King Mark 3,631 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 unreleased forever, tech guys destroy the recordings is more realisticI wonder how Williams will approach the trailer. if he has not spotted the film in any way, it would be doubtful that he has new themes sketched. But obviously, to use just the old themes would seemingly be unnecessary, as they could have just tracked such music. a completely new, kick ass version of the main titles Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 It's still over a year until we hear the score... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Maybe it'll be like the Harry Potter and Hook teasers with a few themes... and he'll expand from those when he scores the actual film? I guess it really depends how long the teaser is... it probably won't be more than a 2-3 minutes. No doubt we'll hear at least one familiar theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I'm expecting a "Main theme followed by the Force theme followed by the Rebel Fanfare" kind of thing.You can be sure the first trailer will be nostalgia driven, so I'm expecting the music to reflect that.Yeah, I think you're right. Although I wouldn't be surprised if it started with the Force theme first. I expect it to start somewhat similar to this: Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I wonder if we'll get a 2CD album. Seems to be becoming more widespread in the soundtrack world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I wonder if we'll get a 2CD album. Seems to be becoming more widespread in the soundtrack world. Dixon Hill and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I said 2CD. I never said anything about complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Well, there's always hope, I guess. More than likely, a second disc would be screensavers or something asinine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 25, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2014 I love special DVD-ROM content. Maybe printable stickers or posters? Hoping my dialup can handle it if there's an internet game! Gruesome Son of a Bitch, Once, MikeH and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Doug Adams should be the one working on all the Star Wars scores. I want to hear listen to early mockups of Lapti Nek! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I love special DVD-ROM content. Maybe printable stickers or posters? Hoping my dialup can handle it if there's an internet game!You need to insert the CD, enter your e-mail address, solve a Star Wars quiz, and you'll get a free poster. There will be a bonus track. You have to click a link, after which you'll be sent a download link for a TJ Tiesto remix of Lapti Neck, in a mail with a photo of John Williams giving you the finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Maybe since everyone loves J.J. Abrams now, there IS hope they will release an expanded version of the score that Williams hasn't even recorded for a film that isn't even finished sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardHall 30 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I am not too concerned. Williams wrote much of the score for "War of the Worlds" without seeing the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Harry Potter too I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Is he a psychic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 'Damn it, J.J., I'm a psychic not a composer'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I'd love to hear something like The Phantom Menace in sound, with mostly new musical ideas (I dig that one a lot for some reason). But I really really don't know what to expect at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Me too. I'd love to see him return to the TPM sound. It would be a monumental disappointment if he returned to the auto-pilot sound of KOTCS. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMVANQUISH007 1 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Well lets not break the habit of a lifetime if age is the problem for travellingLets send the London Symphony Orchestra to LA for three weeks to score the pictureWe all know it makes senseSuch a damned shame the 20th Century Fox Cinemascope logo is not going to play before it on release either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Well lets not break the habit of a lifetime if age is the problem for travellingLets send the London Symphony Orchestra to LA for three weeks to score the pictureWe all know it makes senseI have a feeling that the AFM would not be happy about it... No way they'll allow this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Why would it have the Fox Fanfare? Fox isn't distributing the new films.As for getting the LSO back, a compromise could be that somebody else takes the conductor's stand in London. That's if he's not up to travelling the distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Conrad Pope! He doesnt mind traveling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 As for getting the LSO back, a compromise could be that somebody else takes the conductor's stand in London. That's if he's not up to travelling the distance.That is much more likely, even though I'm quite sure JW wants to conduct himself as long as he has the energy to do it. In the end, it's all up to him I guess. If he feels right traveling to London, the score will be recorded there. If not, it's gonna be LA musicians. I'm sure he's quite sensitive about this subject much more than we are. He's the first to know how integral the LSO is for the Star Wars sound. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Come on, this is Star Wars, they'll just hologram him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Giant video screen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Just use a CGI conductor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I really hope we hear the return of Luke and Leia's theme given it was so underused in Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Well, Williams hasn't forgotten about Luke and Leia. He constantly conducts it and he even altered the concert theme by shortening it, a revision I still don't agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I'd be fine with the "Luke and Leia" theme returning on the condition that it wouldn't be quoted verbatim from previous cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMVANQUISH007 1 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Yes Gistech-I am well aware that Disney have bought the rights to the Star Wars franchise-i was merely pointing out that the Alfred Newman 20th century fox and opening JW Star Wars scroll music combo will be missed by quite a few that were brought up with it after seeing it all those years ago from the very start in 1977--and yes we all have to move on when distribution rights change but it will be missed.As for the AFM and their policy regarding recording film scores in the US or abroad (and i cite the Lionsgate offshoring issue) if members of that union were asked to go to Europe or Australia or the UK to perform-do you think that musician is going to say no-so why deny musicians of excellence like the LSO coming to do a tour or work on a score in the US -sounds biased to me.It doesnt matter whether a company like Lionsgate gets US tax credits-they are a global company like all the other major film companies who have divisions and studios worldwide-tax credits are given by the irish government-the czechs etc. Films made in the US have been scored in London and vice versa since moving film was created a century ago. These goalposts are never going to change.For the LSO to go to America to do the scoring as well as an opportunity to do a tour might just teach the AFM a few things about one of the worlds greatest orchestras let alone help the US economy in terms of hotels restaurants and transport Next thing theyll be saying successful american singer/composer/musicians wont be allowed abroad to record in Londons Anvil or Abbey road studios on the soundtrack of a filmBut back to the main topicI do find it strange that someone or somebody has posted that JW doesnt fly-where did this info come from-How does he get from LA to New York or conducts in cities around the US-does he go by car or train then?If JW wont fly, then if hes got sea legs lets treat him to a state room on one of Cunards Queen ships to go New York -SouthamptonEither way Star Wars and the LSO go hand in handIf hes able to, I'm sure JW will have already booked the flight to London to do what is right whether it be for the trailer or the main score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 JW hasn't left the USA since 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 If it's that important, get the LSO to Hollywood. Though i guess, pragmatism will prevail and they will use a AFM orchestra. Rather that than Williams letting a guest conductor wave the button in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 If it's that important, get the LSO to Hollywood. Though i guess, pragmatism will prevail and they will use a AFM orchestra. Rather that than Williams letting a guest conductor wave the button in London.Move one man to London or move 100 people to US or just record the whole thing locally. Hmmmm I wonder what the Hollywood number crunchers say. Will Disney shell out that kind of money to keep LSO in the soundtrack cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 It's all up to JW, really. If he thinks it's integral to have the LSO performing the score, then things will be settled for a recording in London. If other considerations will prevail instead, then it will be recorded in LA. I'm sure there are already people at work trying to figure out the best solution for this. I think we'll know sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I could see this going so many ways. Williams making an exception and flying out to London for old times' sake, Williams appointing a trusted colleague to conduct the LSO in his stead (as he had Bill Ross do a few years ago for Tokyo's Star Tours), Williams just recording in LA...well, okay, I guess that's only three ways I could see it going. I'm hoping it's one of the first two. I'd rather hear someone else conduct the LSO than Williams conduct an LA orchestra. Frankly, the tempo is largely built into the music, and I'm sure Williams would still be providing creative direction and approval from afar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 . I'd rather hear someone else conduct the LSO than Williams conduct an LA orchestra.No! Williams not conducting would affect the final result way moreAnd there's almost no difference between LSO and Studio Orchestra Williams recorded scores. Only the Star Wars OT sounds a bit distinct (probably due to the mixing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 The SW Prequels have the same final sound as any other Williams scores recorded in the 2000's. Plus AotC is known to have more hiss and sounds worse than most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 And there's almost no difference between LSO and Studio Orchestra Williams recorded scores.Definitely NOT true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 You cant really hear a performance difference between 2 orchestra's of the same skill level.The differences in recording venue, microphone placement, mixing makes a far bigger difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 You cant really hear a performance difference between 2 orchestra's of the same skill level.It's not true, sorry. Performance is not just a matter of technical skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I never stated that. But the individual difference of each single performer become next to impossible to distinguish if you have 80 to 100 players performing in unison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 It's not a matter of the proficiency of the single player over another. It's really about how the group sounds when it's playing together. There is definitely a difference of sound between European orchestras and American ones, as there is between various individual ensembles in the same country. And there is definitely a difference between an orchestra made of freelance players and a stable symphony orchestra. Okay, maybe to the untrained ear there is no true difference, but ask any conductor or professional musician and they will tell you the same. For me, the difference is quite clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I asked Renovia once, who is a conductor and trained musician and music teacher and she disagrees with what you are postulating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Subjective perception is at play as well of course. It's not a scientific matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Cop-out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 No, really, if all professional symphony orchestras sound virtually the same to your ears, I don't know what to say. I can hear a difference between the LSO and the Angelenos players, as I can hear a difference between the Chicago Symphony and the Wiener Philharmoniker. And that's not automatically to state that one is better or inferior than the other. It's really how they sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I'm not saying there's no difference at all, but that the difference isnt as pronounced as other factors like recording studio, mikes, and especially mixingCase in point is the score to The Desolation Of Smaug, which despite a whole different orchestra from another part of the world doesnt really sound very different at all then the previous 4 Middle Earth scores.Another example, the Boston Pops live sound different then they do on their recordings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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