope we get to hear mockups of what Desplat wrote for it (if anything). I'd be very interested in that. 

[John 2,032]

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[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Krennic's death was lame! Is that how you kill the main baddie in your film?

Such a wasted opportunity.

[John 2,032]

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[mstrox 6,647]

I kind of liked it.  Zapped by his own passion project.  I think it was more fitting than being executed by Jyn or Cassian - and it saved those characters from a potentially unlikeable moment, a minute away from their own sad demises.

 

The ending JohnSolo cited would have taken away the momentum from the end of the movie.

[Bilbo 3,709]

Krennic being killed by his own passion project is a cool idea but when that project is a giant planet destroying super laser it's a bit... eh.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

The character did nothing of interest after killing Hannibal. Such a waste.

[John 2,032]

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[Will 2,215]

 

This is cool. 

[John 2,032]

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[BloodBoal 7,538]

[John 2,032]

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[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Will 2,215]

I just thought of something:

 

At the end of the film, when Jyn transmits the plans, for a second time, right after Cassian kills Krennic...

 

She doesn't know the shield is down, does she? So she doesn't know if the plans actually reached the command ship, correct? It's all hope, right? 

 

I believe Cassian says right after it, "Do you think someone is listening?" which would support them not knowing. 

[Bespin 8,480]

I just finished watching the movie.

 

It ends like that? LOL!

 

 

[Will 2,215]

6 minutes ago, Bespin said:

I just finished watching the movie.

 

It ends like that? LOL!

 

 

 

It is a little abrupt, unless you really get an enormous kick out of the Vader scene and it can act as the "awesome climax" (I did not, at any rate).

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Silly isn't it?

 

The fans love it, though.

[Bespin 8,480]

Just now, Will said:

 

It is a little abrupt, unless you really get an enormous kick out of the Vader scene. 

 

Of course not.

 

[Will 2,215]

I'm not really sure if they could have done a better ending, though. The point they were in for the story wasn't great. 

 

I think perhaps the reason it feels "abrupt" is the lack of any sort of calm dénouement/reflection (and, no, Leia saying "Hope" doesn't count), even if the overall story wasn't quite over -- which we had in ANH, TESB, ROTJ, TPM, and ROTS (AOTC is arguable, perhaps), as well as TFA. 

 

At the same time, I guess this underscores the very nature of the Rebellion -- not much time for reflection, just for action. Things move fast. It does kind of add to the tragic nature of the ending.

 

That said, though, Bespin, I do agree as I said that it did feel like something was missing at the end. 

[Bespin 8,480]

For having a "kick" in a movie, I need three things: a good director of photography, a good script and good actors.

 

Cinema changed.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It has!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

So...after rogue one..."A New Hope" is Luke Skywalker or a datadisc with the death star plans?

[Bespin 8,480]

1 minute ago, Luke Skywalker said:

So...after rogue one..."A New Hope" is Luke Skywalker or a datadisc with the death star plans?

 

The new hope is indeed R2-D2.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Pieter Boelen 740]

On 1-4-2017 at 8:45 PM, Will said:

I just thought of something:

 

At the end of the film, when Jyn transmits the plans, for a second time, right after Cassian kills Krennic...

 

She doesn't know the shield is down, does she? So she doesn't know if the plans actually reached the command ship, correct? It's all hope, right? 

 

I believe Cassian says right after it, "Do you think someone is listening?" which would support them not knowing. 

Indeed she didn't know. She just believes that someone WAS listening.

[Bespin 8,480]

When watching the movie I asked to myself why all the Mon Calamari (the Admiral Ackbar species) of the movie are white? They all looked like dead fishes!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

And why is the one we see in Rogue One CGI while Ackbar in TFA was a puppet?