Williams' worst cue

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

*Facepalm*

What score is that from?

[publicist 4,643]

HOOK

[JoeinAR 1,949]

I think I'd add "Light My Way" from Rosewood to my list. Its placement in the film is obtrusive and unintentionally comedic. It's not much better on album either.

ROSEWOOD! Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time.

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

*Facepalm*

What score is that from?

HOOK

The Face of Palm.

[Ludwig 1,120]

I think I'd add "Light My Way" from Rosewood to my list. Its placement in the film is obtrusive and unintentionally comedic. It's not much better on album either.

ROSEWOOD! Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time.

An elegant score for a more civilized age. That was before the dark times... before the Prequels.

[EdwardHall 30]

"Mutt's Theme" is actually quite nice as a scherzo. The problem is that it does not, in my opinion, complement the character. Mutt was supposed to be an homage to James Dean and Marlon Brando type characters from the 1950s, but his theme is very childish. This strikes me as odd considering that John Williams was composing during the era in which the film was set. Not that I have any experience in scoring films, but I think his theme should have been something jazzy and cool. Williams' certainly has experience with that kind of music from all his Johnny Williams years.

[Quintus 5,399]

Yes!

Thanks for finally spelling it out

[Tom 4,639]

I understand the criticism of the appropriateness of mutt's theme from the point of the view of film criticism--I do not understand how that is relevant as it pertains to the music itself. At the end of the day, the only thing I judge a piece of music on is its acoustic aesthetic value. The adventures of mutt is a fun and exciting piece that is cleverly orchestrated. Whether it was meant for Hitler, Mutt, or William's goldfish makes no difference in terms of appraising the piece of music itself.

[Romão 2,274]

I agree with Tom 100%

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

The Adventures of Mutt = Hook lite.

[Wojo 2,453]

I'd rather listen to the original Brahms piece than the Mutt dreck.

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

I wish Williams had done something clever with "The Adventures of Mutt", like foreshadowing it with a similarly constructed theme with more of a 50's vibe to it. As is, it's still my favorite aspect of KOTCS and is a lot of fun to listen to.

[publicist 4,643]

I understand the criticism of the appropriateness of mutt's theme from the point of the view of film criticism--I do not understand how that is relevant as it pertains to the music itself. At the end of the day, the only thing I judge a piece of music on is its acoustic aesthetic value. The adventures of mutt is a fun and exciting piece that is cleverly orchestrated. Whether it was meant for Hitler, Mutt, or William's goldfish makes no difference in terms of appraising the piece of music itself.

It's a hoedown, more or less. Being 'cleverly orchestrated' is Williams' old-age answer to actually writing a great tune. He's writing little vignettes for the Boston Pops here more than anything else.

[Gnome in Plaid 219]

I'm probably the only one here who prefers Battle of the Heroes to both Duel of the Fates and Across the Stars. Yes the melody is simple, but that's its strength - it's like plainsong or organum with 20th century harmonies. Love the John Adamsish flourishes as well.

I will say though, I prefer the variations in The Boys Continue.

I actually agree with you. Of the three major prequel concert pieces, it's the least musically interesting, but something about it just goes straight to my core. I absolutely love it.

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

I'm probably the only one here who prefers Battle of the Heroes to both Duel of the Fates and Across the Stars. Yes the melody is simple, but that's its strength - it's like plainsong or organum with 20th century harmonies. Love the John Adamsish flourishes as well.

I will say though, I prefer the variations in The Boys Continue.

I actually agree with you. Of the three major prequel concert pieces, it's the least musically interesting, but something about it just goes straight to my core. I absolutely love it.

Agreed. Anakin's Betrayal should've been the chosen concert piece for the score.

[JoeinAR 1,949]

Theme from Hook.

[Wojo 2,453]

Yeah, there were like fifteen. They were all tied for worst, right.

[publicist 4,643]

Theme from Hook.

Which one?

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[publicist 4,643]

I didn't like that one, either.

[A24 4,326]

The album has three good tracks. Main Theme (that is not used in the film). We Don't Wanna Grow Up. Banning Back Home ... The rest of the is too Disney-esque. I did like it at one point but the music so overembellished that it makes me nervous.

[Wojo 2,453]

The album has three good tracks. Main Theme (that is not used in the film). We Don't Wanna Grow Up. Banning Back Home ... The rest of the is too Disney-esque. I did like it at one point but the music so overembellished that it makes me nervous.

It sounds like you listened to the first three tracks on the CD then fell asleep.

[Jay 37,300]

Main Theme (that is not used in the film).

Sure it is. Don't you notice that it's also in the OST track "Hook-Napped"? It further appears in the film during The Ultimate War.

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

I'm surprised that there's so much negativity towards Hook on this board. Sure, it's not perfect but its still pretty damn good.

[Quintus 5,399]

Hook-Napped is one of the album's best imo. We Don't Wanna Grow Up makes me cringe.

[A24 4,326]

The album has three good tracks. Main Theme (that is not used in the film). We Don't Wanna Grow Up. Banning Back Home ... The rest of the is too Disney-esque. I did like it at one point but the music so overembellished that it makes me nervous.

It sounds like you listened to the first three tracks on the CD then fell asleep.

Did you miss the part when I wrote that I once liked it?

Main Theme (that is not used in the film).

Sure it is. Don't you notice that it's also in the OST track "Hook-Napped"? It further appears in the film during The Ultimate War.

The theme is used but not the Main Theme track.

[publicist 4,643]

We Don't Grow Up makes me cringe.

You don't say.

Sure it is. Don't you notice that it's also in the OST track "Hook-Napped"? It further appears in the film during The Ultimate War.

The whole YOU ARE THE PAN cue revolves around this theme.

[A24 4,326]

The piano in the beginning of We Don't Wanna Grow Up is beautiful. Of course, the rest of the cue is a 'typical' school play song but I like it.

[Quintus 5,399]

Yeah but it's ultimately 10 seconds of shrilless middle-class American kids.

Oh you edited.

[Jay 37,300]

Main Theme (that is not used in the film).

Sure it is. Don't you notice that it's also in the OST track "Hook-Napped"? It further appears in the film during The Ultimate War.

The theme is used but not the Main Theme track.

You're talking about the track called "Prologue", right? That was written and recorded for the film's first teaser trailer. This one:

The whole YOU ARE THE PAN cue revolves around this theme.

Nope, You Are The Pan uses a different them than the one in "Prologue"

[publicist 4,643]

How can you tell?

[Jay 37,300]

How can who tell what?

[RedBard 71]

You're talking about the track called "Prologue", right? That was written and recorded for the film's first teaser trailer. This one:

My right ear was jealous of my left ear, and my left ear got a buzz out of it.

Edit: Nevermind. My earphones weren't plugged in all the way. 90s VHS audio quality ftw.

Also... that transposition up a half-step...

[publicist 4,643]

How can who tell what?

You don't know what theme he is talking about. You just guessed.

[Jay 37,300]

The trailer is playing at the right speed; The original OST version is the one at the wrong speed. It was incorrectly downmixed from 48khz to 44.1khz when mastering the original album. On the LLL set, the disc 1 version maintains that incorrect speed, but the alternate trailer cue on disc 2 features the original recording at it's original correct speed.

[RedBard 71]

The trailer is playing at the right speed; The original OST version is the one at the wrong speed. It was incorrectly downmixed from 48khz to 44.1khz when mastering the original album. On the LLL set, the disc 1 version maintains that incorrect speed, but the alternate trailer cue on disc 2 features the original recording at it's original correct speed.

So... this version is the incorrect tempo and transposition?

And the trailer you posted is the correct tempo?

[Jay 37,300]

Correct and correct.

The OST CD and Disc 1 of the LLL set is wrong; The trailer and Disc 2 of the LLL set is right.

[RedBard 71]

Damn...

Now I want the LLL set. Too bad it's sold out Nevermind. Found it on eBay.

[Gnome in Plaid 219]

For me, it's pretty much anything from JFK.

[JoeinAR 1,949]

Theme from Hook.

Which one?

prologue

I like Banning

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

For me, it's pretty much anything from JFK.

I'm not a fan of the electronics.

[publicist 4,643]

Theme from Hook.

Which one?

prologue

I like Banning

We have learned from Jason that the prologue really only consists of one theme that starts after 30 seconds. Now only Alex must explain himself if he really hates that theme...or indeed the sugary HOME ALONE-like melody that actually is the main theme of the film.

[RedBard 71]

We have learned from Jason that the prologue really only consists of one theme that starts after 30 seconds. Now only Alex must explain himself if he really hates that theme...or indeed the sugary HOME ALONE-like melody that actually is the main theme of the film.

Yeah, I have to agree. It's rather saccharine, even in the minor key.

[A24 4,326]

We have learned from Jason that the prologue really only consists of one theme that starts after 30 seconds. Now only Alex must explain himself if he really hates that theme...or indeed the sugary HOME ALONE-like melody that actually is the main theme of the film.

I meant Prologue. It sounds like it's the main theme for Hook but somehow it isn't the main theme, right? Very odd. I'm sure it's written as a main theme, just like Star Wars, Raiders, Superman, ...

[publicist 4,643]

These are actually two themes, the minor mode call to adventure theme opening it and a bright swashbuckling tune more in keeping with Korngold. Both were written prior to the score proper and Williams inserted them in the movie at some key places (Peter's first flight, the whole war sequence) while probably discovering that the sweet theme he labelled GRANNY WENDY on the soundtrack was actually much more fitting for the more syrupy scenes of the movie. They first ones are not really the film's main theme though.

[A24 4,326]

Yes, but I'm sure Williams wrote it with "main theme" in mind. Pure instinctively and thus without knowing the background, it sounds like one. It even opens the album, just like Star Wars, Superman and Raiders. I always considered Granny's Theme to be a character theme. Williams probably expected a different movie.

[mbrannon47 0]

Speaking of fugues, John Williams "Fugue for Changing Times" from his 1985 batch of NBC music is absolutely terrific. The only recording I have is from an awful, compressed YouTube version, but it's much better than nothing.

There's a high quality version over at www.networknewsmusic.com! Victor has so much great stuff put together. Great site.

http://www.networknewsmusic.com/wp/before-hours-close-the-mission-part-ii/

Only think no one can seem to find is the NEW Meet The Press theme (2011 onward).

[JoeinAR 1,949]

Either way it's terrible. Home Alone> Hook. Since Pub made a comparison.

[publicist 4,643]

Yes. But while HOOK is very derivative and indeed too childish in places i cannot hate it.