Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Is that revelation about her parents the reason fans hate TLJ so badly and want it decanonised and retconned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Demodex said: I fully expect Abrams to keep her origin what it is. She doesn't have to be a Skywalker, and the whole cave sequence in TLJ doesn't make any sense if she is. I thought it dovetailed nicely with my favorite theory, which is that she is a clone. A clone of Luke, made from his hand. 5 minutes ago, Margo Channing said: Is that revelation about her parents the reason fans hate TLJ so badly and want it decanonised and retconned? I’d say if you liked the way things were headed in TFA, you might have been disappointed with many 90º and 180º turns in TLJ. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,633 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, Margo Channing said: Is that revelation about her parents the reason fans hate TLJ so badly and want it decanonised and retconned? Part of the problem is that Kennedy said from the start that the episodes would be a continuation of the Skywalker family story. Ben/Kylo is an okay character, but if this trilogy comes down to him being the reason the story exists, it will make for a weak 8 hours. Thus, Rey being a Skywalker is our only hope (see what I did there) of a non-pointless continuation of the Skywalker narrative. and yes, it may turn out to be pointless either way. 1977 and Pieter Boelen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, Tom said: Part of the problem is that Kennedy said from the start that the episodes would be a continuation of the Skywalker family story. I didn't even know Kennedy said that, so this tidbit never really mattered to me. I now just think of Rey as the "other" Yoda mentioned in ESB (always in motion is the future). That's OT connection enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Most figured Ray was related to Luke or somebody because she was on the planet that happened to have the Millennium Falcon. What a coincidence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 That's garbage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Or Maz’s “That lightsaber was Luke’s, and his father’s before him. And now, it calls to you!” Or the whole trailer with “The Force is strong in my family.” And by the way the “other” of ESB was intended to be Luke’s sister, who was not Leia but another character who would pop up in Eps.7-9. If Rey is Luke’s clone, then she’s genetically his sister. ☑ 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Pellaeon said: Or Maz’s “That lightsaber was Luke’s, and his father’s before him. And now, it calls to you!” Or the whole trailer with “The Force is strong in my family.” And by the way the “other” of ESB was intended to be Luke’s sister, who was not Leia but another character who would pop up in Eps.7-9. If Rey is Luke’s clone, then she’s genetically his sister. ☑ If you're going to take intentions as divine law over results/execution... 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 The simple fact is that no matter what you throw at me it only makes my theory more powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Theories are useless when I have TLJ on my side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 How much are they paying you? 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Oh good, my laundry is done. Pellaeon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Pellaeon said: Or Maz’s “That lightsaber was Luke’s, and his father’s before him. And now, it calls to you!” Or the whole trailer with “The Force is strong in my family.” And by the way the “other” of ESB was intended to be Luke’s sister, who was not Leia but another character who would pop up in Eps.7-9. If Rey is Luke’s clone, then she’s genetically his sister. ☑ You lost me at the Luke's clone part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 It’s just one theory, that she was cloned from Luke’s severed hand. She has her Force vision when “reunited” with the lightsaber. In the vision she is on Bespin, and falling. The vision also zooms in on Luke’s mechanical hand, i.e., the fact of his severed hand When she reunites with Luke at the end, the shots focus on her hand, the lightsaber, and Luke’s mechanical hand again. She possesses Force training at a level which requires an explanation—at the level of Luke circa ESB She functions narratively as a clone of Luke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 It’s just as impressionistic sequence of the film. It’s not meant to be taken literally beat-for-beat. Mostly it’s to set up Rey’s rivalry with Kylo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Makes me glad fans aren't in charge. Pieter Boelen and 1977 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Well, we won't know until Episode 9 anyway. Kylo might have been lying about Rey's parents to feed in to her fear of being a no one from nowhere. Or he was telling the truth and Rey's story is free of the restrictions of being a Skywalker. Either way, I'm a happy Star Wars fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 8 hours ago, Margo Channing said: I now just think of Rey as the "other" Yoda mentioned in ESB (always in motion is the future). That's OT connection enough for me. Rey wasn't even born yet. The other that he spoke of was Leia. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Just now, Demodex said: Rey wasn't even born yet. The other that he spoke of was Leia. Things change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Not that drastically. You think Yoda wanted to wait 30 years to train Rey to defeat Palpatine? The other has to be Leia. He said there IS another. Not there may be another one a long time from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Demodex said: Not that drastically. You think Yoda wanted to wait 30 years to train Rey to defeat Palpatine? The other has to be Leia. He was happy to wait 20 years for Luke. Time doesn’t seem to have been important for Yoda. It was all about being ready to take on Palps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Yeah, but Leia was around then. Rey isn't a Skywalker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, Demodex said: Rey wasn't even born yet. The other that he spoke of was Leia. He didn't speak about Leia, much less about Rey. He spoke of another as just that - another. Who that other actually is was to be decided later. And when the time came to decide, George Lucas (who this time was a co-writer, rather than just outlining the bare bones of the story of the film) coped out to "well, in Empire we had a surprising reveal of a hitherto unknown familial connection between two established characters, and that turned out great; let's do it again! I l know! We'll make Leia Luke's sister!" Hands down, one of the worst narrative choices of the entire series, and certainly the one that solidified this stupid expectation for everyone in this universe to be related. 1977 and Pieter Boelen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Regardless, in movie canon it was Leia he was referring to. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Only in retrospect. In 1980 - it wasn't. If you want me to give a damn about the "canon" than better put the work to actually make it feel cohesive and not like its being made up on a whim as you move along. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 It doesn't matter who it was in 1980! It was revealed in ROTJ that it was Leia. That's all that matters! Leia is the other Skywalker. Rey is not a Skywalker. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Yoda said "there is another" in response to Ben's statement that Luke was their "last hope", not "the last Skywalker". Luke's assertion that he's not "the last Jedi", followed by a cut to Rey is a pay-off to that exchange in ESB, since Leia never really worked out as "another" anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 I like Rey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 50 minutes ago, Demodex said: It doesn't matter who it was in 1980! It was revealed in ROTJ that it was Leia. That's all that matters! It matters when, in watching the series, it feels contrived. 45 minutes ago, Margo Channing said: Luke's assertion that he's not "the last Jedi", followed by a cut to Rey is a pay-off to that exchange in ESB, since Leia never really worked out as "another" anyway. It doesn't feel like genuine payoff because you just know that when Kasdan wrote the "set-up", he didn't have that payoff in mind. Makes it feel all the more contrived. All this "Kylo is lying to Rey about her lineage" is nonesense. Its made very clear that she feels he's right, through The Force. Frankly, Rey should never have been a Skywalker. It would only make this universe feel extremly small, and put this story in a box that we've explored all too well. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Chen G. said: It doesn't feel like genuine payoff because you just know that when wrote the "set-up", they didn't have thay payoff in mind. Makes it feel all the more contrived. Sure but that's what happens when you have a 40 year old franchise stewarded by different people. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Margo Channing said: Yoda said "there is another" in response to Ben's statement that Luke was their "last hope", not "the last Skywalke." In ROTJ he tells Luke there is another Skywalker. I guess he died before he could add , "And 30 years from now there will be another person that could be trained if the Empire is still around." Nothing about all this seems contrived. I'm sorry the fan boys got all butthurt by Rian Johnson. Wait, no I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2018 I dunno, I don't mind this Rian Johnson dude. Holko, The Illustrious Jerry and Pieter Boelen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Can I be like Bespin and have a fit because everyone is talking fighting about TLJ in a Solo thread? Anyways, haters, you won't like this: http://www.slashfilm.com/han-solo-sequels/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John 2,032 Posted April 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2018 If Solo turns out to be pretty good, I actually wouldn't mind Disney making more sequels featuring the character. It could be a pulpy adventure serial, like the Indiana Jones series, set within the larger Star Wars universe, with Han and Chewie screwing around the galaxy and going on adventures. Ludwig, Pellaeon, Jurassic Shark and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 I keep clicking on this thread hoping this time we'll have sound samples discovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 Those would be posted to the thread for the score, not the thread for the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 The score IS the film, for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 The third and fourth unit direction ARE the film, for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 The single shot George Lucas helped direct is the film for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 The catering is the film for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 The background alien extras are the film for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 21 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: Anyways, haters, you won't like this: http://www.slashfilm.com/han-solo-sequels/ So if he is in more movies, where does Solo leave off and begin for these to fit in to an Adventures of Han Solo series or something? Is he talking about a Boba Fett movie? Wow. So many possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,643 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 To show you how meaningful to the development slate a "three picture deal" is - everybody from Rogue One also signed on for a three-picture deal, despite the fact that they all It's basically blockbuster boilerplate at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, mstrox said: To show you how meaningful to the development slate a "three picture deal" is - everybody from Rogue One also signed on for a three-picture deal, despite the fact that they all It's basically blockbuster boilerplate at this point. I think I might want to see another Rogue One before I see another Solo, but I haven't seen Solo. Here's hoping that Solo will be pretty much the Star Wars movie where we have the most fun (in a certain way). This is the only one that can really get away with a joke every scene. I hope it will fulfill my thoughts as an action/sci-fi/comedy film, all to a certain degree. And from the trailers, I would say that is about what we can expect. In terms of how people don't like the humour in TLJ: Mr. Abrams, on IX... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 I loved the humor in the beginning of TLJ between Luke and Rey. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 hour ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: In terms of how people don't like the humour in TLJ: Mr. Abrams, on IX... I wouldn't worry. If there's something Abrams knows how to do well, its humor. The Force Awakens is quite funny, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted April 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2018 34 minutes ago, Chen G. said: If there's something Abrams knows how to do well, its humor. Now see I would have guessed the lens flares. Kasey Kockroach, Pieter Boelen and Bilbo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 'The garbage will do...' Who knew that line could be so apt and prescient! Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 The humor in TFA is great. It's integrated into the scenes really well, as opposed to TLJ's clunky gags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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