Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 http://www.liveforfilms.com/2015/04/04/marvel-releases-star-wars-episode-iv-a-new-hope-ogn/Al Williamson is the greatest artist of all time. I am a nearly lifelong fan of the classic Marvel Comics adaptations of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. I've stared at all 6 issues of Empire and the Dark Horse reissues (acquired from comic book stores in the early to mid 90s) more than any other printed material. Marvel is now reissuing them and they have apparently RUINED them! Check this shit out:http://comicbook.com/2014/12/16/marvel-announces-new-remastered-edition-of-original-star-wars-ad/The left is obviously the new "remastered" version. What's perhaps most disturbing about this is that they seem to have made it more resemble the Abrams Star Trek movie. Look at the panel with the Star Destroyer and Blockade Runner in orbit of Tatooine. Jesus Christ.I'm truly concerned for the Al Williamson/Carlos Garzon Empire adaptation. Can we expect to see those classic starfields with like zillions of planets replaced with Abrams lens flares? Will the original Jabba the Hutt be replaced with the SE version? Should we expect SE alterations? Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 The left side looks better. Darth Vader isn't supposed to be blue. Sharkissimo and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I agree, the colors for the version on the right are dreadful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 When it comes to art, you're obviously a prisoner of Federation dogma and human prejudice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 What does that even mean? There is no Federation and we're all humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 The original just has ugly, dated color work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 So the raping of childhoods extends beyond Lucas Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Does Han still shoot first in the comic?It's all that matters, in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 How DARE they update an old comic to today's colouring standards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 The old comic should have been preserved. I hate this updating shit. Art isn't software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Are comics even art? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Are film scores art? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Not really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 WHAT IS ART??? Gnome in Plaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,468 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I see both sides of the argument. I like the slick look of the 'remastered' version, but also the 'classic' look of the original. I used to be a comic buff in my childhood and teenage years (I even did them myself), and although I wasn't that into Marvel or STAR WARS comic book adaptations at the time, a lot of the stylings you see on the right is what I was into - often in b/w. But I guess that ages me compared to most of you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Andy 4,085 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 http://www.liveforfilms.com/2015/04/04/marvel-releases-star-wars-episode-iv-a-new-hope-ogn/Al Williamson is the greatest artist of all time.You, Sir, have excellent taste.I can't believe that anyone thinks this is a good idea. Where are all the purists who cry foul when Special Editions "update" or change art? This is simply a different medium. It's more revisionist bullshit. The new coloring is why I stopped buying comics. Modern computer coloring is slick, drab, and, well, colorless.One on the left looks better.You might also enjoy the new updating of the 1979 Dracula starring Frank Langella. Director John Badham used a similar approach of blanching all the color out of the film until it is nearly black and white.Look, this is a cheap, pulpy comic released at the height of 1970s Star Wars mania. No one's calling this the Mona Lisa. But where do you draw the line, and why is this okay but the Special Editions of films not?They should update the scores and re-release them with more power chords, drum loops, and synth strings.And for the record, this is not the first time these stories were recolored. Dark Horse Comics did the same thing when they got ahold of them in the 1997 Special Edition era. They sucked too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 They are just comics dude. Kids stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Yes! It's not like it's a graphic novel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,468 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 They are just comics dude. Kids stuffWhat are you trying to accomplish with all the 'baiting'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 The one on the right looks way better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Why?The color are incorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Art, it's the drawings, the lines, the dialogues. They should never be changed.But the colors in comic strips... for a long time, it was just a question of technology and economy...I think It's correct to adapt it with modern standards.I prefer the left side, while I remerber that when I was a child I was used to the colors shown on the right.But that was long time ago... in a... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Comics are recolored all the time for reprints. That's not an endorsement or an indictment, but it is a fact. These books have been recolored before, BTW. This is a pretty drastic example.The original versions have been in print/reprinted so many times, and still available digitally, that this doesn't really affect anything. You'll still be able to get the original versions; this is just a way for Marvel to milk a few bucks from people who like it.I may pick them up if they're ever <$5 per collection, but it's not worth cover price just to have modern recoloring. I have the original Marvel versions in paper TPBs and digitally in the "A Long Time Ago..." omnibuses from Dark Horse that collect all of the old Marvel issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 But they aren't. And that's the comic nerds' point. The comic is being altered for its new presentation, but when the movies get updated for their Blu-ray presentation, we complain like it's the worst thing ever. Likely because all but a few prefer the original cuts of the films and resent the updating, while a much smaller group cares about the comics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I just don't like modern comic coloring. Some great Valiant comics from the 90s are ruined in modern reprints too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 They didn't just recolor it. I mean, that space panel is bloody awful. Despite all the liberties taken with these comics and stylized off-model interpretations of things, the original panel with the ships in orbit of Tatooine looks more accurate to the film than the new one, which looks like something out of the Abrams Star Trek movie.And for the record, this is not the first time these stories were recolored. Dark Horse Comics did the same thing when they got ahold of them in the 1997 Special Edition era. They sucked too.I didn't mind those as much, but my original Marvel issues were all fading, so they became necessary? I remember that they were first released in two parts, which I got for Christmas around '93/'94?. Then each film was collected into one graphic novel in 1995. Then they came out again in 1997 with beautiful Hildebrandt Brother artwork. However, Star Wars was completely redone for the 1997 edition (which I wasn't a big fan of) so I had to go back and get the 1995 version.My biggest criticism of the Dark Horse reissue was that they left out the recap/story-so-far pages that introduced each issue of Empire, which I loved. Maybe it was due to all the Marvel credits (which could have been removed) or they just felt they were unncessary since you would be reading the whole thing through. Still, we lost some great artwork. Another oddity I remember was that they screwed up one panel with Luke in the Carbon Freezing Chamber where his lightsaber had what appeared to be a black Sharpie line over it. I actually thought my book was defective and I remember checking the other versions to see if his lightsaber was correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 My biggest criticism of the Dark Horse reissue was that they left out the recap/story-so-far pages that introduced each issue of Empire, which I loved. Maybe it was due to all the Marvel credits (which could have been removed) or they just felt they were unncessary since you would be reading the whole thing through. Still, we lost some great artwork. Another oddity I remember was that they screwed up one panel with Luke in the Carbon Freezing Chamber where his lightsaber had what appeared to be a black sharpie line over it. I actually thought my book was defective and I remember checking the other versions to see if his lightsaber was correct.I'd recommend the A Long Time Ago... omnibus series. It has all of the Marvel issues, including the film adaptations, in full - original colors, all of the story pages, etc.http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Omnibus-Long-Time-ebook/dp/B00PJ2CEIK/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=&qid=Vol 1, has the Star Wars adaptationhttp://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Omnibus-Long-Time-ebook/dp/B00PJ2CEFS/ref=pd_sim_kstore_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1HN76YXS917G59Z1JBAQVol 2 has the Empire adaptationhttp://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Omnibus-Long-Time-ebook/dp/B00PJ2CETY/ref=pd_sim_kstore_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0CVVJVF5R1GEZ75M5HVAVol 4 has the Jedi adaptationThey're available in paper from Dark Horse although likely won't see any more print runs, and Marvel has rebranded the eBook versions, so they're still in print with the same content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 I remember seeing these years ago and the pages were smaller than the originals, which I had a problem with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Ah, yeah, they are maybe an inch smaller on each side than traditional comics - part of the concession of fitting ~500 pages of comics in a book and not breaking the bank. I have moved my reading to entirely electronic (my Kindle Fire, my spouse's iPad), so they're the same size for me as anything else I read.Since they rebooted in 2015, I've bought all of Marvel's Star Wars issues in paper. They all include free digital copies, so I get to support the local comic shop by buying paper, download the copy to my Kindle, and then resell the otherwise unused paper comics.The only thing I really miss about reading paper comics, weirdly, is the ads. Comic book ads are always such a great time capsule of the time the books came out. It's a very different experience reading an issue of Alpha Flight from 1985 vs. buying and downloading that same issue. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 Also, these magnificent pinups:http://marvel1980s.blogspot.com/2011/12/1981-star-wars-pinups.htmlAre these lost to time or did they ever show up in the Omnibuses?Two of my favorite t-shirts which I'm always getting compliments on and no one seems to recognize as classic Marvel ESB comic art (including the Walt Simonson Boba pinup and a mashup of the first page of the ESB adaptation and (NOW...THE) Bounty Hunters from the cover of issue 44), pictured here in awful quality:I'm constantly explaining this to people at Disneyland where apparently everyone wears Star Wars and Marvel crap because it's trendy, but they don't understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Also, these magnificent pinups:http://marvel1980s.blogspot.com/2011/12/1981-star-wars-pinups.htmlAre these lost to time or did they ever show up in the Omnibuses?I want to say that they're in there. They look very familiar. I'd check, but my Kindle is at home, and downloading a comics omnibus from here will definitely run my iPhone data through the roof.Great shirt logos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 13, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2015 Art, it's the drawings, the lines, the dialogues. They should never be changed.They will be... Bespin, Gnome in Plaid and Brónach 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Marvel do this with a lot of their classic comics. I bought a reprint of Amazing Fantasy a few years back that had been recoloured. It's not worth getting upset for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,085 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 ^Now THAT was friggin funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 It's not like they just changed the colors, they changed the drawings.Both look terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 No they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman609 0 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 While I am a big fan of the originals, I personally don't have an issue with the remasters. (And correct me if I'm wrong, but those are not Al Williamson are they? Wasn't Star Wars drawn by Howard Chaykin?)I kind of like the original wonky colors, but I think the new ones look pretty good for an update. The original line art seems to be well preserved even if not particularly well matched to the updated color style.I do have a Dark Horse reprinting that is not the stupid Special Edition version, but does have updated colors, though not nearly this drastic.I honestly think the art of Empire and Jedi will fair even better with the new remastered colors than Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Yeah,it definitely looks like Chaykin artwork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 It's not like they just changed the colors, they changed the drawings.Both look terrible.They didn't change any drawings. The pencils are still the original pencils. And yes, they were drawn by Howard Chaykin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I consider the change in the first panel to be a change in the drawing. The stars are gone, space is no longer black and the planet is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Learn to embrace change Chaac! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 It's not that I care, I was just pointing that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 You cared enough to point things out.Or maybe you are just bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Me too. Athletico isn't up to their usual level and Real hasn't scored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockwave 8 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 My biggest criticism of the Dark Horse reissue was that they left out the recap/story-so-far pages that introduced each issue of Empire, which I loved. Maybe it was due to all the Marvel credits (which could have been removed) or they just felt they were unncessary since you would be reading the whole thing through. Still, we lost some great artwork. Another oddity I remember was that they screwed up one panel with Luke in the Carbon Freezing Chamber where his lightsaber had what appeared to be a black sharpie line over it. I actually thought my book was defective and I remember checking the other versions to see if his lightsaber was correct.I'd recommend the A Long Time Ago... omnibus series. It has all of the Marvel issues, including the film adaptations, in full - original colors, all of the story pages, etc.http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Omnibus-Long-Time-ebook/dp/B00PJ2CEIK/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=&qid=Vol 1, has the Star Wars adaptationhttp://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Omnibus-Long-Time-ebook/dp/B00PJ2CEFS/ref=pd_sim_kstore_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1HN76YXS917G59Z1JBAQVol 2 has the Empire adaptationhttp://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Omnibus-Long-Time-ebook/dp/B00PJ2CETY/ref=pd_sim_kstore_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0CVVJVF5R1GEZ75M5HVAVol 4 has the Jedi adaptationThey're available in paper from Dark Horse although likely won't see any more print runs, and Marvel has rebranded the eBook versions, so they're still in print with the same content.Luke has two lightsabers..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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