Arpy 4,145 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Most of the Avengers in these films are composed entirely of witty banter and one-liners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Which is a not at all a bad thing, in a comedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 It was too much in GOTG 2. It needs to be balanced. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 The "comedy" pretty much killed the momentum in GOTG2, it's like the film stopped dead over and over again to do a comedy bit. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 I think Thor: Ragnarok managed to do it better. It isn't my favourite but still... Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 I laugh the most watching "The Avengers". Whedon's wit cannot be topped, and unlike Guardians of the Galaxy, he's got Robert Downey Jr. to his disposal. Its Marvel's masterpiece, and my favorite action-comedy of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 I’ve yet to see something by Whedon that I’ve really liked, Avengers films included - although they’d top my Whedon list, for what it’s worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 I was underwhelmed by the first Avengers, to be honest. I found the whole affair a bit... tedious? As if the entire movie consisted of action setpieces loosely strung together in the shape of a story. I thought Ragnarok was great. Gorgeous production design, nicely paced, and I really dug the deadpan Wes Anderson-esque comedy. The narrative is very bare-bones, but it's all the creative stuff on top of it that made the movie work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 The Thor/Banner and Thor/Hulk bromance is epic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 14 hours ago, John said: I was underwhelmed by the first Avengers, to be honest. I found the whole affair a bit... tedious? As if the entire movie consisted of action setpieces loosely strung together in the shape of a story. Comedies are a very subjective thing, so there's no point in pressing the issue. Either you find it funny or you don't. I, for instance, didn't laugh nearly as often during Ragnarok. I thought it was a Guardians of the Galaxy film (for an aesthetic point of view) mascarading as a Thor film. It certainly didn't feel congurous with the previous two at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 17 hours ago, Chen G. said: I laugh the most watching "The Avengers". Whedon's wit cannot be topped, and unlike Guardians of the Galaxy, he's got Robert Downey Jr. to his disposal. Its Marvel's masterpiece, and my favorite action-comedy of all time. You are JOKING? Masterpiece should be reserved for something better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 That trailer was kind of depressing and didn't make me too interested in the movie, though I suppose that's to be expected when you killed off a lot of witty and trailer-friendly characters in the last film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Chen G. said: Comedies are a very subjective thing, so there's no point in pressing the issue. Either you find it funny or you don't. I thought the humor was fine, it was everything else that I found lackluster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Its not without flaws, that's for sure. Flat lighting (which isn't necessarily bad for a comedy) and not terribly inspired camerawork being one of its detracting factors. But at the end of the day, the point of a comedy is to make you laugh. Everything else is besides the point. 46 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: Masterpiece should be reserved for something better. You'll note that I'm referring to it as a comedy. I think its a brilliant action-comedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Its definitely not that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I'm gonna have to agree with Joe here. It's got some really clever one-liners and jokes, but "brilliant"? I also wouldn't go so far as to call it a comedy before an action film, which, IMO, is what it is first and foremost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Hence action-comedy. 😉 As for the quality of the comedy - that's highly subjective. I laugh my ass off on account of it - every single time. If you don't look at it as a comedy there's really not too much to appreciate here. There's certainly no real sense of stakes: I never felt that the Avengers were ever truly being overwhelmed, and like I said a lot of the technical aspects of the film aren't too impressive, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I think it's one of cinema's greatest drama-crime-mockumentaries! Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Endgame (click to enlarge) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 That’s the first trailer that’s made me even remotely interested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 On 12/10/2018 at 9:22 AM, Jay said: That trailer was kind of depressing and didn't make me too interested in the movie, though I suppose that's to be expected when you killed off a lot of witty and trailer-friendly characters in the last film. The difficulty with promoting this movie will be hiding which characters stay dead. Trailers will only be able to show those who were known to be alive or unknown at the end of the last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Actually Feige himself said they won't be showing much of the film in the trailers. It's not like they need to. Everyone will see it anyway. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 That's an interesting strategy, and shows confidence. I mean there's no way this isnt gonna make a HUGE profit, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Absolutely no way. Besides, with the popularity of Infiniti War in mind, lots of people have a sense of what this film is going to be about, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 This will probably be the second MCU movie I see in the theater since Guardians 1. I'll probably see Captain Marvel. Brie is gorgeous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Will there come a time when people are tired of superheroes? Spielberg likes to think so, but maybe he's no longer in touch with the critical demands of today's audiences. Maybe they are the endstation of the film medium, sweeping the box-office forever ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 There are 7 superhero films coming out every year...out of hundreds and hundreds of releases. Yeah, they make money. But it's hardly a flood. The percentage if westerns back in the day was higher. Karol mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Well, Westerns are easier to produce and can be made relatively cheap. Anyway, I was wondering how long superhero movies will dominate the box-office, I wasn't complaining that there's a flood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Well it has been going on for the past 20 years now. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Hopefully it will die down within the next few years. I mean, I like quite a few of those films but enough already! I believe trends in cinema tend to have a longevity of 25-30 years, so we should be getting there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Hopefully it will die down within the next few years. I mean, I like quite a few of those films but enough already! I believe trends in cinema tend to have a longevity of 25-30 years, so we should be getting there. But why complain? I bet you have several hunders of other films to watch every year. You could watch one a day and not encounter a single superhero film. Karol Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 True. Its essentially what I've been doing the last decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I complain that there aren't hundreds of other movies for me to watch! So after superhero movies are gone, back to the Western? Buddy cop movies? What?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Technicolor musicals! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 On January 11, 2019 at 4:33 AM, Chen G. said: I believe trends in cinema tend to have a longevity of 25-30 years, so we should be getting there. That's what amazes me. MARVEL has been going at a pretty steady pace for a while now, and I wouldn't say, especially with the last few films which have noted success (such as Infinty War, Black Panther, etc.) that the popularity of the films is declining, or that they are a dying trend. They are plenty of movie-goers out here who are not quite tired of MARVEL yet, or superheroes in general. But yes, they will surely have to die down soon considering that we "should be getting there". However, I believe that the past few years in general for superhero films has been very, very good, on the MARVEL and DC sides. I know that Wonder Woman was up there for DCO, sequel coming, and Aquaman was an interesting holiday flick this year. And of course MARVEL came out with a slew of films: Thor: Ragnarok, Spider-Man Homecoming, Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse, Infinity War, Ant Man, Ant Man and the Wasp, Black Panther, upcoming Captain Marvel and Spider-Man Far From Home, as well as some other follow ups and the finale of some sort in End Game. It doesn't appear a downward trend, but if you take a step back and see all the films they've released lately, it's been a lot! So I think my problem with superhero films dying down is the question of what would indicate that? An estimated longevity of cinematic trends? Look at Star Wars. The original trilogy came out, followed by the prequels around two decades later. And then Disney comes in and breaks the box office with The Force Awakens, and then Rogue One and the controversial The Last Jedi. It's an off-and-on trend, and this most recent span appears to have been the ugliest as far as "fan" reaction. Is that the case for MARVEL? Surely if they slow things down as a result of a declining trend, they would pick back up again and have another stint of glory, no? Just some thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 A sign that they are on the way out could be when lots of influencers would be saying "The Russo Brothers killed Marvel" (like they did with Star Wars and Rian Johnson) but that is absolutely not the case right now. They are still regarded as the highlight of the year. And you're right, even DC is doing well, even with Aquaman, a titled most people thought was going to be another DC failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 . crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanobard 71 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Now this, this looks good. Big fan, Spider-Man. Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 Sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 It’s fine, I guess. Really nothing we haven’t seen before. Looking forward to seeing Mysterio on the big screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Mysterio, silly as he was, was always by favorite Spider Man villain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Seems to mainly wanna address the teens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanobard 71 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Mysterio looks very cool, thankfully they kept his fishbowl helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Looks a bit iffy, I loved the idea of Mysterio being a special effects technician, not some Doctor Strange- superpowered nonsense! A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I'm just waiting for Michael Giacchino for the most part, who I have some good expectations for following the groovy Spiderman: Homecoming soundtrack. Zanobard and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 963 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Trailer could easily win worst VFX category at the oscar though… That's… just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanobard 71 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 59 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: I'm just waiting for Michael Giacchino for the most part, who I have some good expectations for following the groovy Spiderman: Homecoming soundtrack. Same here, loved that score - especially the main theme (not to mention that fantastic 1960s theme appearance). I think I also remember reading somewhere at the time that Giacchino was planning on evolving his theme as Spider-Man grows as a character (from an inexperienced teenager with superpowers to a full on superhero), so hopefully we'll get that to some degree in Far From Home. Thematic continuity has been somewhat lacking in the MCU, so it'll be nice to actually get a theme that grows alongside the character it's representing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Zanobard said: Same here, loved that score - especially the main theme (not to mention that fantastic 1960s theme appearance). That was brilliant! Yes! 5 minutes ago, Zanobard said: I think I also remember reading somewhere at the time that Giacchino was planning on evolving his theme as Spider-Man grows as a character (from an inexperienced teenager with superpowers to a full on superhero), so hopefully we'll get that to some degree in Far From Home. Thematic continuity has been somewhat lacking in the MCU, so it'll be nice to actually get a theme that grows alongside the character it's representing. It's been a while since we've heard that kind of thematic evolution in superhero films. Spider-man seems as good a character as any. I must say, Goransson's Black Panther theme felt truly triumphant and heroic, and really hit the nail on the head. I was disappointed at the missed opportunity that was Avengers Infinity War. The score could've been a grand culmination of all the themes and motifs previously used, mixed in with great action writing and few more gravitas cues. I have high hopes for Far from Home's score. Homecoming was just so groovy and fun! The epitome of that was no doubt Academic Decommitment; when the drums go wild as an interlude into the last shabang of the cue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanobard 71 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: I was disappointed at the missed opportunity that was Avengers Infinity War. The score could've been a grand culmination of all the themes and motifs previously used, mixed in with great action writing and few more gravitas cues. Yeah, Infinity War was definitely disappointing in that regard. There's still Endgame though, so here's hoping that Silvestri properly goes for it this time - ideally with a couple of excellent action cues and a bit of an evolution for the Avengers theme. 9 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: I have high hopes for Far from Home's score. Homecoming was just so groovy and fun! The epitome of that was no doubt Academic Decommitment; when the drums go wild as an interlude into the last shabang of the cue! Yeah, I'm really looking forward to it. Giacchino seems to really understand this iteration of Peter Parker, as his music reflects the character really well (Academic Decommitment of course being a great example of this) so fingers crossed we get a solid sequel score. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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