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Matt C

Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (J.A. Bayona 2018)

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Jurassic world counts as a jurassic park film...

They replaced the word "park" with "world" for a reason: the dinos are not limited to the island anymore! They're out there, in the world.

Jurassic park III should have been called 'return to the Lost world' or something. There is no park there nor any intention to create one. (like in TLW)

Yes, but the facilities on Isla Nublar were there for the park on Sorna, so there is still a link.

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And the kirbys tought there was only the jurassic park island...clever title! :roll:

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Yes, but the facilities on Isla Nublar were there for the park on Sorna, so there is still a link.

You have those backwards

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Yes, but the facilities on Isla Nublar were there for the park on Sorna, so there is still a link.

You have those backwards

Anyway, you get my point!

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"You... you patented it, uh, you packaged it, you slapped it on a plastic lunchbox and now, now, you're selling it, you're selling it."

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"You... you patented it, uh, you packaged it, you slapped it on a plastic lunchbox and now, now, you're selling it, you're selling it."

- Ian Malcom to Colin Trevorrow.

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I'm with Jay on this - the current franchise feels so far removed from Spielberg's two movies that the new sequel is just another summer popcorn movie, nothing more nothing less.

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Ah. Yea. It was fairly amusing this spring/summer seeing some members so so so antipatory towards Jurassic World. Like it was going to change their lives somehow. It's just another popcorn flick.

Spielberg captured lightning in a bottle the first time around and another film like that won't come around for a while yet

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Yea it is not oscar material, but it will remain in the annals of history as the biggest grossing film of 2015.

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I'm still waiting for this to become available for rental, which will be just before Christmas - I don't go to the cinema.

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Jurassic World 2? It doesn't come out for another three years!

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Only the first two are canon to me. I've already forgotten about Jurassic World and my therapist helped me to get over Jurassic Park ///. See, I can talk about it without breaking things now!

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Only the first two are canon to me. I've already forgotten about Jurassic World and my therapist helped me to get over Jurassic Park ///. See, I can talk about it without breaking things now!

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1. The Lost World

2. Jurassic Park

3. Jurassic Park: The Ride

4. Jurassic Park for Sega Genesis

There's nothing else.

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1. The Lost World

2. Jurassic Park

3. Jurassic Park: The Ride

4. Jurassic Park for Sega Genesis

There's nothing else.

WHAT?! TLW is number one?

What is wrong with you!

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Now now Rich, every one is entitled to their own opinion. It makes us individuals afteral

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Hey, I love TLW. I can watch it almost any time, but it's not a good movie. It has great individual scenes, but as a whole it doesn't work.

The T-Rex rampage at the end is so damn good, though. I don't know why people hate so much on it.

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Now now Rich, every one is entitled to their own opinion. It makes us individuals afteral

You mean Michael. I long ago accepted that E4andE is a weirdo.

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Age of Ultron would kill to have a scene like the T-Rex rampage in the city! When the T-Rex headbutts the bus, you feel the weight of the impact, none of that cotton-on-cotton stuff we see nowadays!

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Am I the only one who loved Jurassic World, yet has almost no interest in Jurassic World 2 (at present time)? Until I know more of what the actual plot is, perhaps. But everything they have alluded to what the sequel will be about (including the hints in the film itself) just doesn't work for me as a "Jurassic Park" film, despite it sounding like a cool film of its own.

From what is being said, they are taking the story away from the islands. While in some ways this is a good thing to keep the series fresh and different, it just takes away the mystique the series has always had with the islands. For me the islands ARE Jurassic Park. Both islands have this wonder about them because they were the unique places the dinosaurs were made and showcased. A unique place that only existed far away that was self-contained and terrifyingly inescapable. And the islands are just iconic now. For me, seeing the old Visitor's Center in Jurassic World (despite its brevity) was one of the highlights of the entire film. Because it was something I always wanted to see again in a ruined state after everything that happened. That was what The Lost World was missing for me. Despite seeing those old buildings in ruins of the place where the dinosaurs were made, there was no true visual connection to what we saw before to dredge up any emotion about it (apart from the mural on the wall in one scene). But in Jurassic World, even when we didn't see familiar landmarks or sites, just knowing that the whole film took place on a remote location cut off from the rest of the world gave the film that sense of isolation.

But now the whole notion is that they are working on making these dinosaurs on the mainland somewhere. Being used for military purposes or other strange genetic modifications. The writer/director of Jurassic World also keeps talking about how it will focus on the relationship between "dinosaurs and man" coexisting in the world (hence why he even alluded the title "Jurassic World" wasn't limited to the name of the park itself). Eventually, I guess, being as common place in the world as any other animal. All interesting stuff! But I guess one of my big concerns is if this will suddenly be a dinosaurs TAKING OVER THE WORLD story, as in shrinking the human species to "Primal Rage" caveman levels? Because I would never buy it, if it is. I'm not going to lie: the reason why the Indominus couldn't be taken out wasn't because it was for formidable but because of human stupidity. Unlike the first film, they had BIG weapons this time, and they still couldn't hit it? It's a pretty big target! Granted many, if not most, dinosaurs were hardly human size. I guess those would be harder to take out.

Regardless of how believable it would be, and exactly how we would coexist with the dinosaurs, my biggest problem is: does this still feel like Jurassic Park? One of the reasons why even The Lost World and Jurassic Park 3 felt like something was missing was because they were missing the one thing that drew us into it in the first place: THE PARK! Sure, most say we see these movies for the dinosaurs. But is that really accurate? There have been a number of films and tv shows and other programs about dinosaurs before and after Jurassic Park. While they obviously varied in quality, there were some that had effects of the dinosaurs that were definitely on par with the best they had at the time (like Disney's Dinosaur, despite the damn things talking). But none of those had nearly the same draw the first Jurassic Park had. Not even it's own first two sequels. So why, then, did it take the 4th film for people to suddenly want to go back, when many here (even me) thought it would draw in a modest crowd at best? The park. For whatever reason, the idea of a single place where people could go to experience these creatures in a zoo-like setting with attractions instills our imagination. Sure, Lost World still had it's own interesting ruins of the place where they were made. But that whole idea just made it feel like a forgotten little secret. Jurassic Park/World felt like a real place you actually wanted to be at. That's the big difference.

So no matter how interesting the plot is, no matter how unique a spin they make on the story; the mystique is being taken away yet again. Before Jurassic Park 4 was revealed to be a "new park" built over the old one, I felt the same as I do now for the next sequel to the point where I was hoping they would just not even make it. Here I am feeling the same way again. I'm probably in the minority, but I wish they would have made a trilogy set at the new working park. Each film some big conflict would happen, but not enough to shut down the park indefinitely until the final film, and that would have been it. Like the conflicts would have mostly been away from the eyes of the tourists until the final film, and more "behind the scenes" with the workers. Honestly, a whole film could have been made about how the park was built over the old one with the dinosaurs that were still there and how they captured or killed them (we know the T-Rex we see is the original, so were there others?). There was a lot of opportunity and room for them to spread this out and really bring people back for more stuff with the park. But nope. There's no way it could re-open now. It's just going to be ruins to rot with the ruins already there from the first film (which were now also destroyed by the Indominus; meaning we'll definitely never see the original park stuff again).

And since Dr. Wu went off the island, along with most of his research and materials that were important, there's no reason at all for any future film to go back to the original islands that I can currently see. Sure, we got two islands with wild dinosaurs now (Sorna, I'm sure, is still protected by the government as a preserve and maybe the same will happen to Nublar now unless it gets blown up novel-style). But when the plot has Wu to make any dinosaurs he wants, and however he wants, why would there be any reason to go back to those islands and do a whole "Lost World" hunt all over again? It may be less expensive, but it's much safer and controlled than risking lives to capture. Besides, since they are clearly going back to the novel version of Wu and making him even MORE ambitious, he will likely tell them that for whatever their new purposes of the dinosaurs are, he could make them BETTER. That the versions on Nublar and Sorna won't be nearly as good as he could make them now, however they want them. Perhaps even more easily controlled or whatever he believes can be done. Just like how Hoskins was saying "imagine one of these (Indominus) a fraction of the size" taking orders, etc.

Essentially, my drawn-out post is saying that I don't like the direction they are taking the story. And yet, I do think it is the only real direction they could take it now without going back to one of the islands and doing the same thing over again. Seeing the ruins of Jurassic World at Nublar would be cool. Learning more about what went on at Sorna would also be cool. But there's no more story for those things to happen. I'm actually amazed what we got for Jurassic World, because I never thought we would get a new park story unless it was a flat-out remake. And even then, I never thought it would be rebuilt on the original island of Nublar, and give us one last look at the original park. I thought that dream of mine was long-gone because of these sequel ideas running around. But now they are essentially back. So my interest is going back down.

It'll be curious to see how big the next film will be. I'm sure the opening will be huge (just like I think Lost World's was). But I have a feeling the same thing will happen to it: it will drop off. Because now they are forced to take the story in a direction that takes things away from what made it so imaginatively fulfilling in the first place. It's not Jurassic Park anymore.

Who else feels this way?

Also, I know this will NEVER happen, but the one sequel idea I think would be great would be to have just ONE person stuck on Isla Nublar or Sorna. They would encounter dinosaurs, obviously, but also uncover secrets of the island's ruins. Alone. Kind of like the failed PC game for the second film called "Trespasser". But I think a "Cast Away" meets "Jurassic Park" film, taking place among the remnants of the park itself, would be something unique and potentially a personal journey story meets thrilling adventure. Again; it'll never happen.

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The film is still 2 years away from shooting, so they have plenty of time to re-write. They could completely change the the plan they have now by then

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