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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Gareth Edwards 2016)


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Lucasfilm clarified that Admiral Raddus was originally going to escort Leia to Tatooine via his cruiser shortly before the call to battle. In ROTS, I believe it was Bail Organa that entrusted R2 and 3PO to Captain Antilles of the Tantive IV, so that explains their presence in ANH. When the Rebellion decided to join Rogue One at the last second, they essentially grouped together the entire fleet, including Raddus' ship, which was most likely already en route to Tatooine, and sent them to Scarif. It was basically an "all ships report in, we're heading to Scarif, when we exit hyperspace it's gonna be hairy at the other end" type of scenario.

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But was Leia already going to Tatooine in the first place before the Rebellion had a chance of getting the Death Star plans? What was she going to recruit Obi-Wan Kenobi to do if she didn't have the plans to take to Alderaan? Did Lucasfilm explain that? 

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8 hours ago, I Need About Tree Fiddy said:

But was Leia already going to Tatooine in the first place before the Rebellion had a chance of getting the Death Star plans? What was she going to recruit Obi-Wan Kenobi to do if she didn't have the plans to take to Alderaan? Did Lucasfilm explain that? 

Since the rebellion is finally going to take a true offensive stance, Bail organa sent for kenobi so the jedi could aid them. Kenobi at that time should have already trained Luke, but bail organa probably wouldnt know that. Kenobi is probably the only person in the galaxy who knows where yoda is, which is another powerful ally (but this in ANH...did not exist)

 

 

8 hours ago, JohnSolo said:

Lucasfilm clarified that Admiral Raddus was originally going to escort Leia to Tatooine via his cruiser shortly before the call to battle. In ROTS, I believe it was Bail Organa that entrusted R2 and 3PO to Captain Antilles of the Tantive IV, so that explains their presence in ANH. When the Rebellion decided to join Rogue One at the last second, they essentially grouped together the entire fleet, including Raddus' ship, which was most likely already en route to Tatooine, and sent them to Scarif. It was basically an "all ships report in, we're heading to Scarif, when we exit hyperspace it's gonna be hairy at the other end" type of scenario.

 

While that makes sense as when the last x-wings and raddus ship arrive to the battle there are already rebel fighters and capital ships in the battle, they are really all of them coming from the same vector of space...so we should assume they came from the same direction. Maybe tatooine and yavin are aligned to scariff.... :P

 

EDIT: as i said...the rebel fightes are taking off when the droid are in the yavin temple still. Meaning that the tantive (and raddus ship) must be in Yavin. Raddus ship could not be on route to tattoine with the Tantive IV inside when they are called to battle....since the call to battle was issued when they were still on yavin...

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Heck yeah! So you and @Stefancos are saying if Rogue One didn't have the droid cameo, it'd be the best film since 1941? Surely there are better movies than R1 that have come out in the last 76 years! Granted it's a great movie, but it doesn't hold a candle to some of the classic films that came out in that vast period of time.

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It's a great film on a technical level.  Great film.  The themes and ideas are good.  Acting is fine.  The execution just doesn't sit with me as, say, a top 20 movie of all time.

 

Part of the problem may be that I've seen so much of it imitated, referenced, stolen from over time that it just wasn't impactful on me.  It doesn't sit with me as a classic, basically because I've seen it so many times before I ever saw the movie in college.  Same with, say, Alien, which I saw for the first time in my late 20s as a well-executed version of movie that I've seen dozens of times before.

 

Rogue One - now there's something new.

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1 hour ago, JohnSolo said:

Heck yeah! So you and @Stefancos are saying if Rogue One didn't have the droid cameo, it'd be the best film since 1941? Surely there are better movies than R1 that have come out in the last 76 years! Granted it's a great movie, but it doesn't hold a candle to some of the classic films that came out in that vast period of time.

 

Definately, Rogue One is a better film than 1941.

 

And there are many many movies in Region 1 DVDs and blu-rays than both.

 

 

:P

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1 hour ago, JohnSolo said:

Heck yeah! So you and @Stefancos are saying if Rogue One didn't have the droid cameo, it'd be the best film since 1941? Surely there are better movies than R1 that have come out in the last 76 years! Granted it's a great movie, but it doesn't hold a candle to some of the classic films that came out in that vast period of time.

 

Most of those movies are still in black and white! Cinema as we know it was completely in it's infancy. They didnt have cinematic universes even like we have today.

 

We can look with some nostalgia and even reverence to those old movies of yesteryear. Even with respect to the craftsmanship of these old times using methods of film making barely more sophisticated as flint knives and wooden clubs. But honestly, very little of it stands up to scrutiny today.

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This is very, very cool. I had read that ILM used VR in designing sets, and here you can see how Gareth Edwards could stand in a room and look through an iPad to "film" the camera angles he wanted for a completely computer generated sequence!

 

http://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-virtual-camera-system/

 

Here's a video the article links to:

 

One of the coolest examples can be seen at 3:00

 

 

Apparently ILM would make rough animations of sequences and then Edwards would be able to move around the shot and find the best camera angles. After that, he would notify ILM of what angles he wanted and they would fully flesh out those frames. 

 

They explain near the beginning of the video how the Death Star dish scene from the first teaser was actually an angle discovered by Edwards when looking through this set up. 

 

On 4/6/2017 at 4:12 AM, Luke Skywalker said:

EDIT: as i said...the rebel fightes are taking off when the droid are in the yavin temple still. Meaning that the tantive (and raddus ship) must be in Yavin. Raddus ship could not be on route to tattoine with the Tantive IV inside when they are called to battle....since the call to battle was issued when they were still on yavin...

 

Is it not possible that the Tantive took off later and entered Raddus' ship when it was already headed to Scarif or at Scarif?

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This came up in my recommended videos on YouTube.  I have no idea why it exists but it is kind of oddly mesmerizing, especially once it gets to dialogue scenes.

 

 

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Why is SW tech so primitive? Why couldn't Krennic find Jyn at the beginning with lifesign detectors? Or weren't those invented until ESB when Luke notes that Degobah has "massive lifesign readings"?

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Finally saw the film.  I was not impressed. It felt like any blockbuster from the last 10 years with SW background characters--so freaking formulaic in both execution and dialogue.  Say what you will about Lucas's writing, it never sunk to the level of "rebellions are built on hope" set up and then repeat by the main character after she has committed herself to the cause. What is this, Transformers? 

 

Also the space battle was pure ROTJ, down to the admiral and his ship. 

 

As for the score, I think had Gia not already done ST, I would have found it good. But now is just sounds like ST with the SW themes thrown in. 

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  • 3 weeks later...

Just watched the "Battle of Scarif" fan edit (http://www.maple-films.com/rogue-one-fanedit), which basically only has the final battle. It adds several famous Williams cues as well. It was a pretty fun watch, although I still overall find the final battle pretty boring. My favorite bit was how they opened with the Mustafar scene with Williams' AOTC Kamino arrival music playing. Awesome!

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Yeah, I saw that edit too. Of course, I prefer the full version of the movie, but the first two acts of the film feel so disjointed and aimless, and feebly attempt to introduce expendable characters you never get emotionally attached to in the end. The rousing third act somewhat makes up for the pointless wandering of the beginning of the film.

 

 

I never really understood what was so special about the final battle in R1. Sure, it was fun, but it felt too much like a Hoth/Endor mashup on steroids. The movie itself is 100% fan service anyways, as enjoyable as it may be.

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My wife isn't a Star Wars person (much to my dismay), but she cried through the end of the movie BECAUSE she cared about the new characters.

 

FWIW.

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The film wasn't nearly as character-driven as it was plot-driven. The main leads were merely one-dimensional cardboard cutouts that are swept along with the story.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Breathmask said:

Come on, guys. It's Star Wars Battlefront: The Movie and we all know it.

 

Fan service bullshit.

Point well made. Except for the "bullshit", because I do quite like the movie. :P

 

1 hour ago, JohnSolo said:

The film wasn't nearly as character-driven as it was plot-driven. The main leads were merely one-dimensional cardboard cutouts that are swept along with the story.

I honestly don't think they could afford to to give the characters a lot of depth.

You either do that and keep them alive OR you kill them and don't give them a lot of depth.

Doing anything else would result in a film that would NOT be kid-friendly enough for Star Wars.

That would have caused backlash from parents at best and substantially reduced revenue at worst.

 

Of course that doesn't make it the right choice to make "the best movie possible".

Probably they could have made a critically better movie by going down a different path.

But that path would have been substantially less profitable, so at the very least I do understand why they did what they did.

 

And given the constraints they were given (e.g. to make profit), I reckon they struck the balanace relatively well.

Not perfectly, but still...

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