TSMefford 1,509 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Chen G. said: You're very right. I was just exaggerating my position to make a point. For the record, this mindset of "The Last Jedi is great, and you'll all realize it within a few years", pointing to other films (Empire Strikes Back not being the least of them) where the critical consensus shifted similarly. I, too, liked the movie reasonably well. I appreciate the response. I enjoy having good conversations on the internet. Doesn't happen every day. I see now the point you were getting at. I definitely don't agree with that. That we'll all look back and it'll turn out it was actually amazing, but I think farther down the line I may look back at it and be like "Eh. It wasn't that bad." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 The critical consensus of ESB didn't shift. He's the only one that thinks that. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 3 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: So you're okay with the super cheesy lightsabre over the shoulder toss? I loved that! I didn't think it was cheesy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I love cheese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I'm allergic to dairy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Me too, but I still love it. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 I'm loving the salt on Facebook over the Falcon design and how it 'retcons' the Falcon's appearance in ROTS (it doesn't, BTW - YT-1300 freighters have always been modular - see the Haynes Millennium Falcon manual - and Han himself says he made a lot of modifications to the Falcon) 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 19 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Me too, but I still love it. I'll take my Star Wars lactose and casein free thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 18 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: I'll take my Star Wars lactose and casein free thanks. I felt a bit bloated after TLJ. It was too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Edit Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jerry said: Star Wars TLJ was long? I don't care about the length of the film. Heck I'm good with three hours. As long as it's Star Wars... I'd love to see three hours of a droid sweeping the floor and a lobotomised Luke wandering around the casino planet saying "Hellllloooooo!" whenever he gets a jackpot. As long as it's Star Wars. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said: I'd love to see three hours of a droid sweeping the floor and a lobotomised Luke wandering around the casino planet saying "Hellllloooooo!" whenever he gets a jackpot. As long as it's Star Wars. Diane is already in it. Karol Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 46 minutes ago, Jerry said: Star Wars TLJ was long? I don't care about the length of the film. Heck I'm good with three hours. As long as it's Star Wars... I LOVE long movies: Braveheart and The Lord of the Rings are my two most revered films of all time. My favorites also include The Desolation of Smaug, and I also very much enjoy Titanic and Jackson's King Kong - all over three hours. But The Last Jedi is too long, because: The first half of the second act - where you expect a film to pick up - is bogged down by the Canto Bight sequence. Between the opening "James Bond opening" and the midpoint, there is a surprising lack of action. Its too out-of-character for this particular franchise. The stakes are too high throughout. You can't have a two-and-a-half hour film where the fate of the entire resistance hangs on the edge of a knife for the entire runtime. It wears the audience down. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 I also love long movies. There's nothing quite like escaping into a long cinematic epic. Braveheart and obviously LOTR are two of my favourites as well...along with the Lean epics. The DC of Kingdom of Heaven. I also agree with you about Titanic. Though I think both The Hobbit and Jackson's Kong (especially in the EE's) run long. But it's all about quality. Some 90 minute films feel interminably long and some 3 hour movies fly by. TLJ to me felt a bit on the long side. They could have dumped the whole casino planet diversion and the movie would have been better for it. And the stakes are indeed too high throughout...the movie has no time to breathe and I felt a bit battered by the end of it. A more deft filmmaker could have kept the stakes high without it being fatiguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Why would professional, experienced filmmakers forget the fundamentals of pacing by including irrelevant diversions like that casino bit? Don't they care about their industry reputation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Maybe they added the casino as a diversion from all those continuous high stakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 The casino sequence is the best part of TLJ. Lots of new music. John and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 The casino planet in the original Battlestar Galactica was better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 The Canto Bight sequence was not pointless. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 For solving the Rebels' problem of how to escape the First Order, the Canto Bight sequence was pointless. For showing the economic disparity of the galaxy after the fall of the New Republic the Casino Bight sequence... Wait, was THIS its entire point? BROOM BOY??? Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 TLJ was too long and there was a significant chunk where Ray disappears and then she's given a thing to do (shooting a cannon), as RLM described Marion's role in KOTCS. I have to admit I forgot all about her! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I had a feeling Rey had been sideswiped in this movie, since viewers hardly mention her in their feedback. They needed more time for Diane and the Chinese lady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said: I had a feeling Rey had been sideswiped in this movie They made up for that with the fifty Reys in a row in the Jedi hall of mirrors. Pieter Boelen and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 What seems pointless to me is Rose/Finn/slave children releasing the faithers. Sure, they damaged the town which I guess is fulfilling but it’s likely the slave children were punished after the fact for allowing it to happen. We saw evidence of physical abuse of the slaves previously. It may have been more impactful if they tried to save the slaves instead of the animals that will just be captured again. And they may have killed others in the process of releasing the stampede. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 It's a shame because Daisy Ryder was pretty good and looked great in all those close-ups, but they just seemed to forget about her character. Maybe that's why Williams' score was lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 His score was not lacking. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 It lacks relisten value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I beg to differ, I think it's one of the most re-listenable and rewarding scores that John Williams has composed for Star Wars. It's a very rich listening experience, for me, at least. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I listened to it once and couldn't wait for it to end. Comparing this to SW, ESB, RotJ and TPM, the relisten value has reduced significantly. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 For Star Wars, it's a pretty damn boring score. It's even more forgettable than TFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Which was even more forgettable than Revenge of the Sith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I liked that score. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Woah, gonna have to stop you right there, Kase. Sith has a great score. Obviously, it's entirely up to opinion. That being said, your opinion is wrong. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I was joking. Since he said "This score was even more forgettable than the last one!", I was saying that, then the next person would say "Which was an even more boring score than Attack of the Clones", then it'd just keep going and going until finally we'd discuss how boring Flash Gordon's score is! Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Ah, I gotcha. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 AotC is an unremarkable SW score with a great album presentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 That's an odd, interesting way to label it...how can a weak score get a great presentation? Elaborate, ma'am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I think she means that the only good parts are on the soundtrack album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Oh hey, that's splendid! That means we're not demanding an expansion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Yeah oddly I feel it's the weakest score and that love theme annoys me, but it has the best album. It conforms more to chronological order, has some effective lengthy setpieces and makes a lot of musical sense. But it lacks the highlights and passion in TPM and ROTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 11 hours ago, Woj said: For solving the Rebels' problem of how to escape the First Order, the Canto Bight sequence was pointless. I think the point was to show that our heroes are not infallible. They make mistakes, behave like idiots at times and need to learn from that just like real humans do. That's also reinforced by what Yoda had to say. Not a bad message at all, truth be told. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f33h8p9Bacc The Han Solo movie could have easily been saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Saved from what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, Demodex said: Saved from what? Plenty of sources have said that Disney were very unhappy with Alden's performance, and they reshot most of the film anyway, so why not replace Alden with somebody who's 'closer' to Harrison Ford? Maybe that's what Alexcremers was getting at. Gotta say, in a series where they painstakingly recreated both a young Carrie Fisher and the deceased Peter Cushing, I'm surprised they did not go for this obvious choice given they're apparently so big on visual consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Exactly, Gistech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Gistech said: Plenty of sources have said that Disney were very unhappy with Alden's performance, and they reshot most of the film anyway, so why not replace Alden with somebody who's 'closer' to Harrison Ford? Maybe that's what Alexcremers was getting at. Gotta say, in a series where they painstakingly recreated both a young Carrie Fisher and the deceased Peter Cushing, I'm surprised they did not go for this obvious choice given they're apparently so big on visual consistency. 1 I think this was a mistake, though. The recreations were creepy and unrealistic, especially Cushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 The cartoon Peter Cushing was ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 In will be improved for the Special Edition in 2033. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They did the same in Blade Runner 2049 and it's terrible as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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