Popular Post John 2,032 Posted February 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2018 It was a good movie; pretty much the only people who hated it are the 25% of hardcore fans who were butthurt that it didn't fulfill their outlandish theories and speculations. 1977, Oswin Pond, Bilbo and 3 others 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 It's a mess script-wise, but it's funny how easily the prequels could suddenly be forgiven in favor of spitting venom at the new folly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, JohnSolo said: It was a good movie; pretty much the only people who hated it are the 25% of hardcore fans who were butthurt that it didn't fulfill their outlandish theories and speculations. Is that really true though? Or were they just bluntly honest about the film's failings and weren't compelled to sugarcoat it? 1977, A. A. Ron and gkgyver 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, JohnSolo said: pretty much the only people who hated it are the 25% of hardcore fans who were butthurt that it didn't fulfill their outlandish theories and speculations Nah. Rather the cringe-worthy "humour", pointless sub-plots and subversion of established plotlines simply for shock value. Unlucky Bastard, A. A. Ron and John 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 As someone who grew up being told that the prequels are great and I just didn't understand them because I don't watch "real" movies, Last Jedi didn't bother me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I'd hope that movies connect with me on an emotional level, rather than simply not bothering me. In any case, I'm really looking forward to Solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I don't know anyone that didn't like TLJ, most I know loved it. I'm disappointed I only got to see it 3 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: Nah. Rather the cringe-worthy "humour", pointless sub-plots and subversion of established plotlines simply for shock value. And that shock value has limited shelf life. It's a big reason modern horror jump-scare films have no re-watch value. 1977 and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I saw it on under involuntary circumstances, a circumstance of which usually leads to me detesting the movie. As well as, I've never been captivated by Star Wars. I find discussions on them to be fascinating (be they positive or negative) and enjoy reading or listening to passionate diatribes about the franchise. But as films, they never interested me. I don't mean that as bitter dismissal or snarky contrarianism, as I do sincerely enjoy reading or discussing the films for the fact that they're so deeply ingrained into our pop culture. But actually watching any of the films? Nah. Even the music doesn't captivate me much compared to other Williams classics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 32 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said: Is that really true though? Or were they just bluntly honest about the film's failings and weren't compelled to sugarcoat it? Nah, everyone I know's gripes with the film usually boil down to "Poe's 'your mom' joke in the beginning of the film was dumb, the scene where Leia 'flies' through space was weird, the Canto Bight plotline was unnecessary (which is partly true), Luke's character from the OT was entirely ruined, and Rose is the next Jar Jar". TBH, you really should watch the actual movie before providing any input on its overall quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I tried to see it out of curiosity, but it's already out of theaters! Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, JohnSolo said: TBH, you really should watch the actual movie before providing any input on its overall quality. I will when it's on TV for free. But I trust the judgement of many viewers who share my taste. 7 minutes ago, Philippe Roaché said: I tried to see it out of curiosity, but it's already out of theaters! They yanked that out of cinemas quick. It only came out in December! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Spoiler That scene with the giant creature that the Falcon nearly flies into at the end of the trailer definitely has a TPM journey through the planet's core vibe, doesn't it? Luka and Oswin Pond 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Nooo, it's a prequel sequel! 1977 and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chen G. 3,949 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Denise Bryson said: I will when it's on TV for free. But I trust the judgement of many viewers who share my taste. As much as it was a mixed bag of a movie, I’m really looking forward to rewatching it on the small screen, where screentime is far less overbearing. I think much of the test of a film’s quality is on the small screen, because that’s where they endure. Many of my most influential movie experiences were on TV, and many classics only became classics after-the-fact, on TV. Not that I think it would happen with The Last Jedi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Don't compare this dreck to the prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I remember when I first saw ROTS on a small screen... the CGI looked surprising terrible in some scenes! But on the big screen, the CGI amazed me (at the time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Philippe Roaché said: Don't compare this dreck to the prequels. Comparing The Last Jedi to the prequels is like comparing The Godfather to The Room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 You're tearing me apart, Anakin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 More like comparing Carnosaur to Tammy & The T-Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Where did I compare those?! Although, I will say, Canto Bight’s design felt very much in the style of the prequels. Hell, Johnson even tried to retcon the idea that the Jedi were stuffy idiots in the prequels not due to incompetent screenwriting, but as a deliberate character flaw. Yeah right... 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2018 2 hours ago, JohnSolo said: Nah, everyone I know's gripes with the film usually boil down to "Poe's 'your mom' joke in the beginning of the film was dumb, the scene where Leia 'flies' through space was weird, the Canto Bight plotline was unnecessary (which is partly true), Luke's character from the OT was entirely ruined, and Rose is the next Jar Jar". TBH, you really should watch the actual movie before providing any input on its overall quality. So, your Point is that people complaining have a point? A. A. Ron, 1977 and Unlucky Bastard 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, gkgyver said: So, your Point is that people complaining have a point? No. It's the fact that some of those points are largely superficial and have no bearing on the overall film. The fact that some can be disproven with basic lore and logic also says a lot as well. mstrox and 1977 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 It's pretty obvious that a certain cameo in TLJ was originally intended to be Hayden, which had been rumored. It would have been more effective and logical than crazy youngling scene Yoda erroneously referring to Luke like he did Anakin and then using lightning from beyond the grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Hell, Johnson even tried to retcon the idea that the Jedi were stuffy idiots in the prequels not due to incompetent screenwriting, but as a deliberate character flaw. Yeah right... The David Irving of Star Wars lore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, JohnSolo said: No. It's the fact that some of those points are largely superficial and have no bearing on the overall quality of the film. The fact that some can be disproven with basic lore and logic also says a lot as well. Superficial? What do you think TLJ is? You say only hardcore fans complain, which means you welcome the casual audience's superficial liking of the film. So, superficial liking and ignoring "lore" is okay, but superficial disliking and ignoring "lore" is not, because ... reasons? 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 18 minutes ago, JohnSolo said: No. It's the fact that some of those points are largely superficial and have no bearing on the overall film. Of the points you mentioned - I’d say most of them are way past superficial. There’s an issue with humor throughout, the Canto Bight subplot didn’t work for so much as a single moment, and Rose was annoying. Leia’s flying moment really is a small issue, but you have to admit it’s a wierd visual, and the handling of Luke’s character while at times bold and even a bit moving, wasn’t perfectly consistent. Also, the movie has structural issues that make it feel slightly overwrought, and it needed a bit more polish on some of the effects, and some of the performances on the side of the villians weren’t up to snuff, either. Its a good movie - no need to compare it to the prequels. But it’s really not that great, if at all. Hell, I like The Force Awakens better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Of the points you mentioned - I’d say they’re all way past superficial. There’s an issue with humor throughout, the Canto Bight subplot didn’t work for so much as a single moment, and Rose was annoying. Leia’s flying moment really is a small issue, but you have to admit it’s a wierd visual, and the handling of Luke’s character while at times bold and even a bit moving, wasn’t perfectly consistent. I liked he film as a whole but I did think they gave Rose way too much screen time. I wanted to see more of Rey but undead I got the Rose character for a big part of the movie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Even Rey feels secondary in this film, which isn’t really a flaw: the main character of the film is Luke Skywalker. He has the biggest arc, and it’s the conclusion of his arc that turns the tables at the third act. As a result, Rey just about disappears after the midpoint. I would say, she is a bit naive in this: really, you think you’ll turn Kylo, so you’ll turn yourself in? REALLY?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Just now, Chen G. said: Even Rey feels secondary in this film, which isn’t really a flaw: the main character of the film is Luke Skywalker. He has the biggest arc, and it’s the conclusion of his arc that turns the tables at the third act. As a result, Rey just about disappears after the midpoint. Agreed. Given that Rey is obstensiably the main protagonist, she really feels absent through much of the film. Luke is given a lot to do by contrast, most of which however is lame. 1977 and A. A. Ron 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 In term of the trilogy she is the protagonist, but this film is about Luke. The title refers to him and as I said he drives the third act. He is the protagonist here. I don’t mind anything he does, except his attempt at Kylo’s life which is a bit out of character, and for no discernible reason, oh and the blue milk. Otherwise, it’s great stuff. The movie’s issues lie elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I liked Hamill's performance, but agree with him that the direction they took Luke in is not something I would have chosen for the character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 4 hours ago, mstrox said: Maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised - not everyone hated it, despite what it may seem like around here! It doesn't seem that way around here. It seems like an even number of people loved and hated it, while the majority are ambivalent. Even so, literally every time I complain about this film, 2-3 of you click the sad face reaction or comment about how you liked it in spite of my quibbles. 4 hours ago, JohnSolo said: It was a good movie; pretty much the only people who hated it are the 25% of hardcore fans who were butthurt that it didn't fulfill their outlandish theories and speculations. I don't give a damn what theories are fulfilled. I just want something intelligent and involving, something that takes itself seriously and makes me feel the warm fuzzies for the characters. This movie failed for me on all of those counts. But most of all I'm sick of people trivializing my opinion because they refuse to accept let alone understand my reasons for disliking this film. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Philippe Roaché said: Don't compare this dreck to the prequels. I'm so glad it was better than the prequels. Episodes 1 and 2 are shit compared to 7 and 8. 47 minutes ago, Philippe Roaché said: It's pretty obvious that a certain cameo in TLJ was originally intended to be Hayden, which had been rumored. It would have been more effective and logical than Hide contents crazy youngling scene Yoda erroneously referring to Luke like he did Anakin and then using lightning from beyond the grave. Oh, thank God Hayden didn't show up and ruin this part. I don't want to see him in another SW movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Muldoon said: I don't give a damn what theories are fulfilled. I just want something intelligent and involving, something that takes itself seriously and makes me feel the warm fuzzies for the characters. This movie failed for me on all of those counts. But most of all I'm sick of people trivializing my opinion because they refuse to accept let alone understand my reasons for disliking this film. This I agree with. Of all my problems with TLJ, not fulfilling x fan theory was the least of them. I never thought about them or cared about the theories. I just wanted to story to be at least somewhat thoughtful of what came before and where the story was going after TLJ ended. Instead, RJ tossed all that in favour of subverting our expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 48 minutes ago, JohnSolo said: No. It's the fact that some of those points are largely superficial and have no bearing on the overall film. The fact that some can be disproven with basic lore and logic also says a lot as well. The movie being filled to the brim with all the worst parts of past entries is a "largely superficial" thing with "no bearing on the overall film?" Yeah, sorry, things like an incoherent plot and an entire cast of worthless characters have an enormous bearing on the overall film. If I wanted my intelligence insulted, I would have been watching Justice League instead of Star Wars. Also, no, TLJ isn't supported by logic or the existing lore. It shits on both, thoroughly. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Muldoon said: The movie being filled to the brim with all the worst parts of past entries is a "largely superficial" thing with "no bearing on the overall film?" Yeah, sorry, things like an incoherent plot and an entire cast of worthless characters have an enormous bearing on the overall film. If I wanted my intelligence insulted, I would have been watching Justice League instead of Star Wars. Also, no, TLJ isn't supported by logic or the existing lore. It shits on both, thoroughly. So we can chalk it up to brand loyalty as to why it gets a pass from many for these offences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said: So we can chalk it up to brand loyalty as to why it gets a pass from many for these offences? In as far as we can chalk up the negative reviews to simple contrarianism, sure. Either argument is a sweeping generalization of the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Muldoon said: In as far as we can chalk up the negative reviews to simple contrarianism, sure. Either argument is a sweeping generalization of the issue. But is it "simple contrarianism" if a high proportion of viewers have reported similar grievances with the film? Obviously the film has a lot of crippling problems that have upset a lot of people because a. they care about these movies a lot, and b. these problems could have been avoided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I'm just a simple contrarion trying to make my way in the universe. mstrox and A. A. Ron 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Your contrarianism is very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2018 Daaaad! Tawn-We's here! The Illustrious Jerry, Holko, Gruesome Son of a Bitch and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Hang on, son, we'll move into Other Topics. And we'll have a couple of surprises for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 He can count on your emotional and financial support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jerry said: Say, ever make To me, that is the biggest plot hole-when did the storm trooper armor change and when did they stop calling them blasted clones (BTW stormtroopers sounds way better). The clone thing maybe, but how is a change in uniform a "plot hole"? Nobody explained why Starfleet uniforms changed every so often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Came for the trailer discussion, got a whole bunch of rambling about a film I haven’t seen. All I’ll say is, his hair looks weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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