nightscape94 965 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 6 hours ago, publicist said: will staunchly defend 'Godzilla'....has given me back faith in the term 'cinematically' (as far as big blockbusters go) Completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 True! Edwards has a good visual eye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmm 91 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 It's not just a keen visual eye. Godzilla harks back to the day when action movies had the patience to properly set up and build up towards the action, like Jurassic Park or even Independence Day. The action in Godzilla is atmospherically set up and realised extremely well. Kong skips the effective build up and drops you striaght into the action. Godzilla may not be a classic but when it comes to its action it is a gem among its current peers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 I thought it was very boring, but then again, I'm not a movie snob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Look! It's the TV watcher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 19 minutes ago, Hurmm said: It's not just a keen visual eye. Godzilla harks back to the day when action movies had the patience to properly set up and build up towards the action, like Jurassic Park or even Independence Day. The action in Godzilla is atmospherically set up and realised extremely well. Kong skips the effective build up and drops you striaght into the action. Godzilla may not be a classic but when it comes to its action it is a gem among its current peers. I hope it gets a remaster someday because the blu-ray is awful. Compare the actual movie to selected clips on the blu-ray extras and the difference in brightness, contrast and gamma is startling. And it looked fine in the cinema. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 7 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Hide contents P.S.: On a random note: what's with that completely gratuitous gruesome death scene of the scientist? Came out of nowhere, felt absolutely random, and ended just like that, with the characters being like: "Hey, who gives a shit?". Didn't get it. I suppose he was meant to appear as a real douche, and this death was made gruesome so that the audience would cheer when that happens? Well, didn't work for me. The guy was never particularly douchey: he just wanted to get out of the island, like the rest of the characters. Reminded me of the death of Zara (Claire's assistant who's supposed to take care of the kids) in Jurassic World, another exaggerated and cruel death that didn't particularly felt deserved for the character. If we're talking about the same character (the one that dies against the sunset right?) it reminded me of Eddie's death on TLW, ripped in half by the two Rexes, which I found awesome as a kid and still do today. And you could say that was also cruel and undeserved, but I think it's part of the monster movie genre. Could be the fact that I always end up rooting for the monsters,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 When did people suddenly get so precious and offended by gruesome deaths in movies? Obviously they've never watched a slasher pic. And of course Zara didn't deserve to die, but it's a Jurassic Park movie with extremely dangerous animals on the loose, so of course people are going to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Did anyone fell sorry for Eddie, though? I always thought it was a more FUCK YEAH moment, one of the last remains of the slasher side of Spielberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 4 hours ago, BloodBoal said: It has nothing to do with being offended, it has to do with what the movie is trying to say (so to speak) with those deaths. Generally, in monster movies (and slasher films and other similar genres), the slowest and most gruesome deaths are reserved to the real douchebag characters, the ones that are a real pain in the ass. It's basically a way for the filmmaker to tell the audience: "Oh, this characters annoys you, doesn't he/she? Don't worry, he/she'll get what he/she deserves, and it'll be well worth the wait! OK, here we go! Enjoy!" But in both instances I mentioned, that just didn't feel earned, so to speak. Hide contents In Jurassic World, Zara wasn't particularly douchey, but her death still felt like the filmmaker saying: "Hehehe, look, the bitch got what she deserved!" and the only reaction it got from me was: "Was she really a bitch?". If you want to do a death like that in your movie, that's fine by me, but do it to someone like Hoskins, you know, the bad guy who gets a quick offscreen death. That would be more effective. As for the death in Kong, it is clearly meant in the same way, as a joke, as it clearly stands out: it happens right in the middle of a quiet dialogue scene instead of an action scene, and then the characters act like it's no big deal. But again, same reaction from me. Plus, it's part of this problem of tone shifts the film has, with lots of moments being played like straight, really serious stuff a la Godzilla, and then you have those goofy moments like this one, or when the military guy is about to sacrifice himself but gets kicked on the mountainside, or the John C. Reilly character as a whole. It just feels a bit out of place to me. As for your Lost World example, Muad'Dib, I'm not quite sure it compares. I think here the intent is more of to create sadness: "Oh, poor heroic Eddie who was trying to help won't get to go back home", it's not played as a joke, and as such, it doesn't feel out of place like the other two mentioned above. You're reading too much into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 An hour and 34 minutes before anyone dies onscreen in The Hateful Eight. Must be a Tarantino record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 12 hours ago, Alexcremers said: I thought it was very boring, but then again, I'm not a movie snob. I hear ATM 2 is in pre-production...... 12 hours ago, Muad'Dib said: If we're talking about the same character (the one that dies against the sunset right?) it reminded me of Eddie's death on TLW, ripped in half by the two Rexes, which I found awesome as a kid and still do today. And you could say that was also cruel and undeserved, but I think it's part of the monster movie genre. Could be the fact that I always end up rooting for the monsters,,, An important difference is that Eddie is actively involved in the scene; there is build up, tension, taking action doing something you know will probably cost him his life in order to save his friends, so when it happens it makes the weight of his sacrifice feel heavier. When Zara dies, she dies for no other reason than to be killed by dinosaurs with needless violence so you can react to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 7 hours ago, BloodBoal said: You're sick! No wonder you love Cría Cuervos: it's a movie about you! Come on, bow down to the greatness of this! Search your feelings, you know it to be awesome 1 hour ago, nightscape94 said: When Zara dies, she dies for no other reason than to be killed by dinosaurs with needless violence so you can react to it. I was thinking of the girl that dies at the beggining of Jaws. She didn't really do anything to deserve a death, really. It sets the movie in motion, but you could also say it's totally undeserved as well. Awesome scene as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Most people in most movies most of the time don't deserve to die, so it's not about that. The opening to Jaws, as you've already pointed out, is a tone setter. Not only that, but the scene is masterfully realized on all cinematic fronts. I liked Jurassic World, but that death is completely pointless and unnecessary even in a movie filled with rampaging dinosaurs. It adds nothing, only subtracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, nightscape94 said: I hear ATM 2 is in pre-production...... Godzilla, King Kong, Transformers, Jurassic World, ... What is it that people have with oversized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: Godzilla, King Kong, Transformers, Jurassic World, ... What is it that people have with oversized? It's the Americans. They still think bigger is better. That's why their portions are so big in fast food restaurants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I dunno, it's only a movie. Like how Uncle Matthew got blasted away by the Martian machine when he read that "walk through the valley of the shadow of death" line. Did people in the 50s act all shocked and upset like modern people did for Zara? No because 50s people had balls. Yet again, maybe people complained about Zara's death because she was a hottie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Virility is important! Having balls mean you can shoot seeds into women and inpregnare them! Virility is power! Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 9 minutes ago, Stefancos said: It's the Americans. They still think bigger is better. That's why their portions are so big in fast food restaurants! I guess, when they were little, they've watched Power Rangers so many times that's it's in their DNA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 11 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Virility is important! Having balls mean you can shoot seeds into women and inpregnare them! Virility is power! Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 21 hours ago, BloodBoal said: But anyway, it's not something that affected my opinion on the film deeply or anything. It's just that it's something that really stuck out like a sore thumb in that particular scene and even the film as whole and mentioned it just to see if others felt the same way as I did regarding it. But it seems most of you are just fucking psychopaths who get a kick out of any death scene, regardless of whether it feels earned/serves a purpose in the context of the film! I don't know, I guess I just prefer death scenes (of characters, not extras) that are clearly meant to stand out to feel like they belong in there, and are not just randomly thrown in there. Gonna have to side with Muad. Eddie's death is in no way shape or form supposed to be sad or meaningful. It's a cool movie moment meant to entice the audience, just like the lawyer getting eaten off the toilet from the first film. Many films have this sort of faux serious gruesome tone that I always find to be hilarious. Gibson does it often. If you never laughed at the over-the-top death scenes in Braveheart you have no sense of humor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I thought Eddie's death in TLW was on an emotional devastation par with the girl in the red coat from Schindler's List. The former had far more cooler music though, so my top 2 rating for them respectively would be: 1. Eddie's Death --THE LOST WORLD 2. Girl in the red coat -- SCHINDLER'S LIST It changes order all the time though, depending on what I've watched most recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Where would you place "John Williams discussion being moved to its own subforum" in all that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Pure heartbreak, imo! Worst descision ever made on JWFan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I didn't care about Eddie or the girl in the red coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Heartless bastard, was probably rooting for the nazi t-rexes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 No wonder he's a Trump lover! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Quintus said: Heartless bastard, was probably rooting for the nazi t-rexes! It's kind of weird. Schindler's List is one of those movies where I feel self-conscious while watching it, because I'm thinking "okay, I'm watching a serious movie about serious people doing serious things, and this movi... uh, I mean film deals with serious topical matters, so I better act serious while watching it, and it's very character driven with a lot of dialogue, so I better pay attention... god, look at me! I'm paying attention to this! I'm a really smart and sophisticated film aficionado." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 You seem to be self-contious about a lot of things though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Reading his last comment, I can see why he struggles with mature themes and writing. For Drax life's just easier when he's watching monsters and robots fighting each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 11 minutes ago, Quintus said: Reading his last comment, I can see why he struggles with mature themes and writing. For Drax life's just easier when he's watching monsters and robots fighting each other. Shin Godzilla was an engaging farce satirising the ineffectiveness of bureaucracy. So I know a sharp script when I see one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Bullshit mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Even the Trekkies look down at the Godzilla fans, Drax! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,515 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Quintus said: Bullshit mate! Did you know; you've just used the same two words on the IN THE WAKE OF THE WESTMINISTER ATTACK thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Well he is the "bullshit detective"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Well he is the "bullshit detective"! No, he is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Drax denies the Holocaust but he doesn't have the balls to admit it. More fake news? Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 It's priceless that Drax cited Godzilla as an avenue into 'grown up' political themes he's capable of appreciating. Hahaha! As I said, monsters fighting robots. It's accessible to him because it is comfortable to him. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,515 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Godzilla said: No, he is! Rude, crude, and very funny. I'm crying with laughter. Simple pleasures, eh? Why is it that, after x amount of thousands of years of democracy, science, and all sorts of achievement, still the funniest thing known to man, is the expulsion of either gas, or matter, from his anus? Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 12 minutes ago, Quintus said: It's priceless that Drax cited Godzilla as an avenue into 'grown up' political themes he's capable of appreciating. Hahaha! As I said, monsters fighting robots. It's comfortable to him because it is accessible to him. I deal with grown-up stuff and real-world stuff every day at work. And I'm usually pretty good at pretending to be serious about it. 8 minutes ago, Richard said: Rude, crude, and very funny. I'm crying with laughter. Simple pleasures, eh? Why is it that, after x amount of thousands of years of democracy, science, and all sorts of achievement, still the funniest thing known to man, is the expulsion of either gas, or matter, from his anus? Or when Stefan posted about verility means having the power to impregnate women. I kid you not, I don't laugh out loud at things written online often, but that post had me on the floor in stitches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmm 91 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Life The Alien knock off reviews are talking about. That comparison is fair till about a few scenes into the unleashing of the monster. Up to that point it was a serviceable imitation of the far superior film (duh), and I must say the sequence where the alien breaks out is an outstandingly nerve wrecking piece of work (rare in modern mainstream cinema these days). The creature design is pretty good, but it's no Giger. In fact it doesn't even attempt to look anything like the xenomorph, thankfully, it knows it could never have matched up. Instead the monstrosity here is a real brute, nothing subtle or sleek in its outward design, although its movement is. Still, the design works quite well - it is a terrifying monster. After the creature escapees though, it becomes a total B-movie glossed to a high sheen. It's still suspenseful and entertaining but that alien escape was always going to be a tough act to follow. Ending is predictable but delightfully schlocky too. A solid 3.5/5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 7 hours ago, Stefancos said: Well he is the "bullshit detective"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Peas in a pod, actually! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Heh, hadn't thought about it before, but it's true you and Pilkington actually are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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