Popular Post Edmilson 7,265 Posted December 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2022 To this day, I think the battle between Rey, Kylo and the Praetorian Guards is one of the best action scenes of the decade, and one of the finest I've seen in theaters. And the other setpieces of the movie (like the opening battle, Paige's sacrifice and the battle of Crait) are outstanding as well. Johnson is a talented director, and it shows on this movie. MaxMovieMan, Yavar Moradi and Docteur Qui 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, mstrox said: My kid has seen 1-2, 4-9, and Solo, each only once, and the only things that have really stuck with her are from TLJ - the battle with Paige dying at the beginning and the Fathier chase. She actually asked me to watch both last weekend. I want to direct all of the people who ignore or don’t care for the thematic intent of the Canto Bight stuff to my child (the intended audience of a Star War) who likes Canto Bight and the Fathiers better than the Mos Eisley cantina or the Ewoks. How old is she? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Almost 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Isn't that a bit too old for Star Wars? JibberJabberwocky and TolkienSS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 She’s grown out of Luke a Skywalker by now of course, but she’s just starting to age into Jar Jar Binks and Oakie Dokes the Swokes Swokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, mstrox said: Oakie Dokes the Swokes Swokes. That character isn't familiar to me, so it must be from ROTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Groovygoth666 639 Posted December 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Edmilson said: When I left the IMAX theater, on the night of Dec 17, 2017, I thought I had seen the best blockbuster movie ever. My best friend was with me, but his reaction was quite the opposite: he hated it. Two other friends were with us, and they liked it just fine. This is interesting because I had the complete opposite experience leaving the theatre. I had gone with a friend and our showing was the Force Awakens and Last Jedi back to back on opening night. After the screening both me and my friend got up, walked out and it wasn't until we got out of the cinema that we finally spoke about it. "Well I'm not sure what to make of that" he said, "yeah.... I'm not sure if I liked it" was my response. Honestly for me this was the first time that I genuinely didn't enjoy something from a franchise I love (and being a Star Wars, Transformers, Ghostbusters and Dragon Ball fan that's saying something) 6 hours ago, Tallguy said: OTOH I loved it when I saw it. And I think some of my favorite parts are the ones that accepted wisdom tells me I should hate: Carrie Poppins is freaking amazing. Cranky old Luke is also terrific. Rey and Kylo are interesting. I'm not shipping them or anything but they are great as a pair of people in a movie. Anakin should have been this interesting! Poe has no point in this movie. Finn and Rose sort of do. (I like Rose.) Where does the First Order get all of its money to make these arms dealers so rich? How did the tables turn so completely on the Resistance from the end of the last movie? I love broomstick boy. Never understood the criticisms of "Poppins" Leia, the sequel trilogy is canonically what, 20 year's after the OT? Leia using the force this way isn't that much of a stretch and I haven't seen many people complaining about Star Lord saving Gamora while in space in GOTG so Leia being in space and saving herself shouldn't be that much of a stretch either. As far as Luke goes, Mark Hamill did a fantastic job with what he was given, personally for me though it doesn't ring true to his character. Absolutely, of the few things I enjoyed in TLJ the connection between Rey and Kylo was one of them. Getting to see them play off each other that wasn't during a fight was really interesting to see. Agreed that Anakin needed to be this interesting. Poe's character was changed from TFA to TLJ. Rian needed him to be the hot headed pilot, which he wasn't in TFA, so it felt like we were getting someone completely different. What's frustrating is like you put it, ultimately he has no point. While it feels like what Rian wanted was for him to be the rebel against authority who learns humility, it's so haphazardly handled. The main problem with the Finn and Rose side quest is that you could cut all of it and it would almost have no impact on the main story. For me it's not how does the First Order have enough money to make these arms dealers rich, it's how does the New Republic enter trade with these arms dealers while ignoring the rise of the First Order and not become suspicious of how they're getting armed. For your last point this feels kind of more a failing on TFA. The political landscape isn't really all that clear in the films. Sure the books/comics have tried to clear this up. From the films what we can gather is, the Resistance is it's own thing. Seemingly Leia believes the First Order to be a threat while the New Republic doesn't for reasons? And with the destruction of the New Republic and it's fleet by Starkiller in TFA, the Resistance is all that's left at the start of TLJ. I'm honestly confused by broomstick boy. The film seems to suggest he's a slave, what with him sleeping in the stables with the Fathiers and their owner threating him and others not once but twice. And Canto Bight is surely part of the New Republic right? So why would he be happy to see the Rebellion/Republic logo when Finn and Rose show it to him? Baring in mind the New Republic had only fallen the day before, so he's not under First Order control. 5 hours ago, Edmilson said: To this day, I think the battle between Rey, Kylo and the Praetorian Guards is one of the best action scenes of the decade, and one of the finest I've seen in theaters. And the other setpieces of the movie (like the opening battle, Paige's sacrifice and the battle of Crait) are outstanding as well. Johnson is a talented director, and it shows on this movie. The fight between Rey, Kylo and the Praetorian guards is great on paper and is an incredible visual fight. Unfortunately though the choreography is terrible. Guards standing there waiting for their turn to attack, having to digitally remove a weapon so no one would ask "why didn't they use that to kill Rey" are things that ruin it for me. With the opening battle too many questions come up, such as why did the dreadnought target the base instead of the Radus, how the hell are the bombers of any use, they are incredibly slow and cumbersome in space somehow, not to mention that three get taken out by a crashing tie fighter accidentally. The Battle of Craits biggest problem is probably that the first half is just a rehash of the Battle of Hoth. Ultimately a huge problem for me is the set pieces are visually interesting, but as far as story/ plot goes there is much to be desired. Trope, greenturnedblue and Evanus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I remember seeing it with my brother and cousin and we were so baffled by how much we disliked it. None of us predicted having that negative a reaction to it. It was already midnight but we spent a good hour back at home talking about it, trying to comprehend it all (the flying Leia scene of course, how Luke's death seemed to come out of nowhere, Snoke) It's probably my favorite of the trilogy now. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 639 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: I remember seeing it with my brother and cousin and we were so baffled by how much we disliked it. None of us predicted having that negative a reaction to it. It was already midnight but we spent a good hour back at home talking about it, trying to comprehend it all (the flying Leia scene of course, how Luke's death seemed to come out of nowhere, Snoke) It's probably my favorite of the trilogy now. What was it that made it your favourite of the sequel trilogy, after initially disliking it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post greenturnedblue 371 Posted December 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2022 The other two are worse xD Groovygoth666, Tallguy and Tom 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTheBaptist 57 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 He had to to have his crimethink replaced with goodthink by the Ministry of Truth and Disney, lest he be sent to a joycamp. It was doubleplusgood prolefeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted December 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Groovygoth666 said: What was it that made it your favourite of the sequel trilogy, after initially disliking it? On first viewing a lot of the thematic stuff hadn't gelled yet for me and it just seemed like a cluttered mess. As I thought about it the week after, I started to understand the connections in the script (like the relationship between Paige's Sacrifice, Holdo's and Luke's at the end). The themes of accepting and moving past failure. I still think it juggles too many ideas and the setting is pretty constrained (the bulk of the film happens in two places essentially, neither of which are inherently interesting visually) but it's still the best directed film of the trilogy. It has much better mise en scene than TFA (albeit less flashy than Abrams) and the deliberate pacing lets scenes (and the score) breath. 50 minutes ago, JohnTheBaptist said: He had to to have his crimethink replaced with goodthink by the Ministry of Truth and Disney, lest he be sent to a joycamp. It was doubleplusgood prolefeed. They sent me back to 9th grade when I would've last read that Yavar Moradi, Groovygoth666 and mstrox 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,400 Posted December 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Groovygoth666 said: After the screening both me and my friend got up, walked out and it wasn't until we got out of the cinema that we finally spoke about it. "Well I'm not sure what to make of that" he said, "yeah.... I'm not sure if I liked it" was my response. I was surprised that this was my first reaction to the first viewing. Then I loved it the second time, the only time I saw something in the cinema twice. Groovygoth666, mstrox and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 639 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: On first viewing a lot of the thematic stuff hadn't gelled yet for me and it just seemed like a cluttered mess. As I thought about it the week after, I started to understand the connections in the script (like the relationship between Paige's Sacrifice, Holdo's and Luke's at the end). The themes of accepting and moving past failure. I still think it juggles too many ideas and the setting is pretty constrained (the bulk of the film happens in two places essentially, neither of which are inherently interesting visually) but it's still the best directed film of the trilogy. It has much better mise en scene than TFA (albeit less flashy than Abrams) and the deliberate pacing lets scenes (and the score) breath. So for you it's more about what the film was trying to say thematically overall and Rians visual style that makes it your favourite? 2 minutes ago, Holko said: I was surprised that this was my first reaction to the first viewing. Then I loved it the second time, the only time I saw something in the cinema twice. I'm now ashamed to admit that I saw this four times in the cinema (twice when it opened). The second time confirmed for me that I really didn't like it, the other two was out of desperation that something was wrong and that I should like it. What didn't you like about it the first time but changed the second time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,400 Posted December 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Groovygoth666 said: What didn't you like about it the first time but changed the second time? I'm not sure by now actually, and I don't even think it was "I didn't like this and this", I just wasn't that sure I liked everything. Part of it must be that Rogue One's ending and most of TFA was engineered to be a mindnumbing emotional sugar rush to hype you up (I definitely felt "whoah that was the best SW movie!" after coming out from both, then died down immediately on second watch, I like TFA less every time I see it), while TLJ works differently on a more cerebral plotty level. Groovygoth666, Not Mr. Big and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,612 Posted December 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2022 I didn’t have to wait for a second viewing, but my original response was originally “huh…”ish, iirc. I’m sure a journey back in this thread would show that if I cared enough. More because it seemed so different from Star Wars as I knew it than anything else - maybe more jarring because TFA, which I loved, was so aggressively and intentionally STAR WARS. On rewatch, TFA has seemed more hollow than my original viewing, but TLJ has only grown in my estimation. It is similarly my favorite of the trilogy (and of the Disney era). Groovygoth666, Yavar Moradi and Not Mr. Big 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,243 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 TLJ has better "parts" than TFA. But it's not better than the sum of them. TFA is, when all is said and done, a better overall movie. Of course it's also a crappy foundation for the next two so in that regard it doesn't do its job either. Sigh. We were so close. JJ is the devil. greenturnedblue and Groovygoth666 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 All three movies basically don't exist for me any more. 1977, DarthDementous and Bespin 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I loved the latest trilogy, because it had two ingredients I wanted to see in it: the return of Palpatine and the death of the "Skywalker" entity (made by the Force itself, have we say to repeat it, so it means Luke, Leia, Ben.. all the Skywalkers). Having said that, TLJ is the weakest episode in the trilogy in the sense of it doesn't make the story goes forward enough. The big ship is stuck, no more fuel, then at the end of the movie, the rebels are hidding on the nearest base from this place... Sorry, but that's lame for a Star Wars episode. The Canto Bight part is a complete distraction, a big failure that finally change nothing to the conclusion of this pathetic plot. So much was left to tell after TLJ, that it didn't help the 3rd episode, AT ALL (which could be in itself, two episodes). 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,517 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 8 hours ago, Holko said: I'm not sure by now actually, and I don't even think it was "I didn't like this and this", I just wasn't that sure I liked everything. Part of it must be that Rogue One's ending and most of TFA was engineered to be a mindnumbing emotional sugar rush to hype you up (I definitely felt "whoah that was the best SW movie!" after coming out from both, then died down immediately on second watch, I like TFA less every time I see it), while TLJ works differently on a more cerebral plotty level. Said a bit differently, unlike the JJ Abrams films which are mostly just fun popcorn movies, TLJ actually is *about something*. I challenge anyone to tell me exactly what TRoS in particular is about, lol… And even though I despise the prequels and think them worse than the sequel trilogy (even TRoS) in most ways, like I dunno script and characters, at least George Lucas clearly intended them to be about something too. Yavar Not Mr. Big and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 9 hours ago, Groovygoth666 said: So for you it's more about what the film was trying to say thematically overall and Rians visual style that makes it your favourite? Thematically, as the cinematic qualities were more apparent on first watch. My disappointment in the relative sparsity of new (musical) themes was also maybe the main driving factor of disappointment, especially coming off TFA fatigue (the score had been in constant rotation for all of 2016/2017). Though like the film, that too has grown on me over time as it has the most impact in-film. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 639 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 On 16/12/2022 at 7:57 AM, Holko said: I'm not sure by now actually, and I don't even think it was "I didn't like this and this", I just wasn't that sure I liked everything. Part of it must be that Rogue One's ending and most of TFA was engineered to be a mindnumbing emotional sugar rush to hype you up (I definitely felt "whoah that was the best SW movie!" after coming out from both, then died down immediately on second watch, I like TFA less every time I see it), while TLJ works differently on a more cerebral plotty level. Ah I getcha. Agreed that the ending of Rogue One and most of TFA were designed to tug at the fans hearts in that sugar rush way as you put it. But then I'm still the opposite, I enjoy TFA the more I rewatch it and haven't revisited TLJ (or TROS) since getting the Skywalker Saga boxset a few years ago. I know TFA is, as @mstrox say's, aggressively Star Wars and hollow, with it being more or less a remake of ANH and yet knowing that it still feels fun every time and getting to the end it feels like there are so many possibilities for the next one. Whereas TLJ is perhaps too dour, and also feeling like more or less a remake of ESB, all the plot stuff for me feels borrowed again. While TFA doesn't try to hide it TLJ does by adding real world things onto it, animal cruelty and war profiteering being the two that jump out, and so feel out of place. But what is the cerebral plotty parts that work for you? 18 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: I challenge anyone to tell me exactly what TRoS in particular is about, lol… Something about not mattering where you come from..... maybe? 17 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: Thematically, as the cinematic qualities were more apparent on first watch. My disappointment in the relative sparsity of new (musical) themes was also maybe the main driving factor of disappointment, especially coming off TFA fatigue (the score had been in constant rotation for all of 2016/2017). Though like the film, that too has grown on me over time as it has the most impact in-film. Yeah it certainly has the best cinematography of the sequels. TFA's score is maybe a bit more bombastic in it's use of old and new theme's. Where there many new theme's in TLJ? Rose got one but can't recall many others. I think while TLJ didn't get many new theme's, it is perhaps a more mature score, definitely enjoyed the Fathiers and The Spark, but overall still prefer TFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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