Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Wrong! everything that happens in Westeros is because Jon Ayren was killed. And we didnt even see it on screen! No! Everything that happens in Westeros is because Rhaegar Targaryan kidnapped Lyanna Stark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Nonsense. It was before that when he had an image of a boy seeing someone beheaded and the finding a litter of direwolf pups in the snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bilbo 3,709 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 "Not a nice comfortable hole, with panelled walls, carpeted floors and polished chairs to sit down on: this is a George R. R. Martin story, and that means misery." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Wrong! everything that happens in Westeros is because Jon Ayren was killed. And we didnt even see it on screen!No! Everything that happens in Westeros is because Rhaegar Targaryan kidnapped Lyanna Stark!And fathered Jon Snow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Nothing that has occurred in Westeros south of The Wall, that we have been told or shown, is responsible for drawing the White Walkers down from their northern exile on a (really really slow) collision course with the Seven Realms, which of course pushed the Free Folk to unite and break against The Wall too. In that regard, the actions of Houses Targaryen and Arryn only set in motion part of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 And fathered Jon Snow? Is that your own speculation, based on the TV show? I remember, when the issue of Jon's mother was first raised way back in the first couple of episodes, eagerly anticipating the revelation - both of who she was, and why Ned was so determined to keep it a secret. Then we got nothing! And now, by Season 4, the question seems to have slunk away into the background... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 I never once believed Jon was really Robb Starks son. But he took the boy in his family for some unnamed reason, and claimed he was a bastard to avoid any suspicion. Even if it did break his wife's heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 Glóin the Dark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 I don't even remember if Rhaegar kidnapping Lyanna was mentioned in the show... It was - possibly in that scene in the crypts, though I don't remember precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 I never once believed Jon was really Robb Starks son. Why would anybody think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Robb was quite precocious, in fairness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 I never once believed Jon was really Robb Starks son. Why would anybody think that?Just had a feeling.I bet ya Jon is some Targaryan child founds in the ruins and Robb took a pity to him.Perhaps the Red Woman knows....hmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 You mean Ned Stark (Sean Bean), not his son Robb, but you admit to not being up on all the show names. There is a fascinating theory that agrees with the notion that Jon Snow is not Ned's son. He is still related, but to also another great house, which suggests Ned brought him north to protect the infant baby from those who would kill to him. This could easily be proven when the time is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 LOL i always get the Stark names mixed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 He is still related, but to also another great house... "...and his is the Song of Ice and Fire." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 You nailed it. Robert's Rebellion kicked off when Rhaegar Targaryen, the heir to the Iron Throne, kidnapped Lyanna Stark, the sister of Ned and Brandon, and the betrothed of Robert Baratheon. She died in the presence of Ned, and...I digress. On his return to Winterfell, Ned brought back his own bastard son, Jon. Wars last longer than nine months when it takes one to ride from the capital to Winterfell. This is all speculation, not spoilers, but seven gods, it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Yes!Robert, in his wrath and hatred of all Targayans would have had the child killed. Nedd, being the only good and honest man in the universe, could not allow that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 It's also worth noting that the precise events around Lyanna's departure with Rhaegar have never been recounted in the books or show by a first-hand witness. The depiction of it as a "kidnapping" or "abduction" comes via Robert's perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Ned, being the only good and honest man, was highborn, and Westeros society permits highborn men to father bastards. He thus had a way to preserve his own honor, but more importantly, that of the dead, too. That means Jon Snow is the most interesting man in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 So, yeah, my favourite Episode 9 is in Season 7 when it is finally revealed, to the shock of the viewers and Jon Snow alike, that Jon isn't Rhaegar's son after all. This will transpire when Jon attempts to waken his dragon powers by stepping into a bonfire, but only ends up as Jon Toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 So, yeah, my favourite Episode 9 is in Season 7 when it is finally revealed, to the shock of the viewers and Jon Snow alike, that Jon isn't Rhaegar's son after all. This will transpire when Jon attempts to waken his dragon powers by stepping into a bonfire, but only ends up as Jon Toast.Actually, this season Jon jumped through fire and came out without a singed hair! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 And fathered Jon Snow?Is that your own speculation, based on the TV show?I remember, when the issue of Jon's mother was first raised way back in the first couple of episodes, eagerly anticipating the revelation - both of who she was, and why Ned was so determined to keep it a secret. Then we got nothing! And now, by Season 4, the question seems to have slunk away into the background...In retrospect, I should have realized that when Ned told Jon that he'd tell him about his mother the next time they were together, that that was foreshadowing that they'd never be together again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Also...it was Sean Bean! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Did Jon Snow melt in Ygritte's mouth or in her hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Either Baelor or The Watchers on the Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 They used up all the Season 5 money in Hardhome, so the dragons in The Dance of Dragons will unfortunately be made of cardboard, with cleverly integrated cigarette lighters used to simulate their fiery breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Ned's shock execution was the real TV game changer and so I can't possibly vote for anything else. But the Red Wedding was more thrillingly sensational than it and still one of the best things I've ever seen on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I dont think they are adhering to the classic "episode nine is the climax" formula from the previous 4 seasons. And it credits themThe Hardhome attack came out of nowhere in what we assumed was just a standard episode. GOT works best when it sneaks up from behind and slits out throat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,713 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Oh, yes, the surprise of Hardhome was really, really cool. The problem is that the sequence was so awesome that the big event of episode 9 felt a bit tame in comparison (at least to me).Yeah that White Walker and wight attack is hard to top this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The problem is that the sequence was so awesome that the big event of episode 9 felt a bit tame in comparison (at least to me).Do events in ep 9 really need to top those of ep 8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Hmmmm...I disagree. It was still very exciting. Though the visual effects didnt quite have the perfection of the previous episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I change my vote to season 6.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Not as good as Season 7's though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 9, 2015 Author Share Posted June 9, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 This season's episode 9 is unique in that its dramatic dragon finish was wholly predictable from the moment it all kicked off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 This season's episode 9 is unique in that its dramatic dragon finish was wholly predictable from the moment it all kicked off.And there's nothing wrong with that I think. It's a moment the fans of both the books and show have been awaiting for years. It's one of those classic payoff moments that are incredibly fulfilling despite its predictability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I agree. The big surprise of the season came in ep 8 anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 This season's episode 9 is unique in that its dramatic dragon finish was wholly predictable from the moment it all kicked off. And there's nothing wrong with that I think.It was rousing and satisfying. But it makes me wonder if Martin will play on that sort of traditional expectation for the grand finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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