Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Variety reporting that they were fired, didn't get along with Kennedy from the start. Kennedy apparently rules with an iron fist. http://variety.com/2017/film/news/star-wars-han-solo-kathleen-kennedy-director-fired-1202473919/amp/ Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,270 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I'm gonna guess Kasdan just steps in and does it himself. I mean, if he was really that unhappy with how it was going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I hope they're doing alright. The last time I was fired, I went to Disney as opposed to away from it, then across the country to a mental hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 This just kinda shows the product and assembly line nature of big budget Hollywood movies. They are like tech projects, there is a plan and an over-seer, but it is essentially anonymous. No one person is indispensable. Certain people are more important than others, but the guiding principle of the project is the brief and as long as you hire people who can commit to it and just guide them along and follow the process and hit the milestones and do routine sync-ups and check-ups, the end product is achieved and delivered to those who are paying for it. Rogue One. Justice League. Thor The Dark World. Now Han Solo. All different circumstances but instances where the control of the director switched (in various circumstances). And it's all the same. You cannot replace the director on films like There Will Be Blood or Mulholland Dr. But for these films you can. Will and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 This probably means a new composer will take over as well. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Gia! John and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,270 Posted June 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2017 Lawrence Kasdan - Williams? Joe Johnston - Silvestri? Ron Howard - Zimmer? John, Cerebral Cortex and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,270 Posted June 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2017 The time has come! Dole, cameron.osborn, mstrox and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: The time has come! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Oh my God... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Main title scored with a fart trombone (if you don't know what that is, look it up!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Main title scored with a fart trombone (if you don't know what that is, look it up!) I'd take the most autopilot Zimmer score imaginable over another Giacchino score. Bilbo and MikeH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Would Mark Mothersbaugh have scored this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Not Mr. Big said: I'd take the most autopilot Zimmer score imaginable over another Giacchino score. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,270 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 A Hollywood Reporter source also claims differences of opinion on Han Solo's character was a factor Quote "People need to understand that Han Solo is not a comedic personality. He’s sarcastic and selfish." Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon McBride 113 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Why can't they be both? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 No, in this movie Solo needs to lose all his humanity. Be nothing than a cold, sarcastic mercenary. That will set up his redemption in A New Hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: A Hollywood Reporter source also claims differences of opinion on Han Solo's character was a factor "People need to understand that Han Solo is not a comedic personality. He’s sarcastic and selfish." Jesus, which version of the character were Disney expecting? Clearly not a smarmy, sarcastic, womaniser. He's not Frank Drebin for crying out loud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Kennedy should just direct the films from now on. Would make everything easier. Or just bring Lucas back! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Disney should have reassigned them instead. Get them onto the comedic "The Darth Jar-Jar Movie". John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I've never heard Rian Johnson and Gareth Edwards be described as "young indie directors" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 604 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 7 hours ago, Will said: What other kinds of "creative differences" could they possibly have? Who shot first? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I really hope Kasdan doesn't get the job. He's not as good as he thinks he is. A script polish on Empire and George's refusal to take a writing credit have resulted in the guy having this Godlike status but he's mostly made crap. Howard or Johnstone I'd be fine with. I never really had interest in a Han Solo film anyway. I would definitely prefer Herr Zimmer over another Gia score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,270 Posted June 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2017 Donald Glover arriving on set today: Will, Cerebral Cortex, Not Mr. Big and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Bilbo Skywalker said: I would definitely prefer Herr Zimmer over another Gia score. I would prefer Desplat over both! Once and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 He's damaged! Broken. A shell of a man who doesn't care about anything or anyone. Untill Luke and the Force come into his live. Ideally Nolan should have written and directed. With Bale as Solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, BloodBoal said: I would prefer Desplat over both! That goes without saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 There's long been rumours that Kennedy's a nightmare to work under and Lucasfilm staff can't stand her (micromanages everything to within an inch of its life). She always seems quite pleasant during interviews though. And she's bent over backwards to ensure JW's stayed with Star Wars without Lucas, so that alone deserves our gratitude. No other composer would be afforded the luxurious writing and recording schedule JW's had for TFA & TLJ. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,637 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 8 hours ago, Stefancos said: Gia! lol this is the first thing I thought of when I heard the news - they'll probably get Gia for that "familiar" feel 5 minutes ago, crumbs said: There's long been rumours that Kennedy's a nightmare to work under and Lucasfilm staff can't stand her (micromanages everything to within an inch of its life). She always seems quite pleasant during interviews though. And she's bent over backwards to ensure JW's stayed with Star Wars without Lucas, so that alone deserves our gratitude. No other composer would be afforded the luxurious writing and recording schedule JW's had for TFA & TLJ. I really liked both TFA and Rogue One, so keep doing what you're doing Kathy! Holko and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I trust Kennedy more than those two (unkown for me) directors. A Star Wars movie should look like a Star Wars movie, at the base, even if it's not particularly good (like Rogue One)... but in the case of Rogue, it's the timeline that was not good. But the "tone" was good. I always found that there was no story to tell, and I was right, there is not. Now, if you have a story for the Han Solo movie (which I doubt), at least, it must have the "look and feel" of a Star Wars movie. No sex scene, the right tone (not too dark, not too violent, that's sci-fi, but it must be plausible, it's not a comic... well a little bit like an Indiana Jones), etc... you know...A goold old fashioned Star Wars movie. So in Kennedy I trust! Those little twerps, they just have to produce their own movies if they want to express themselves. Poor them, I already see the title of their bio: "The day I almost made a Star Wars movie". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Hopefully, they'll replace Miller with another Miller! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,637 Posted June 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2017 And Lord with another Lord JWMike, Once, Will and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 10 hours ago, Bilbo Skywalker said: I really hope Kasdan doesn't get the job. He's not as good as he thinks he is. A script polish on Empire and George's refusal to take a writing credit have resulted in the guy having this Godlike status I tend to agree with this. Kasdan, while talented (and Empire is the best SW film) is basically the Nicholas Meyer of the Star Wars universe...i.e. both given way more credit than they deserve and regarded the "go to" person/franchise saviour when things go tits up based on nothing but work they did more than three decades ago. John and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Any director would be absolutely insane to take this gig right at this moment. I don't know who would be crazy enough to accept it. And if they want absolute control why they keep hiring these directors with clear and strong personalities in their work? Get some hacks that do the job and go home and are easy to control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,637 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 There have been reports that Rian Johnson (who has really shown the MOST personality in his work, vs. Abrams/MillerLord/Trevvorow/Edwards) has been going along swimmingly with LFL, KK, etc - and they like what he produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 We've seen nothing of the film so there really is no saying at this point. He could just be going along with all their creative pushes and making them happy, because y'know, it's Star Wars and it'll make your career and a ton of cash. I don't like the new trend of tentpole blockbusters hounding after upcoming indie directors. It squashes their voice and if the film tanks so does the director's career. Just look at Marc Webb. DarthDementous and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,637 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 From the sound of reports, Abrams, Edwards, and Johnson were aware that they were directors hired to make a Star Wars movie for Lucasfilm, and willing to defer to their employers. Lord/Miller wanted to make a Lord/Miller movie and weren't taking guidance on that. I do like Lord and Miller. Their involvement was one of the only reasons I was looking forward to it. At least we still have Donald Glover, Thandie Newton, and Woody Harrelson. Bilbo and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 27 minutes ago, Muad'Dib said: Any director would be absolutely insane to take this gig right at this moment. I don't know who would be crazy enough to accept it. And if they want absolute control why they keep hiring these directors with clear and strong personalities in their work? Get some hacks that do the job and go home and are easy to control. Lots of people would be more than happy to kneel down to take the offer. Hollywood is all about relationships and networking ( just like all of corporate America). You get onto a top flight project and come in touch with all these industry heads and department heads and that can lead to further opportunities. Even the chance to work with a big name producer like Kennedy can open up vast avenues for you. Kennedy knows people who knows people etc so next time a juicy project is up, someone might just recommend this director's name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Exactly. Hollywood isn't a burn-your-bridges industry, unless you want a premature retirement. It's filled with egos that like stroking. Like most careers, reaching that point where you have creative freedom means doing what you're told (even if you don't agree) for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,270 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 10 hours ago, Once said: Who shot first? Lord/Miller, technically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 2 hours ago, mstrox said: There have been reports that Rian Johnson (who has really shown the MOST personality in his work, vs. Abrams/MillerLord/Trevvorow/Edwards) has been going along swimmingly with LFL, KK, etc - and they like what he produced. Well why don't they put him in charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dole 17 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 15 hours ago, mrbellamy said: I'm gonna guess Kasdan just steps in and does it himself. I mean, if he was really that unhappy with how it was going. That Hollywood Reporter article says that there are DGA rules that forbid replacing a fired director with another member of the existing crew, so presumably they'd have to find a way to get around that if they want Kasdan. TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,270 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Could that depend on if they were technically fired? Publicly this is still being presented as an amicable parting of ways. Would that rule apply in that case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 If they did indeed walk off and were not fired, I would assume that would be different. If not they could just fire Kasdan then rehire him as director Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,270 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I think either way they'd want to avoid any possibility of litigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: Could that depend on if they were technically fired? Publicly this is still being presented as an amicable parting of ways. Would that rule apply in that case? I think they were technically fired and publicly said to have parted ways with Lucasfilm. mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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