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Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi (Rian Johnson 2017)

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37 minutes ago, leeallen01 said:

Plus the rail-less walkway, the CGI body falling into the abyss. All so cliche and lazy.

 

About that, what does the SW universe have against rails and barriers to keep people from falling from great heights? Are people in those movies so unconcerned about health and safety?

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Health and safety risk assessments havent reached that part of the universe yet

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Because Vader hated 'hand' rails. He always felt like they were taking the piss.

 

Remember Vader and Luke's duel in Cloud City; Vader didn't want to destroy Luke, he wanted to destroy all the hand rails, but Luke kept getting in the way:

 

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And when Luke was becoming like Vader, he was giving in to his hate..

for hand rails...

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In every Star Wars movie, there is a scene where a body (dead or alive) falls from a great height, usually due to a lack of safety rails, though that is not always the case. It's a tradition that is carried out in every film in the series.

 

 

 

TPM: Darth Maul's supposed death by a fall down a reactor shaft on Naboo (no rails)

AOTC: Anakin's reckless dive through the streets of Coruscant, Obi-wan's near fall into Coruscant while clinging onto an assassin droid

ROTS: Windu's death (no rails), Anakin and Obi-wan both fall repeatedly during their duel on Mustafar

R1: Jyn pulls a stormtrooper off a landing pad on the Imperial facility on Eadu and falls into a canyon; Jyn almost falls off the pad herself (no rails), Cassian and a deathtrooper both fall within the data vault on Scarif (no rails)

ANH: Multiple stormtroopers fall into an abyss within the Death Star (no rails)

ESB: Luke, after his duel with Vader, falls down an air shaft within Cloud City, and almost falls through the bottom of the city (no rails)

ROTJ: An officer falls over a railing within the Imperial bunker on Endor, Palpatine is thrown over a railing into a core shaft within his tower on the Death Star

TFA: Han Solo's body falls off a narrow catwalk and disappears into an abyss on Starkiller Base (no rails)

 

 

 

 

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I think the problem with Han's death scene was more meta-movie based.  We all knew the moment Ford was announced to be in VII he was going to die.  To make things more irritating, he, JJ, Kennedy, etc. acted as if it was a big mystery.  By the time you got to that point in the movie three years later, you were somewhat glad to see him die. 

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Quote "tradition" all you like, it's still bizarre for an advanced space civilisation to keep overlooking and ignoring basic safety precautions like hand rails. They obviously lack common sense! I'd love for a character to point this out in a future movie, but of course SW characters take themselves way too seriously.

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The lack of rails in Star Wars films add to the tension in scenes where it would be logical to have them. You'd never know when someone might take a tumble into an infinite abyss.

 

 

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That must have been what Galen Erso thought when he designed the Death Star; make it so horribly unsafe that stormtroopers and officers will risk a fall. There was more self sabotage than just the trench hole that makes it blow up.

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My headcanon is that there was probably some network of maintenance tunnels and hallways connecting the bunker to the main shield generator and to various other Imperial emplacements across the moon.

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18 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said:

what about the dangeourus 'off' button of the tractor beam? Obi wan really risks his life there...

 

Still my favorite sound effect in the saga.

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Gotta be a pretty big device to power a shield around a whole moon.  That doesn't bother me.

 

Although, tbh, if you make it past the sound of a spaceship and lasers in the vacuum of space in the first minute of Star Wars, you've already signed a contract that you won't necessarily be able to make sense of the movie's science below the surface.

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Also, Obi-Wan lowers the shield and no one in any Death Star control room get a notification?

 

 

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Darth Vader says that he lets the Falcon get away so that it can lead the Empire to the rebel base, despite Tarkin's hesitance.

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Or when Phasma lowers the shields protecting the Starkiller in TFA. So no one on the entire planet got a notification that the base's only method of defense from attack was suspiciously deactivated?

 

 

 

I also don't understand how it took three seconds for the entire planetwide shield to be lowered. Wouldn't it take a few hours, at least?

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1 hour ago, Stefancos said:

Why? It's an energy shield. So probably has the same speed as electricity.

 

 

Yes, but wouldn't it take some time for the electricity powering the energy shield to power down across the entire planet? As evident in the scene in which Phasma disables the shield, the screen behind her indicates that it took only a matter of seconds for it to deactivate.

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Guys, obi wan disables the tractor beam assigned to the hangar bay of the falcon. One in a million...it's feasible that nobody noticed.

 

BTW...the death stars do not have a surrounding enery shield. If not the starfghters could not attack it (and that's it why there is a shield generator in endor to protect the unfinished DSII). As stupid as it is...

 

Maybe there are portions of it with shields, for example the throne room spire....

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said:

BTW...the death stars do not have a surrounding enery shield. If not the starfghters could not attack it (and that's it why there is a shield generator in endor to protect the unfinished DSII). As stupid as it is...

 

The first Death Star had smaller energy shields scattered across the station's surface that could be detracted at will. The second Death Star also had multiple energy shields like its predecessor, but as it was being constructed and subsequently vulnerable to attack, it also needed a larger shield generator housed on the nearby forest moon to completely eclipse and protect the station during its construction. Starkiller Base used a fractional refresh rate shield, which kept anything moving slowing than lightspeed from penetrating the planet's atmosphere.

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11 hours ago, JohnSolo said:

 

 

Yes, but wouldn't it take some time for the electricity powering the energy shield to power down across the entire planet? As evident in the scene in which Phasma disables the shield, the screen behind her indicates that it took only a matter of seconds for it to deactivate.

 

Why would it take hours?

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It all depends on how stable the field is when you turn off the power.

 

Imagine a city at night when you turn off the electric grid. The lights do not go out all at once, but there isn't enough residual energy in the wires to keep the lights on for hours. A second or two and the city's dark. 

 

In a vacuum, an electromagnetic wave moves as fast as light. 299,792,458 m/s. In air, just a tad slower.  It's not going to take hours for a gap of no new energy to grow and collapse the field on the other side of the planet. 

 

Unless your story's bad science says that it does. 

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Perhaps JohnSolo is referring to the fact that the phase discriminators on the shield generators would have to be powered down one at a time, because an immediate shutdown of the energy grid could cause a plasma feedback loop enabled by latent tachyons that have attached itself to the energy shield. But we don't know enough about First Order technology to guess if they had the ability to generate an inverse polaron pulse during the shutdown, which would have nullified the tachyon effect.

 

You don't need tachyons on your shield during switch off, thats for sure!

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