John 2,032 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 26 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: Come on, every one knows Disney did that, not Johnson. It's common sense. Johnson can't even write a script. In my experience, everyone who has said this cannot follow a noodle in a soup bowl, let alone a plot. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I loved The Last Jedi, but it has the 2nd most dull score in SW. (AOTC is the worst) 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted March 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, Smaug the iron said: The last Jedi is great! Rian Johnson is great! Williams Score from the last Jedi is great! Rian Johnson + John Williams = A great score! Yeah, the force theme is great! bollemanneke, The Illustrious Jerry and Chen G. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Demodex said: I loved The Last Jedi, but it has the 2nd most dull score in SW. (AOTC is the worst) Everything about AOTC is the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Across the Stars is just gorgeous. And it was the first ever love theme of the saga! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, leeallen01 said: Except when Rian said he didn't meet with Williams initially, and instead sent him a temp score to work from. Words from Rian's own mouth. Rian Johnson never said this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Yeah, Rian never used the words and, a and to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 ? While it is true that he gave JW this temped version of the movie instead of going through a ‘traditional’ spotting session, RJ has talked about the fact they met and watched the movie together etc. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I have to be in the mood for Attack of the Clones. It's a really good score, and it's unfortunate that it stacks up as one of the lesser ones in the saga. Nonetheless, it goes to show the quality of Williams work once again. His presumably worst (not the best word) Star Wars score is still better than so many, many other scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Across the Stars is just gorgeous. And it was the first ever love theme of the saga! Princess Leia's theme eats acs for breakfast lunch and dinner Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I do not hear the "love to end all loves and end a galaxy over" in most renditions of AtS, just shallow longing. When those quickly sawing strings suddenly up the tempo in the second half of the concert piece, it almost parodises itself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, Holko said: I do not hear the "love to end all loves and end a galaxy over" in most renditions of AtS I said it's the first love theme of the saga, not the last! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Remco said: Rian Johnson never said this. Yeah he did. I heard him say it in an interview before the film was released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Holko said: I do not hear the "love to end all loves and end a galaxy over" in most renditions of AtS, just shallow longing. When those quickly sawing strings suddenly up the tempo in the second half of the concert piece, it almost parodises itself! I think it’s a great piece of music. It’s just too diluted in the film. Williams doesn’t have any other memorable thematic idea running through Attack of the Clones, and what thematic ideas he does have are all so heavily based on it (intentionally so, of course) that Across the Stars, that seems like you’re hearing it all throughout the film, which was also the longest in the series until The Last Jedi came around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Hey, it also has the Separatist motif with the complexity and texture of wet toilet paper and the riveting development of quoting it verbatim over and over! For AotC, the OST is pretty much all I need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I think what Williams was attempting in that particular score is quite admirable: he’s trying to craft an entire score from one centerpiece theme and derive all other ideas from it. It’s kind of the Howard Shore way. Its just a shame that it didn’t stick the landing, and that it ended up with the finished film that we know now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, Chen G. said: It’s just too diluted in the film. 8 minutes ago, Chen G. said: seems like you’re hearing it all throughout the film Make up your mind, already! Chen G. and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,301 Posted March 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2019 Not even Williams could save that abomination of a film. The score might (subjectively) be the worst in the series but it's still better than most other composers on their best day. And even the most mediocre John Williams Star Wars score is still brimming with highlights. Say whatever you want about AOTC or the sequel trilogy, but I don't want to live in a world without Rey's Theme, The Jedi Steps, The Spark, The Battle of Crait, Across the Stars or Confrontation with Count Dooku. Holko, Chen G. and Smaug The Iron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Chen G. said: I think what Williams was attempting in that particular score is quite admirable: he’s trying to craft an entire score from one centerpiece theme and derive all other ideas from it. He obvious gave up that approach when doing the next one. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, crumbs said: Say whatever you want about AOTC or the sequel trilogy, but I don't want to live in a world without Rey's Theme, The Jedi Steps, The Spark, The Battle of Crait, Across the Stars or Confrontation with Count Dooku. But you did before 2002! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, Fabulin said: Wait - Yavar's got his own comic character?!? The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, Fabulin said: @The Illustrious Jerry I am still working on it. I even bought a new DVD of AOTC for that purpose. I will make a noir, Herrmannesque temp track, but it will take dozens of hours, which means long time... the problem is not ideas, or even finding right concept music, but actually matching it with the film. Oh my frustration when I discovered, that the title crawl is much shorter than in the OT and so I cannot really use vintage recordings to temp that... For anyone curious: Lots of Herrmann and Williams music from other scores, but also snippets from: Goldsmith, North, Horner, Morricone, Kilar, Giacchino, Elfman, JNH, Heymann, Griskey, Korngold, Glass, Adams, Koechlin, Stravinsky, Sillescu, Prokofiev, Bach, R. Strauss Nobody needs to watch AOTC again, in any form. Yavar Moradi and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,301 Posted March 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2019 I really hope this film ends with a delicate, War Horse/Finale type cue for Rey's Theme, either her returning to Jakku, reuniting with her parents, or coming to terms with her 'real' family in Finn and Poe. I think that would be immensely more powerful as an ending than just repeating Binary Sunset again (unless the ending is something like Luke and Leia 'becoming one with the force' or something similar, then it would absolutely be warranted). The Illustrious Jerry, Will, Yavar Moradi and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 15 hours ago, Demodex said: I loved The Last Jedi, but it has the 2nd most dull score in SW. (AOTC is the worst) I'll happily listen to AOTC and TLJ scores before I listen to ROTS (my most disappointing JW SW score). Jurassic Shark and mstrox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, crumbs said: I think that would be immensely more powerful as an ending than just repeating Binary Sunset again. Binary Sunset is all he knows how to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Star Wars Episode IX: The Force goes back to sleep. The Illustrious Jerry and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: He obvious gave up that approach when doing the next one. Kind of and kind of not. Across the Stars remains a very central theme. Elements of it crop up in several other thematic ideas. Its a very special pair of scores in Williams careet because, unlike the scores in the other two trilogies, here Williams had a strong sense of the traejectory of the story from the start. So he could write themes like Across the Stars knowing how they'd pay off in the later of the two entries. As a result, I really like the score to Revenge of the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I'm going to make a pretty insane guess for Ep9. It's a little crazy, but here goes; the rebels or resistance (depending on which day it is) will defeat the first order, and Rey will defeat Kylo...again. The score will have zero new themes, because Williams has literally nothing to work from, and he will repeat all his previous uses of his themes, because he already did every conceivable thing he could with all his themes, so much that he literally cannot find another way to perform Rey's theme, because she has zero character to pull from. Or not, you know, maybe it will be great... Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I’m predicting hoping Williams will compose a “finality” theme of sorts, a brand new motif unique to IX that will bring a sense of closure to the saga’s soundscape. The Illustrious Jerry and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, John said: I’m predicting Williams will compose a “finality” theme of sorts, a brand new motif unique to IX that will bring a sense of closure to the saga’s soundscape. The Force theme inverted and played backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: The Force theme inverted and played backwards. Just like our expectations! The Illustrious Jerry and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 45 minutes ago, John said: I’m predicting Williams will compose a “finality” theme of sorts, a brand new motif unique to IX that will bring a sense of closure to the saga’s soundscape. We all know the movie will end with The Throne Room Theme. Lower your expectations a bit. Sir Hilary Bray and John 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, leeallen01 said: so much that he literally cannot find another way to perform Rey's theme, because she has zero character to pull from. She's got sass! She's got attitude! leeallen01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I have to go now. My planet needs me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 There'll be a panel for Episode IX at Celebration in April (to nobody's surprise). Is JW doing anything in Chicago around the same time? They mention "special guests" so that could be fun. Maybe another mini-concert with some sequel trilogy themes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 The 1st teaser trailer will be attached to Endgame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 All signs point to it premiering at SWC, with the title being revealed at the end of the trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 I don't even care what the title is if there is no footage to go with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 45 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: The 1st teaser trailer will be attached to Endgame? Will it be ready in time, though? They just wrapped principal photography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 When does Endgame come out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 How do they pump these things out so fast? Back in the olden days, Lucas would spend the last half of 1999 in pre-production, shoot the movie in 2000, spend all of 2001 and the first few months of 2002 on post-production. Took a lot longer back then. Now they seem to make the whole thing in just two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Mass production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 See, Lucas took his time and care for the production of his movies. They were each special. I think he started writing TPM in 1994, and it didn't shoot until 1997. greenturnedblue and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 The Prequels still sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 It helped that GL was in control and only answered to himself. Now you have a $4 billion investment and pressure to consistently churn out new content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Demodex said: The Prequels still sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Trump lies about everything, so that confirms I'm right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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