Ollie 1,059 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 I really hate to criticize Snyder on this one due to what happened to him away from the film, but the fact they did more reshoots as opposed to Whedon just coming in to wrap up the film and nurse it through post production speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 What happened to Snyder is irrelevant. I sympathise, but a bad film is a bad film, end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 True, but the father in me couldn’t imagine losing a child. But you’re right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 I just read he lost his daughter during production on the movie, I had no idea. Bloody hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 12 hours ago, El Jefe said: True, but the father in me couldn’t imagine losing a child. But you’re right. I don't have the privilege, of being a father, so I'll just have to use my imagination. I mean no disrespect to Synder. Perhaps what happened before his child died had an affect on his work. If "blame" is to be apportioned, it should be toward Warner Bros. for not shutting down production, and not letting Snyder grieve, and return to complete what he started, but I guess that the mighty $ rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Oh I wasn’t interpreting your comments as disrespectful. Given how crappy his first two DC films were, I can’t imagine his JL version being any better and apparently neither did his bosses. But part of me feels bad for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 I hate Snyder with a passion but actually enjoyed Batman v Superman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Once Upon a Time in Hollywood Less a film, and more of a loose series of self-masturbatory vignettes of late-60s Hollywood. And while you can usually rely on Tarantino's over-indulgence to at least offer an entertaining romp, I don't think it's ever been so painfully obvious that a bunch of scenes were assembled together just to remind us how "cool" hippies on acid, hitch-hiking Manson gang members, neon signs, vintage cars and old TV Westerns were. Every now and then, you get a glimpse at a Tarantino that might have finally grown up (some of DiCaprio's existential crisis showed surprising maturity), though it's quickly undone by its predictable finale. Anyways, the film just really lacks structure and rhythm, which robs it of its potential for meaning. It had some good scenes (i.e. the Manson ranch scene with Pitt) and captures seedy Hollywood of the time well, but ends up coming across as much ado about nothing. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 11 hours ago, Quintus said: But... but... He was supposed to be the second coming! (according to a few peeps on the internet) No one said that, ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Elfman's Justice League score is a piece of shit just like the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Koray Savas said: ... but actually enjoyed Batman v Superman. Me too ... that is, until Bats finds out Supes' mother is called Martha too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Are they brothers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Alexcremers said: Me too ... that is, until Bats finds out Supes' mother is called Martha too. Why did you say that name??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Why did you say that name??? Reek? Are you Reek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,344 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 18 hours ago, Nick Parker said: Might want to consider a spoiler tag for a part of your review. That's a fair point. Done. Nick Parker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Batman v Superman has it's good elements (Bruce Wayne and Alfred) and it's bad ones. Unfortunately, the bad parts are nearly everything else. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,983 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Oh almost forgot... I watched Once Upon a Time in Hollywood yesterday. And the fact I forgot to mention should tell you just how impressed I was. It was very so-so. Good in places but mostly meandering and overlong. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Has the Tarantino glaze veil been lifted? Has he been dethroned from his long-held title as Perfect Cinema Auteur Who Makes No Mistakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Yeah, it happened back in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,983 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2009 for me. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 You guys are odd. 2009 was probably his best year, and 2015 redeemed him after the merely ok-ish 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: You guys are odd. 2009 was probably his best year, and 2015 redeemed him after the merely ok-ish 2012. You are odd too. Inglourious Basterds and Django Unchained are masterpieces and it is correct to say that something has changed after that. And that is hardly just a matter of opinion. Had he quit film business after 2012 his status as a flawless directing legend would have had a fair chance. Not any more. The H8ful Eight and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood are both lingering in the shade of his prior work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1994 for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I like all of Tarantino’s movies mrbellamy and Koray Savas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I like Jackie Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1. Inglourious Basterds 2. Pulp Fiction 3. Kill Bill 4. Death Proof 5. The Hateful Eight 6. Django Unchained 7. Once Upon A Time In... Hollywood 8. Jackie Brown 9. Reservoir Dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Reservoir Dogs is better than most of those. It's easy for me to say. I'm Mr. White. I have a cool-sounding name. John and Brundlefly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Nick Parker said: I like Jackie Brown Which is quite different from his usual joints. It's probably the least favourite amongst Tarantino teens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Its my favourite Tarantino film of the ones ive seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 QT is still one of a kind and I definitely prefer Hollywood to the last two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmm 91 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1. Pulp Fiction 2. Inglorious Basterds 3. Django Unchained 4. Kill Bill vol. 1 5. Jackie Brown 6. Kill Bill vol. 2 7. The Hateful Eight 8. Reservoir Dogs 9. Death Proof 10. Once Upon A Time in Hollywood 1-7 may not all be masterpieces, but all of them are mostly at least riotously entertaining. Death Proof was quite terrible if not for the terrific car chase. Hollywood is a bore from start to end. Impossible to fathom this was made by Tarantino. And yes, I count Kill Bill as two movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 Inglorious Basterds 2 Pulp Fiction 3 Jackie Brown 4 Reservoir Dogs 5 Kill Bill 6 Hateful Eight 7 Django Unchained 8 Death Proof Haven't seen Hollywood yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1. Pulp Fiction 2. Inglorious Basterds 3. Jackie Brown 4. Reservoir Dogs 5. Kill Bill 6. Django Unchained 7. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood 8. Hateful Eight 9. Death Proof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,983 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Death Proof is actually one if my favourites. Probably because it feels honest about its trashiness. Inglorious Basterds being the exact opposite and therefore my least favourite. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I liked Hollywood more than all of you. I was taken off guard by the ending, not the final violent sequence, but the very very end as I was thinking there'd be a bit more to go. I thought it was pretty masterful all around. DiCaprio especially was extraordinary. I could live inside that movie. mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I will never be able to understand what the problem with Django Unchained is for some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I can hardly wrap my head around half the opinions of you jokers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, crocodile said: Death Proof is actually one if my favourites. Probably because it feels honest about its trashiness. Inglorious Basterds being the exact opposite and therefore my least favourite. IB at least has not these pointless everyman scenes DiCaprio has to act out in OuatiH. I still wonder why QT thought it a swell idea let us revel in basic afternoon drama class stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, publicist said: IB at least has not these pointless everyman scenes DiCaprio has to act out in OuatiH. I still wonder why QT thought it a swell idea let us revel in basic afternoon drama class stuff like that. Because Tarantino was more interested in chewing on and winking at old Hollywood scenery... The whole thing does world-building well, but forgets that it has to function well as a film first. With that being said, I thought some of the DiCaprio material teased at an older, maybe wiser Tarantino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted August 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, crocodile said: Death Proof is actually one if my favourites. Probably because it feels honest about its trashiness. Inglorious Basterds being the exact opposite and therefore my least favourite. Death Proof is the one I haven't seen yet (aside from OUATIH). I don't think Basterds is dishonest about its trashiness. I think trashiness is only one aspect of some parts of the film, and those are honest about it. I certainly don't consider the opening sequence trashy, and I don't think the Waltz character is trashy (eccentric, yes, and deliberately goofy in a seriously menacing way). That's why I have less regard for Django, too: Both the film and the Waltz character feel too one-sidedly trashy to me. There's also a strong artistic aspect to the film, including the cinematography (the best in a Tarantino film) and the use of music (especially, unlike in most Tarantinos, "actual" (if not original) underscore for great dramatic effect), and a real tension to those scenes that go for it (Laurent is just as brilliant as Waltz in their cafe confrontation). What I perhaps admire most about it is something that very few films (that I've seen) achieve: It very convincingly includes sequences in another language that feel like they were actually made in their respective country. The German sequences definitely feel like authentic German cinema, and I get the same vibe from the French bits (but I'm not familiar enough with French cinema to be the best judge of that). Very few other films that pull this off come to mind; The Third Man is one of them. John, mrbellamy and publicist 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, KK said: Because Tarantino was more interested in chewing on and winking at old Hollywood scenery... The whole thing does world-building well, but forgets that it has to function well as a film first. With that being said, I thought some of the DiCaprio material teased at an older, maybe wiser Tarantino. Still, what we got here was an ordinary character with very ordinary problems. In this context, it just doesn't seem to bring much to the table - if i read the archetype shit right. The scenes with Pitt and DiCaprio played better than his single ones. But in the end, we all sat there and asked ourselves 'why did we watch this?' (also see: the half-hearted characterization of Robbie/Tate..why bother, honestly?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Escapism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 The film isn’t cryptic. It has a clear message about violence and media. Its timing was actually perfect with Trump’s denouncement of the entertainment industries. It also moves at its own pace. It revels in the production design and atmosphere. It wants to place you in that aesthetic. I think it achieves that very well. I just didn’t find it as engaging as his tighter scripts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 It also does not make much sense. And with that final scene, it better should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Also sounds like an excuse to showboat production design at the expense of structure and a solid script. The writing just needed to be a lot tighter and focused to earn that final beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: I don't think Basterds is dishonest about its trashiness. I think trashiness is only one aspect of some parts of the film, and those are honest about it. I certainly don't consider the opening sequence trashy, and I don't think the Waltz character is trashy (eccentric, yes, and deliberately goofy in a seriously menacing way). That's why I have less regard for Django, too: Both the film and the Waltz character feel too one-sidedly trashy to me. There's also a strong artistic aspect to the film, including the cinematography (the best in a Tarantino film) and the use of music (especially, unlike in most Tarantinos, "actual" (if not original) underscore for great dramatic effect), and a real tension to those scenes that go for it (Laurent is just as brilliant as Waltz in their cafe confrontation). What I perhaps admire most about it is something that very few films (that I've seen) achieve: It very convincingly includes sequences in another language that feel like they were actually made in their respective country. The German sequences definitely feel like authentic German cinema, and I get the same vibe from the French bits (but I'm not familiar enough with French cinema to be the best judge of that). Very few other films that pull this off come to mind; The Third Man is one of them. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 It's funny how no-one mentions FOUR ROOMS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, publicist said: It also does not make much sense. And with that final scene, it better should. The finale is the only time in cinema I wanted to break the seat in front of me out of pure wrath. The eversion of history that Tarantino did so brilliantly in Inglourious Basterds and Django Unchained was much more than just inappropriate here. What a disappointing and disgusting ending, it drove me nuts! As for the rest of the film: I really accepted the hang-out-pace that we know from Jackie Brown already. However, the whole concept and script feel very simple. Like The H8ful Eight, the film is all that we already know from the director minus the brilliance and innovation of many of his preceding works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Koray Savas said: Its timing was actually perfect with Trump’s denouncement of the entertainment industries. A perfect movie for these Trumpian times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 17 hours ago, Brundlefly said: What a disappointing and disgusting ending, it drove me nuts! I don’t see anything wrong with Spoiler imagining a world Sharon Tate lived. A world where Polanski wasn’t emotionally destroyed, who knows how his life would’ve gone...you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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