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Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi (Rian Johnson 2017)


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1 hour ago, Miz said:

The Force Awakens trailer gave way more goosebumps. This was an uninspiring trailer, but hopefully a good film.

 

Completely disagree. TFA trailer didn't stand out from the movies that have come before. This looks new.

 

1 hour ago, Alexcremers said:

Again, it looks visually boring. In TESB, the training took place in an alien looking swamp, now it looks like Rey and Luke are in Ireland. What happened to the feeling of being transported to a universe far far away?

 

What's next? Trees?!

 

Every single Star Wars movie has had trees God damn it!

(Yes, I know it's a joke.)

 

28 minutes ago, Jay said:

I definitely wish they never made Vader =Anakin, and I wish they never made Luke and Leia siblings too.

 

I heartily agree, especially about Luke and Leia. There was a real chance there to have Luke get rejected for Han and then suit up anyway to end things with Vader and the Emperor. It could have been awesome!

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3 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

Other than that, there's absolutely no reason the story should parallel ESB).

 

Two words. Tone. Poem.

 

Where have you been. It's a TONE POEM BB.  A TONE POEM!!!!!!!

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1 hour ago, Muldoon said:

Completely disagree. TFA trailer didn't stand out from the movies that have come before. This looks new.

 

The only thing that the TFA trailers really had over this was the whole "return to classic Star Wars" vibe. They weren't just selling us the movie but the whole concept of Star Wars. They played on our nostalgic familiarity and you got the warm fuzzies seeing the world of the OT recreated so faithfully, especially since most people were optimistic about it being really great.

 

There's no way to really replicate that now that everyone has their own opinions on the Disney Star Wars movies so far, so the hype for this and the effectiveness of the trailer is naturally going to be more dependent on exactly how interested you are in a sequel to The Force Awakens.

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6 hours ago, Bilbo Skywalker said:

Well it does look like a “Craggy island” alright. 

 

3PO can be Dougal and R2 can be Jack. All his dialogue is censored anyway.

 

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It's so vague, nobody knows what it's all about.

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It's so vague, nobody knows what it's all about.

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That's the great thing about Catholicism.
It's so vague, nobody knows what it's all about.

Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=father-ted&episode=s02e03
That's the great thing about Catholicism.
It's so vague, nobody knows what it's all about.

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That's the great thing about The Force. It's so vague, nobody knows what it's all about.

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1 hour ago, Jay said:

 

I noticed that when watching Star Wars in NYC with the live orchestra the other week.  When Ben Kenobi is telling Luke about his father Anakin, the story he's telling is significantly more interesting than the story we got in the prequels, and yea, its quite clear that within just SW, Vader and Anakin are absolutely 100% separate characters.

 

I definitely wish they never made Vader =Anakin, and I wish they never made Luke and Leia siblings too.

 

Vader = Anakin has exponentially weakened the potential of both characters. It worsened when they made Luke and Leia as twins. This made it difficult to write the script for the prequels, made the story darker and created a hole in the script that a juvenile movie like Star Wars would never be able to respond respecting the age range for which they were written. Making Vader's story like a good-hearted guy who has been corrupted and tempted into the dark side without showing him being selfish, vain and cold from the start is difficult. That's why the prequels were a flop among fans of the previous trilogy. No one can imagine Anakin and Vader as the same person. The friend and good jedi suddenly becomes a mass murderer,  commits a genocide and is capable of blowing up a planet with billions of creatures. It's like defending Kylo Ren after he murdered his own father. There is no forgiveness.

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Having this big villain be someone that was under Obi-Wan's wing during a great war before betraying them all is already an interesting storyline.  They didn't need to amp it up by also making him be Luke's dad.  It was cooler when Anakin was a hot-shot pilot for the good guys who was a jedi knight's friend and was also betrayed when the pupil turned

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45 minutes ago, mrbellamy said:

 

The only thing that the TFA trailers really had over this was the whole "return to classic Star Wars" vibe. They weren't just selling us the movie but the whole concept of Star Wars. They played on our nostalgic familiarity and you got the warm fuzzies seeing the world of the OT recreated so faithfully, especially since most people were optimistic about it being really great.

 

There's no way to really replicate that now that everyone has their own opinions on the Disney Star Wars movies so far, so the hype for this and the effectiveness of the trailer is naturally going to be more dependent on exactly how interested you are in a sequel to The Force Awakens.

 

Yep.

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56 minutes ago, mrbellamy said:

 

The only thing that the TFA trailers really had over this was the whole "return to classic Star Wars" vibe. They weren't just selling us the movie but the whole concept of Star Wars. They played on our nostalgic familiarity and you got the warm fuzzies seeing the world of the OT recreated so faithfully, especially since most people were optimistic about it being really great.

 

There's no way to really replicate that now that everyone has their own opinions on the Disney Star Wars movies so far, so the hype for this and the effectiveness of the trailer is naturally going to be more dependent on exactly how interested you are in a sequel to The Force Awakens.

I would agree that this is the case for normal people.  However, for me, the hype for this in my mind is nearly reducible for my anticipation of a new JW SW score.  

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There's nothing nostalgic about this for me. The prequel trailers had that nostalgic familiarity while showing us all things we'd never seen before. Whoever cut those trailers together should get Oscars. Completely superior marketing as far as I'm concerned.

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4 hours ago, BloodBoal said:

 

Wut? What kind of a narrow-minded view is that? There's absolutely nothing in ANH that necessarily led to what happened in ESB (there were endless different direction the story could have gone in), thus there's absolutely no reason for TLJ to necessarily follow the same structure as ESB. Just because "this" happened in TFA doesn't mean "that" has to happen in TLJ (the one thing that Johnson couldn't avoid replicating from ESB due to the end of TFA is having a storyline with an apprentice being trained by a Jedi master. That's it. Other than that, there's absolutely no reason the story should parallel ESB).

 

There's also the galactic conflict brewing, and the discovery of the Resistance base by the First Order in TFA. I'm not sure if there's any reasonable way you can go other than an escalation into all-out war, as well as a base evacuation. If that is the case, then TLJ was already destined to be darker than TFA, contain a big galactic battle and opening base evacuation, and contain some sort of Jedi training. In addition, there have to be some major revelations about the past because TFA left a lot of questions. Already with just these elements it's not hard to see how this could be interpreted as an ESB rehash (although I don't mind at all!) Add in the fact that they almost certainly need to bring this story to a satisfying conclusion in just two more films, and I'm not really sure how they could avoid hewing somewhat closely to ESB. 

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1 minute ago, BloodBoal said:

 

The film could already open with the Resistance in an entirely different base, its location unknown to the First Order (and it could remain that way throughout the entire film). 

 

Yeah, I suppose that's an option, although it would require a time-jump. 

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2 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

 

Luke could refuse to train Rey, forcing her to try to learn the ways of the Force on her own, with Luke actually trying to stop her from doing that.

 

That might actually happen - we'll see! :)

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I saw a really interesting theory today - what if the scene of Rey being tortured by Snoke was really a Force nightmare from her training, and not an actual scene? 

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2 hours ago, Will said:

I saw a really interesting theory today - what if the scene of Rey being tortured by Snoke was really a Force nightmare from her training, and not an actual scene? 

 

What's so interesting about that theory? It seems like an obvious possibility to me.

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52 minutes ago, Muldoon said:

 

What's so interesting about that theory? It seems like an obvious possibility to me.

 

Well, I hadn't thought of it myself. ;)

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9 hours ago, Will said:

I saw a really interesting theory today - what if the scene of Rey being tortured by Snoke was really a Force nightmare from her training, and not an actual scene? 

 

She hadn't seen Snoke, though.

 

Not that it violates the rules of the universe of the film, but I think they might shy away from doing that because of the audience's expectation of how a dream vision works.

11 hours ago, The Doctor said:

I didn't see anything resembling ESB in the trailer. Just AT-ATs, Jedi training, a "Join me!" scene...

 

Nothing remotely similar!

 

A ground battle with AT-ATs on an outlandish planet.

a young person training with an old sage in a remote location.

a plot line involving a pair of characters, the evil Empire, and a tidy but dangerous location (canto bight) and a character of shifting allegiances, played here by Benicio Del Toro.

A space battle, one that most likely occurs during the rebels' escape of an imperial attack on their base.

 

All that said, I'm still onboard for the film. I believe a lot of the similarities are the result of the starting point set by The Force Awakens. 

 

I think that our tendency to find these parallels doesn't speak to the film itself, but rather to the franchise: it's getting old.

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2 hours ago, Chen G. said:

 

 

She hadn't seen Snoke, though.

 

Not that it violates the rules of the universe of the film, but I think they might shy away from doing that because of the audience's expectation of how a dream vision works.

 

I don't think she'd seen Ren either though before she had a vision of him underground at Maz's castle. 

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46 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

She will still be there on Skellig, holding Luke's "lightsaber"

 

1 hour ago, BloodBoal said:

That'll be the "twist" at the "end".

 

39 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

Luke: "Sith back and relax"

 

43 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

Rey: "Wow!"

 

You lot are sick. This is a family forum. Take this stuff to one of your porno shipper sites.

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Some neat, non-spoilery comments from Rian Johnson

 

On porgs:

 

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“Are you sick of them yet?” Johnson asks with a laugh. The porgs, he explains, were inspired by the actual puffins that inhabit Skellig Michael, the island off the coast of Ireland that served as the location for Luke’s hermitage. “I was like, ‘Oh, this is part of the island; we need to find the Star Wars version of this,” the director explains. “And then just story-wise — not that they play a big part in the story — but I knew I wanted to find any source of comic relief I could on the island. And so they were very useful in terms of that.”

 

Cute creatures in the Star Wars universe, the Ewoks in particular, have often received a mixed reaction from fans. Is Johnson concerned about a potential porg backlash? “It wasn’t until we got the actual puppets on set and the whole crew reacted with ‘Oh my God, they’re adorable!’ and also then a few people in the crew were giving them that suspicious side-eye of ‘These are cute, but are they too cute?’” Johnson recalls with a laugh. “But the overwhelming reaction on set was everybody loved the porgs. And I love ’em, so you know what? I get it if people are a little wary of cuteness in the Star Wars universe, but I personally love them, and I think they have their place in the movie.”

 

On Carrie Fisher:

 

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“She was so conscious of the place that Leia had, not just broadly in the culture, but very specifically in terms of girls who grew up watching Star Wars when Leia was the only female hero on the screen,” Johnson says. “She really wanted to do right by that, drawing the character forward. That was something that she would always be pulling us back to. And for me it was fantastic, because besides all the other benefits of having a fantastic writer like Carrie there by my side while we’re making this movie, just having a voice that was like a compass needle that would always pull it back in the right direction of, This is what this character means and this is what we always have to make sure that she’s serving, with her strength and also with her weaknesses — showing a fully realized character who is going to be inspiring to the folks who grew up with Leia.”

 

On his "no fly list" of spoilers for the trailer:

 

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“A year ago, maybe even more than that, my producer Ram [Bergman] and I sat down with the folks at Lucasfilm and said, ‘OK, this is what we’re going to reveal here and there, and this stuff we’re never going to reveal until the movie comes out.’ We came up with a ‘no-fly list’ of, under no circumstances is this shown or that shown,” says Johnson. “It is a fascinating process. It’s something that for me, just having been a fan my whole life, suddenly being behind the curtain and seeing how it works and seeing how deliberate it is, has been really fascinating.”

 

No mention of Williams but there is this :P

 

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Now that the film has wrapped, Johnson can start thinking about other projects — perhaps a musical? “Oh my God, I would love to someday,” says Johnson (whose Twitter header is not Star Wars-related, but a photo from the 1960 Judy Holliday musical Bells Are Ringing). “I was a musical theater kid in high school. And so I looooove musicals. Someday, hopefully. Maybe a Star Wars musical!”

 

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5 minutes ago, mrbellamy said:

Now that the film has wrapped, Johnson can start thinking about other projects — perhaps a musical? “Oh my God, I would love to someday,” says Johnson (whose Twitter header is not Star Wars-related, but a photo from the 1960 Judy Holliday musical Bells Are Ringing). “I was a musical theater kid in high school. And so I looooove musicals. Someday, hopefully. Maybe a Star Wars musical!”

Thomas and the King?

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I'm not liking Johnson's comments on the Porgs. If they are what he needed on the island for comic relief, than that makes me worried as for Luke and Rey's dynamic.

 

That a film is dark doesn't mean sacrificing humor: far from it. As long as you don't break character and the humor grows organically out of situations, you can use humor very effectively in a film like that, see the darker Star Wars episodes. If Johnson needed the Porgs for comedy, it mean he could not find a way to voice it through Luke or Rey, which would have been preferable. Even if a character is brooding, doesn't mean humor can't be derived from them. See Kylo's hilarious anger issues in The Force Awakens.

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2 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

The movie isn't even out yet and I'm already fed up with the Porgs.

 

Yeah? Well I’m fed up with you! You big meanie! 

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