Solo: A Star Wars Story (Ron Howard 2018)

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

10 minutes ago, publicist said:

 

Thank you, fusspot.

 

Funny, coming from a German.

[crocodile 8,000]

36 minutes ago, publicist said:

Yeah, after 4 days. And i rather doubt 600 Mio is what they spent on this, i mean yeah, budgets have ballooned but not quite to that extent.

Remember they shot this film twice. It was probably over 200 million even before Howard. And yeah, promtional campaign can eat up same again.

 

On a side note, isn't it weird to be interested in box office numbers? I always thought it is bit of sad. 😄

 

Karol

[publicist 4,643]

5 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Funny, coming from a German.

 

I'm only half-german and please, considering the slavish nitpicking going on here that is no criteria at all.

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

4 minutes ago, publicist said:

 

I'm only half-german and please, considering the slavish nitpicking going on here that is no criteria at all.

 

Yeah, you would know.

[publicist 4,643]

3 minutes ago, crocodile said:

Remember they shot this film twice. It was probably over 200 million even before Howard. And yeah, promtional campaign can eat up same again.

 

On a side note, isn't it weird to be interested in box office numbers? I always thought it is bit of sad. 😄

 

I doubt they shot it twice, as it were. But my point stands: nobody here has any real numbers or is even remotely in the position to know what the real value chain of these things is. 

3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Yeah, you would know.

 

Stop Lol-ing me.

[leeallen01 2,135]

It wont make over 600 million worldwide. It will struggle to pass 500 million. As someone who doesn't care about Star Wars anymore thanks to Disney's mediocre output, I find this quite funny. 

 

It seems that Star Wars fans wont just mindlessly see a Star Wars movie because it's Star Wars. The fans have spoken. They want a better product, or Disney doesn't get their money.

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

Hopefully this means Disney will never consider a prequel film where Han is six years old.

[Holko 9,516]

3 minutes ago, leeallen01 said:

It seems that Star Wars fans wont just mindlessly see a Star Wars movie because it's Star Wars. The fans have spoken. They want a better product, or Disney doesn't get their money.

 

I have watched it, but would be very happy if this was the case and Disney would realise and act on it.

[leeallen01 2,135]

To gross only half of Rogue One's box office opening, and what will definitely be only half of its final 1 Billion gross, when Rogue One had no known characters and this is a Han Solo film with all the forced nostalgia that Disney can throw at the screen, is rather pathetic.

 

 

Disney are literally just surface film-makers. They simply look at what worked in the original trilogy, and copy and paste it. Another smart-ass droid is in Solo by the looks of it, like K2 in Rogue One, who was another smart-ass droid like Chopper from Rebels, who was another smart-ass droid like 3PO and R2. Now 3PO and R2 aren't singular and are not special within the Star Wars saga. 

 

Lucas successfull recast a young Obi-Wan because Obi-Wan was barely in Star Wars at all. Like 45 minutes of screen time total. Han Solo isn't possible to recast. It was never going to work and never be accepted by the overall Star Wars fanbase. But Disney thought "Han Solo is popular. He'll make us money." But it wasn't the character specifically that was successful. It was Ford's portrayal. But Disney can't see that and just aimlessly killed him off, cast a random young person and expected money. 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

2 hours ago, Nick1066 said:

to be fair, other than Tomorrowland, none of them are awful

 

The only one of the ones I listed that’s interesting in any way!  I kinda love that movie, though.  Fascinating trainwreck.

 

48 minutes ago, leeallen01 said:

As someone who doesn't care about Star Wars anymore thanks to Disney's mediocre output, I find this quite funny. 

 

I find this quite funny coming from a Giacchino megafan, the milquetoast “surface-level” composer that Disney loves to hire!

 

I like quite a bit of his output but I couldn’t resist

[Nick1Ø66 4,710]

I just don't see how you recast such an iconic character that is so built on...well, character. And is so tied into the performance of the actor that created that character. This is a movie that even die hard Star Wars fans weren't even asking for.

 

One thing's for sure, I think this probably puts a fork in any ideas Disney might have had about someone else ever playing Indy once Ford hangs up his fedora for good after the next one.

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

1 minute ago, Nick1066 said:

This is a movie that mainly die hard Star Wars fans weren't even asking for.

 

Indeed!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

And yet Alden was fine.

 

 

[Nick1Ø66 4,710]

Well he could have been perfect but he's not Harrison Ford. That's not his fault, but then why even go there when there are so many other stories to tell?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Because its what the fans want?

[publicist 4,643]

9 minutes ago, Nick1066 said:

One thing's for sure, I think this probably puts a fork in any ideas Disney might have had about someone else ever playing Indy once Ford hangs up his fedora for good after the next one.

 

If anyone would make a good 'Fate of Atlantis' movie, i would be there. Franchising shit to death and putting loving winks in every three minutes instead of concentrating on strong scripts is the recipe for failure (Marvel excepted).

[Nick1Ø66 4,710]

7 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Because its what the fans want?

 

Apparently not. 

[crocodile 8,000]

Alden was better than expected but it's Donald Glover makes the biggest impression in the film. Funny because the doesn't have much to do. You almost want a Lando film. Almost.

 

Karol

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

4 minutes ago, Nick1066 said:

 

Apparently not. 

 

You have to differentiate between die hard fans who basically won't be satisfied with anything, and regular fans who just are looking for enjoyable entertainment.

[Nick1Ø66 4,710]

The Star Wars movies really don't have a future if the die hard fans aren't on board.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

You have to differentiate between die hard fans who basically won't be satisfied with anything, and regular fans who just are looking for enjoyable entertainment.

 

I seem to fit the latter category.

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

Me too.

[Holko 9,516]

You also have to differentiate between diehard fans with an open mind (like me) who don't expect anything world-changing, just something entertaining in their beloved universe (which Solo did not quite suceed in for me); and diehard fans who have no idea what they want (too much like ANH, this sucks - this isn't like SW at all, this sucks), only that whatever Disney's doing is raping their childhood and they can't look away and reread the Thrawn Trilogy in their attic or something.

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

Well said.

[Nick1Ø66 4,710]

I'm more of a casual fan myself.  But I think even casual fans associate Harrison Ford with that role.  And I don't think Disney really created any kind of urgency that this film was a "must see."  Which is what you have to do if you want a mega-blockbuster.

 

And I don't but that the lacklustre opening (relatively speaking) was due to "Star Wars fatigue".  I just think they made a film that enough people didn't feel compelled to run out and see.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Could be possible people have just grown some patience and will wait to see it the second or third weekends, like I usually do these days.

[Holko 9,516]

Possibly. This is not an "event", after all, that you have to be in on as soon as possible, it's just a filler movie, and is advertised as such.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I didn't even see TLJ at the cinema. I have my own home cinema, and I don't go all giddy for these sorts of movies like I used to.

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

2 minutes ago, Holko said:

Possibly. This is not an "event", after all, that you have to be in on as soon as possible, it's just a filler movie, and is advertised as such.

 

Yeah, and Rogue One had the advantage of being the first filler movie.

[Nick1Ø66 4,710]

Most movies like this are typically very front loaded though.  And Jurassic Kingdom is coming in two weeks.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Can't believe Jurassic Park 2 is so close.

[Holko 9,516]

2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

Yeah, and Rogue One had the advantage of being the first filler movie.

 

And being directly connected in plot to one of the most popular movies of all time, possibly revealing new information about its story and changing viewer perception to it. It was exciting and was hyped enough.

[Chen G. 3,949]

45 minutes ago, Nick1066 said:

I think this probably puts a fork in any ideas Disney might have had about someone else ever playing Indy once Ford hangs up his fedora for good after the next one.

 

What next one? I was not aware of such a film.

 

There are only three Indiana Jones films! 

[Nick1Ø66 4,710]

Just now, Chen G. said:

 

What next one? I was not aware of such a film.

 

There are only three Indiana Jones films! 

 

VERY true!

 

And only one Matrix film.  

[Chen G. 3,949]

YES!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I can't speak for millions of people, but I like Rebellion vs. Empire and that made Rogue One feel much more vital.  Solo felt like it should've been a TV show or a novel, not a movie.  Guess I'm just not an expanded universe kinda guy.  I remember I read The Courtship of Princess Leia when I was a kid and thought it was shit.

[crocodile 8,000]

There are only two Alien films in my book.

 

Well, three. Depending on a day.

 

Karol

[Nick1Ø66 4,710]

2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

I can't speak for millions of people, but I like Rebellion vs. Empire and that made Rogue One feel much more vital.  

 

Agreed. I think Disney did a good job in conveying the idea that Rogue One was an essential part of the story, even if it wasn't part of the main saga.  And importantly, it didn't attempt to recast one of the iconic characters and center the movie around him.  

[Disco Stu 15,495]

 

5 minutes ago, crocodile said:

There are only two Alien films in my book.

 

Well, three. Depending on a day.

 

Karol

 

I like all the parts of Resurrection when it felt like a Jeunet film and dislike all the parts where it didn't.

[Nick1Ø66 4,710]

6 minutes ago, crocodile said:

There are only two Alien films in my book.

 

Well, three. Depending on a day.

 

Karol

 

Let's stick with two.

[Chen G. 3,949]

16 minutes ago, Nick1066 said:

Agreed. I think Disney did a good job in conveying the idea that Rogue One was an essential part of the story, even if it wasn't part of the main saga.

 

Yeah, it contributes to the story of the series.

 

When it comes to serialized films, I always think - outside of the theatrical releases - how will they function when watching them at home in sequence with new audiences: kids, nephews, etc...

 

The issue with the premise of Solo is that, being a prequel, it undoes the tension surrounding the introduction of Han Solo in the original Star Wars: the whole idea (for a new audience) being that he is mysterious, to the point that you're:

Not sure whether our heros can really trust him or not.

Think that he is going to go off with his reward, only to be proven wrong when he returns in the very end.

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

23 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

The issue with the premise of Solo is that, being a prequel, it undoes the tension surrounding the introduction of Han Solo in the original Star Wars: the whole idea (for a new audience) being that he is mysterious, to the point that you're:

Not sure whether our heros can really trust him or not.

Think that he is going to go off with his reward, only to be proven wrong when he returns in the very end.

 

This is not a problem if you watch the films chronologically with respect to when they were made.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Agreed. I don't understand why anyone would watch these films out of their release order.

 

Also, isn't that only a thing the first time you watch a film anyway?

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

This is not a problem if you watch the films chronologically with respect to when they were made.

 

Which is what I do. I like seeing the technology develop through the decades.

[Chen G. 3,949]

But that's not the point of a prequel, now is it?

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Solo suffers from many of the same prequel-related issues as Dumb & Dumberer: When Harry Met Lloyd.

[mstrox 6,650]

I know after I broke the internet with my insightful review of The Last Jedi, which you may have seen on the Blu-ray cover ("The Last Jedi is good as hell! - mstrox at JWFAN.com") you've all been anxiously awaiting my thoughts on Solo.

 

It was pretty fun!

[Jurassic Shark 12,053]

Indeed!

[leeallen01 2,135]

4 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

I find this quite funny coming from a Giacchino megafan, the milquetoast “surface-level” composer that Disney loves to hire!

 

Yeah his Disney stuff is terrible. Like UP, Ratatouille, Incredibles etc. Oh wait, they're great.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

See! You should be crawling up to the Mouse to kiss it's arse!