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2 hours ago, Chen G. said:

 

You're very right. I was just exaggerating my position to make a point. For the record, this mindset of "The Last Jedi is great, and you'll all realize it within a few years", pointing to other films (Empire Strikes Back not being the least of them) where the critical consensus shifted similarly.

 

I, too, liked the movie reasonably well.

 

I appreciate the response. I enjoy having good conversations on the internet. Doesn't happen every day. 

 

I see now the point you were getting at. I definitely don't agree with that. That we'll all look back and it'll turn out it was actually amazing, but I think farther down the line I may look back at it and be like "Eh. It wasn't that bad."

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3 hours ago, JTWfan77 said:

 

So you're okay with the super cheesy lightsabre over the shoulder toss?

 

I loved that!  I didn't think it was cheesy. 

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I'm loving the salt on Facebook over the Falcon design and how it 'retcons' the Falcon's appearance in ROTS (it doesn't, BTW - YT-1300 freighters have always been modular - see the Haynes Millennium Falcon manual - and Han himself says he made a lot of modifications to the Falcon)

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3 minutes ago, Jerry said:

Star Wars TLJ was long? I don't care about the length of the film. Heck I'm good with three hours. As long as it's Star Wars...

 

I'd love to see three hours of a droid sweeping the floor and a lobotomised Luke wandering around the casino planet saying "Hellllloooooo!" whenever he gets a jackpot. As long as it's Star Wars.

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4 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said:

 

I'd love to see three hours of a droid sweeping the floor and a lobotomised Luke wandering around the casino planet saying "Hellllloooooo!" whenever he gets a jackpot. As long as it's Star Wars.

Diane is already in it.

 

Karol

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46 minutes ago, Jerry said:

Star Wars TLJ was long? I don't care about the length of the film. Heck I'm good with three hours. As long as it's Star Wars...

 

I LOVE long movies: Braveheart and The Lord of the Rings are my two most revered films of all time. My favorites also include The Desolation of Smaug, and I also very much enjoy Titanic and Jackson's King Kong - all over three hours.

 

But The Last Jedi is too long, because:

The first half of the second act - where you expect a film to pick up - is bogged down by the Canto Bight sequence.

Between the opening "James Bond opening" and the midpoint, there is a surprising lack of action.

Its too out-of-character for this particular franchise.

The stakes are too high throughout. You can't have a two-and-a-half hour film where the fate of the entire resistance hangs on the edge of a knife for the entire runtime. It wears the audience down.

 

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I also love long movies. There's nothing quite like escaping into a long cinematic epic.  Braveheart and obviously LOTR are two of my favourites as well...along with the Lean epics.  The DC of Kingdom of Heaven. I also agree with you about Titanic. Though I think both The Hobbit and Jackson's Kong (especially in the EE's) run long.

 

But it's all about quality.  Some 90 minute films feel interminably long and some 3 hour movies fly by. TLJ to me felt a bit on the long side. They could have dumped the whole casino planet diversion and the movie would have been better for it.  And the stakes are indeed too high throughout...the movie has no time to breathe and I felt a bit battered by the end of it. A more deft filmmaker could have kept the stakes high without it being fatiguing.

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For solving the Rebels' problem of how to escape the First Order, the Canto Bight sequence was pointless. 

 

For showing the economic disparity of the galaxy after the fall of the New Republic the Casino Bight sequence... Wait, was THIS its entire point? BROOM BOY??? 

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TLJ was too long and there was a significant chunk where Ray disappears and then she's given a thing to do (shooting a cannon), as RLM described Marion's role in KOTCS. I have to admit I forgot all about her!

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What seems pointless to me is Rose/Finn/slave children releasing the faithers. Sure, they damaged the town which I guess is fulfilling but it’s likely the slave children were punished after the fact for allowing it to happen. We saw evidence of physical abuse of the slaves previously. It may have been more impactful if they tried to save the slaves instead of the animals that will just be captured again. And they may have killed others in the process of releasing the stampede.

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It's a shame because Daisy Ryder was pretty good and looked great in all those close-ups, but they just seemed to forget about her character. Maybe that's why Williams' score was lacking.

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I beg to differ, I think it's one of the most re-listenable and rewarding scores that John Williams has composed for Star Wars. It's a very rich listening experience, for me, at least.

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I was joking. Since he said "This score was even more forgettable than the last one!", I was saying that, then the next person would say "Which was an even more boring score than Attack of the Clones", then it'd just keep going and going until finally we'd discuss how boring Flash Gordon's score is!

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Yeah oddly I feel it's the weakest score and that love theme annoys me, but it has the best album. It conforms more to chronological order, has some effective lengthy setpieces and makes a lot of musical sense. But it lacks the highlights and passion in TPM and ROTS.

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11 hours ago, Woj said:

For solving the Rebels' problem of how to escape the First Order, the Canto Bight sequence was pointless. 

I think the point was to show that our heroes are not infallible.

They make mistakes, behave like idiots at times and need to learn from that just like real humans do.

That's also reinforced by what Yoda had to say.

Not a bad message at all, truth be told.

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18 minutes ago, Demodex said:

Saved from what?

 

Plenty of sources have said that Disney were very unhappy with Alden's performance, and they reshot most of the film anyway, so why not replace Alden with somebody who's 'closer' to Harrison Ford? Maybe that's what Alexcremers was getting at.

 

Gotta say, in a series where they painstakingly recreated both a young Carrie Fisher and the deceased Peter Cushing, I'm surprised they did not go for this obvious choice given they're apparently so big on visual consistency.

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1 hour ago, Gistech said:

 

Plenty of sources have said that Disney were very unhappy with Alden's performance, and they reshot most of the film anyway, so why not replace Alden with somebody who's 'closer' to Harrison Ford? Maybe that's what Alexcremers was getting at.

 

Gotta say, in a series where they painstakingly recreated both a young Carrie Fisher and the deceased Peter Cushing, I'm surprised they did not go for this obvious choice given they're apparently so big on visual consistency.

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I think this was a mistake, though.  The recreations were creepy and unrealistic, especially Cushing.

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