Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Brundlefly said: You'd take the weakest Fincher movie over the best? They’re all great, but I find Panic Room to be really underrated in its execution and visuals; and The Game was a thrill ride upon first viewing. Fincher’s only bad film is Alien 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Even Alien 3 isn't really that bad. It's just weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 No, Alien3 doesn't work at all, no matter from what perspective you are looking at it. It was his learning school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Eh, it's watchable. I like the mood, the sets, the big 20th-Century-Foxiness of it all, and Sigourney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Sure, but isn't it true that virtually all sci-fi is watchable for you? I'm just saying ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I dunno. What's unwatchable, The Human Centipede 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 If they are all watchable than it's not saying much. Just because a car drives doesn't mean it's a good car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Doesn't necessarily make it a bad car either. Sure Alien 3 has a bit of a weak script and glaring editing issues, but it has some strengths including its mood, bold production design, music and Sigourney. To call it "unwatchable" is just a silly hyperbolic dismissal. The worst accusation that could be hurled at it is that it's not really all that exciting like the first two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 No matter how hard I try it's just impossible for me to hate Alien 3. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Alien 3 is a better film than Panic Room and Benjamin Button. David Fincher has not yet directed a bad film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,502 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I know I'm going to get rapped in the mouth for this, but.. ALIEN 3 is not only my favourite Fincher film, it's also my favourite ALIEN film. So, there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Denise Bryson said: Doesn't necessarily make it a bad car either. Sure Alien 3 has a bit of a weak script and glaring editing issues, but it has some strengths including its mood, bold production design, music and Sigourney. To call it "unwatchable" is just a silly hyperbolic dismissal. The worst accusation that could be hurled at it is that it's not really all that exciting like the first two. Some of those strengths are precisely the reason why I think it's so terrible. I hated the mood, but most of all, I hate the direction. It's all in how you deliver something. It's like Fincher tries to sell you a turd but he acts as if it's gold. Some people might fall for it, others don't. I definitely see a turd and nothing but a turd. 58 minutes ago, Richard said: I know I'm going to get rapped in the mouth for this, but.. ALIEN 3 is nor only my favourite Fincher film, it's also my favourite ALIEN film. So, there Of course, Richard, but you always pick an artist's worst work and claim it's the best. You love to be contrary like that. It's why you always say "For every Dark Side Of The Moon there's a The Endless River. And by doing so, you're actually discrediting the true masterpieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 45 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: I definitely see a turd and nothing but a turd. The score is a masterpiece, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I just like that big 20th Century Foxiness feel of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,502 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Alexcremers said: Of course, Richard, but you always pick an artist's worst work and claim it's the best. You love to be contrary like that. You really do enjoy shovelling-up utterances, and depositing them into people's orifices, don't you? Read my post, again, and find anywhere why I stated that ALIEN 3 is Fincher's best work? I said "favourite", which anyone with even a modicum of understanding of the English language knows, is entirely different, to "best". Now, get yourself to the nearest optician, and then, back to school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 That's just Alex. If you write that you thought a film was "just okay", he interprets that you thought it was "amazing" and you're its biggest fan. Koray Savas and Naïve Old Fart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,502 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 As much as I like Alex (and I do like Alex), I've never met a JWfaner who seems to misinterpret deliberately, just about everything that's placed before him. #I could say "day" And you could say "night", Tell me it's black when I know that it's white. It's always the same It's just a shame That's all# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 He did that to me on the topic of letterbox bars. I personally don't care whether they're there or not, what's important is the composition of the image between them and the chromatographic process. But Alex interpreted that to mean I "hate" them because he fetishises them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,502 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Unfortunately, to watch a 2.35 film, on a 1.85 TV, means letterbox bars. Personally, if I see what the director intended me to see, then I'll happily watch a letterboxed film. I have, however, a friend who insists on reformatting 2.35 films, for his 1.85 TV. I haven't seen a film at his house, for ages... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Modern TVs aren't 1.85:1, Richard, they are 1.77:1. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Well it is just as bad when someone insists on matting 1.85:1 films in 2.35:1 even if it means mucking up the composition of the image, just for the sake of making it look "more cinematic". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,502 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Jay said: Modern TVs aren't 1.85:1, Richard, they are 1.77:1. It looks prettying 'effing 1.85, to me, Jay, but...thanks, as I did not know that. Do you know that Sony once manufactured a 2.35 TV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, Richard said: It looks prettying 'effing 1.85, to me, Jay, but...thanks, as I did not know that. Do you know that Sony once manufactured a 2.35 TV? Philips did too. You see some newer computer monitors with the 21:9 aspect ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,502 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said: Well it is just as bad when someone insists on matting 1.85:1 films in 2.35:1 even if it means mucking up the composition of the image, just for the sake of making it look "more cinematic". Every DVD/Blue Ray player that I have ever had, insists on presenting my copy of THE ABYSS to make it look like it was shot in 2.65:1. It's annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, Richard said: Every DVD/Blue Ray player that I have ever had, insists on presenting my copy of THE ABYSS to make it look like it was shot in 2.65:1. It's annoying. Because it was a 4:3 letterbox DVD. So the player just stretches it to fit a 16:9 tele. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,219 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Richard said: Every DVD/Blue Ray player that I have ever had, insists on presenting my copy of THE ABYSS to make it look like it was shot in 2.65:1. It's annoying. Can you adjust the aspect ratio on your TV to fix this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,502 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said: Because it was a 4:3 letterbox DVD. So the player just stretches it to fit a 16:9 tele. Ah! Bloody Twentieth Century Fox! Proper anamorphic, 4K restored, DTS 7.1, thirtieth anniversary edition, now!!!!! 5 minutes ago, Glóin the Dark said: Can you adjust the aspect ratio on your TV to fix this? I could, but it takes so long, and I have to change the ****ing back, afterwards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, Richard said: It looks prettying 'effing 1.85, to me, Jay, but...thanks, as I did not know that. Do you know that Sony once manufactured a 2.35 TV? 16:9 = 16/9 = 1.777777777777777777777:1 1.85:1 films have letterbox bars on modern TVs too, Richard: just very small ones. Incidentally, 1.77777777777777:1 was chosen for the aspect ratio of modern TVs because it is literally exactly halfway between 4:3 (1.33333333333333:1) and 2.35:1. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 If your TV has a variety of zoom functions, it's achievable. Unfortunately most TVs don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,502 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Jay said: 16:9 = 16/9 = 1.777777777777777777777:1 1.85:1 films have letterbox black bars on modern TVs too, Richard: just very small ones. Incidentally, 1.77777777777777:1 was chosen for the aspect ratio of modern TVs because it is literally exactly halfway between 4:3 (1.33333333333333:1) and 2.35:1. Lots of 7s, and 3s, in your post, there, Jay. Geez, I can't wait to meet you all, in October! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,219 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, Richard said: Lots of 7s, and 3s, in your post, there, Jay. On the contrary; he's been skimping on the 7s and 3s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,502 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said: If your TV has a variety of zoom functions, it's achievable. Unfortunately most TVs don't. "Zoom"? I really don't want to look right up Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio's nose, thank you very much! 1 minute ago, Glóin the Dark said: On the contrary; he's been skimping on the 7s and 3s! Yeah! More 7s, and 3s, Jay! Maybe Jay is doing all those 7s for luck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Richard, if according to you Alien3 is the best entry in the entire Alien franchise then certainly you must think it's up there with Fincher's best? I mean, are you really telling me Alien3 is one of Fincher's weakest movies but that it's still way better than Alien or Aliens?! I have nothing against people who are a bit contrary in nature but this is taking it too far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 3, 7 and 10. Seems we've found the source of the Roman numerals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Alex, Richard didn't say Alien 3 is the best Alien film, he said its his favorite. That's the entire point of his argument, if you actually read his post where he explains it. Koray Savas and Naïve Old Fart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,502 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Thank you, Jay. You'll hear what I mean, Alex: One hunnnnnndred. One thouuuuuuusand. Who are you, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I guess for me there's not much difference between favorite and best. For instance, Empire Of The Sun is probably my favorite JW CD and that automatically entails that I think it's one of his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 My favourite movie is ID4, but fuck I know it's not the best movie ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Exactly! Schindler's List is a great movie, but its not one of my favorite movies; I've only seen it twice. Meanwhile, Ferris Bueller's Day Off is one of my favorite movies, but its hardly one of the best movies ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said: My favourite movie is ID4, but fuck I know it's not the best movie ever made. But only after you soaked up all those Bette Davis movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 And now all these Meryl Streep fillums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Spoiled for life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 20 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said: My favourite movie is ID4, but fuck I know it's not the best movie ever made. If you don't follow your heart, how do you know what the best movie is then? Again, my favorites are based upon the movies I deem the best. If I don't like a movie, then I don't care what everyone says, it's not the best movie ever for me. I follow my heart. It's the only way I know how to appraise something. If I like a movie while realizing it's not very good then I call that a guilty pleasure, I wouldn't place it in my Top 10 favorite movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: If you don't follow your heart, how do you know what the best movie is then? Again, my favorites are based upon the movies I deem the best. If I don't like a movie, then I don't care what everyone says, it's not the best movie ever for me. I follow my heart. It's the only way I know how to appraise something. Someone's favourite movie might be Plan 9 From Outer Space because they enjoy the kitsch value, but they're in no way deluded to think it's the "best". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,290 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I can enjoy the kitsch value of certain movies but that sort of enjoyment is not enough for me to put them in my top 10 favorite movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Semantics. Just now, Alexcremers said: I can enjoy the kitsch value of certain movies but that sort of enjoyment is not enough for put them in my top 10 favorite movies. But that's the very strict definition of someone who has seen too many movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Next time I'll ask people what their top 10 best movies are, not their favorites. - So why are they not in you Top 10 favorite movies? - Oh, they are good but they are not my favorites. - So how do you know they are good if they don't make you list of favorites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 So how many movies have each of you seen? I'm compiling mine into a spreadsheet list with strict criteria and I've so far reached 1,200+, and the number keeps growing at the rate of how many more movies I remember seeing. I'm a bit disappointed by the number, I thought I'd seen way more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Jeez, Alex. People are not as anal either about their movie preferences or the semantics attached to their ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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