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Oh yes the blue Darth Maul, an insult to the injury really, when you hear the contents of the UE. Alas it sounds great but the music is hacked to pieces. Obviously the people at Sony who produced that set had no idea how it is done right.

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LOL @ the thought that Sony is holding a grudge against the fans. Studio decisions are almost always based purely on profit margin.

This.

Had the TPM UE sold well, they would have released a AOTC UE, regardless of what the fans thought of the first product.

A company is not gonna throw a tantrum and not release a product that sells well just because some people complained about it (yet bought it anyway).

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I just don't understand what the thinking is with this re-release.

I won't buy any of these, nor will most Star Wars fans because we already own this stuff.

However, if they made a box set that reissued the existing 9 discs worth of music (2 discs per OT movie plus 1 disc per PT movie) but added an extra disc consisting of more music for each prequel score, that would make the prequel movie scores either complete or nearly complete (and make all of us happy) they'd be able to sell such a box set to pretty much EVERY Star Wars fan. Wouldn't that be a bigger profit? With a new movie coming out right before the holidays that is specifically trying to recapture the magic of the originals, anything Star Wars is going to sell like crazy. Star Wars fans have shown a willingness to buy anything. We'd all be re-buying the 9 discs we already own to get the three new discs. For the cost of producing three "volume 2" discs for each prequel they'd easily sell 12-disc saga box sets.

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However, if they made a box set that reissued the existing 9 discs worth of music (2 discs per OT movie plus 1 disc per PT movie) but added an extra disc consisting of more music for each prequel score, that would make the prequel movie scores either complete or nearly complete (and make all of us happy) they'd be able to sell such a box set to pretty much EVERY Star Wars fan. Wouldn't that be a bigger profit?

That means more work to do.

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And the reality is that release complete scores means a lack of material to release in the future.

I'd almost bet money we'll see another "Anthology" type release for the prequels LONG before we ever see the 2CD Special Edition type releases for each score. Just think the Concord Indiana Jones set; Lucasfilm made a bank on those releases and, even years later, still stand to make a healthy profit when they finally release COMPLETE scores for all 4 Indy films.

A 4CD release of the prequel OSTs packaged with a bonus unreleased music CD would surely be next cab off the rank for Sony before they relinquish the rights. It also allows them to commission Williams' people to basically restore/master the entirety of the unreleased prequel music only to drip feed it to fans over multiple releases.

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However, if they made a box set that reissued the existing 9 discs worth of music (2 discs per OT movie plus 1 disc per PT movie) but added an extra disc consisting of more music for each prequel score, that would make the prequel movie scores either complete or nearly complete (and make all of us happy) they'd be able to sell such a box set to pretty much EVERY Star Wars fan. Wouldn't that be a bigger profit?

That means more work to do.

Yes, more work but my point was that they could sell 12-disc box sets for the production cost of only three new discs worth of music and some new packaging, and this would appeal to every one who already owns Star Wars music. Put out the box set, then further down the road release the individual movie scores as 2 disc sets. A Star Wars license is a license to print money. Something that exists from the OT era that Star Wars fans do not have is a profit waiting to happen. I honestly thought we'd have expanded prequel scores by now. Home Alone 2 has more releases than the prequels.

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1. These new releases aren't aimed at the people who already own the old ones. They're aimed at all the new fans that are becoming Star Wars and film music fans every day.

2. Sony doesn't have the option of releasing any previously unreleased music. Disney would just say "no". Disney is waiting until they can release their own version of these scores, once Sony's contract runs out. More music will come out then. We have to be patient.

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However, if they made a box set that reissued the existing 9 discs worth of music (2 discs per OT movie plus 1 disc per PT movie) but added an extra disc consisting of more music for each prequel score, that would make the prequel movie scores either complete or nearly complete (and make all of us happy) they'd be able to sell such a box set to pretty much EVERY Star Wars fan. Wouldn't that be a bigger profit?

That means more work to do.

Yes, more work but my point was that they could sell 12-disc box sets for the production cost of only three new discs worth of music and some new packaging, and this would appeal to every one who already owns Star Wars music. Put out the box set, then further down the road release the individual movie scores as 2 disc sets. A Star Wars license is a license to print money. Something that exists from the OT era that Star Wars fans do not have is a profit waiting to happen. I honestly thought we'd have expanded prequel scores by now. Home Alone 2 has more releases than the prequels.

I'm also shocked we don't have anything, I mean its Star Wars, Its guaranteed to make money!

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And the reality is that release complete scores means a lack of material to release in the future.

I'd almost bet money we'll see another "Anthology" type release for the prequels LONG before we ever see the 2CD Special Edition type releases for each score. Just think the Concord Indiana Jones set; Lucasfilm made a bank on those releases and, even years later, still stand to make a healthy profit when they finally release COMPLETE scores for all 4 Indy films.

A 4CD release of the prequel OSTs packaged with a bonus unreleased music CD would surely be next cab off the rank for Sony before they relinquish the rights. It also allows them to commission Williams' people to basically restore/master the entirety of the unreleased prequel music only to drip feed it to fans over multiple releases.

I bet complete Indiana Jones score releases never happen.

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1. These new releases aren't aimed at the people who already own the old ones. They're aimed at all the new fans that are becoming Star Wars and film music fans every day.

2. Sony doesn't have the option of releasing any previously unreleased music. Disney would just say "no". Disney is waiting until they can release their own version of these scores, once Sony's contract runs out. More music will come out then. We have to be patient.

That's pretty significant if true, I certainly didn't realise that. If Sony own the rights of the scores through until 2017/2019, can Lucasfilm and Disney actually deny them the ability to release expanded scores in any form?

Remarkable if true. Perhaps the contract stipulated only Lucasfilm are entitled to commission new releases and only under the proviso Sony Records are the distributor. I can't imagine it was Lucasfilm that signed off on TPM: UE though, that seems like an entirely Sony cock-up, so this doesn't seem an accurate assumption...

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1. These new releases aren't aimed at the people who already own the old ones. They're aimed at all the new fans that are becoming Star Wars and film music fans every day.

2. Sony doesn't have the option of releasing any previously unreleased music. Disney would just say "no". Disney is waiting until they can release their own version of these scores, once Sony's contract runs out. More music will come out then. We have to be patient.

That's pretty significant if true, I certainly didn't realise that. If Sony own the rights of the scores through until 2017/2019, can Lucasfilm and Disney actually deny them the ability to release expanded scores in any form?

Remarkable if true. Perhaps the contract stipulated only Lucasfilm are entitled to commission new releases and only under the proviso Sony Records are the distributor. I can't imagine it was Lucasfilm that signed off on TPM: UE though, that seems like an entirely Sony cock-up, so this doesn't seem an accurate assumption...

Things have always been this way, there is nothing unique about this. Everytime our specialty labels release an expanded soundtrack CD, they have to license the tracks that were already released on the OST from the label that released the OST, and the unreleased music from the studio that released the film.

For example, for Home Alone, La-La Land had to have contracts with Sony for the OST tracks, and Fox for the unreleased music.

For 1941, La-La Land had to license the LP tracks from Sony , and the unreleased music from Universal.

Etc etc.

So for the prequel scores, if Sony wanted to include previously unreleased music, they'd have to license it from Lucasfilm (now owned by Disney) to do so. But why would Disney do that, when they can simply wait and re-do the soundtracks themselves on their own label, rather than share profits with Sony?

So there we are. The fans lose until Sony's license is up.

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Things have always been this way, there is nothing unique about this. Everytime our specialty labels release an expanded soundtrack CD, they have to license the tracks that were already released on the OST from the label that released the OST, and the unreleased music from the studio that released the film.

For example, for Home Alone, La-La Land had to have contracts with Sony for the OST tracks, and Fox for the unreleased music.

For 1941, La-La Land had to license the LP tracks from Sony , and the unreleased music from Universal.

Etc etc.

So for the prequel scores, if Sony wanted to include previously unreleased music, they'd have to license it from Lucasfilm (now owned by Disney) to do so. But why would Disney do that, when they can simply wait and re-do the soundtracks themselves on their own label, rather than share profits with Sony?

So there we are. The fans lose until Sony's license is up.

So any future releases of the Star Wars prequels will require Sony's permission if they contain any music featured in the current OSTs? And any future Indiana Jones scores need licensing from Paramount (or whatever subsidiary released the original OSTs)?

I guess we should be glad the actual ownership of the scores will be fully under Lucasfilm/Disney's control in a few years which should ease the process of getting unreleased music in fans' hands.

But no wonder it's so hard to get expansions or complete scores released. Expansions like A.I. would be a walk in the park compared to the highly commercial scores that John does.

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No, Sony would not need to be involved in any future releases once their contract ends. They never had the rights in perpetuity; It was a different contract because Lucasfilm didn't have their own music label, like the big companies do.

After 2017 or 2019, Sony's done forever with Star Wars music. Disney will own the rights to everything.

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Why do people keep refering to companies as plurals? Company names are singular, so it's "Lucasfilm is..." not "Lucasfilm are..."

People keep thinking of the thousands of mindless drones who do the bidding of these evil mega companies. They are the company.

But you are right. It is wrong.

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It's not wrong because saying something like "Lucasfilm" is just the short way to say "The guys at Lucasfilm".

Actually, saying something like "Lucasfilm doesn't want to release the complete scores" would be more wrong than saying "Lucasfilm don't want to release the complete scores", because a company doesn't want anything, the people working in it do.

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It doesn't matter whether it's a company or a person, names are always singular.

The same applies to governments and their departments. For example, you would say "the United States government has..." It would only become plural if you referred to multiple governments, like "the US and UK governments have..."

The same applies to political parties. For example, you would say "the Liberal party has..." because it's singular, but it would become plural if you said "the Liberal and Labor parties have..."

And finally companies. Forget that they're made up of many people, because so are governments and political parties. Companies have names, and names on their own are singular. For example, you would say "Lucasfilm has..." and "Lucasfilm and Disney have..."

Not difficult!

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We can only hope that:

1. The complete prequel scores leak

2. Sony in a last-ditch effort releases the complete scores before they lose the rights

3. Disney releases the complete scores

4. Intrada releases the complete scores

5. We're not all dead by the time they are released

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Why do people keep refering to companies as plurals? Company names are singular, so it's "Lucasfilm is..." not "Lucasfilm are..."

Corporations are people!

There is no giant flaming eye on top of Sony's main building controlling everybody working for the company? :o

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It doesn't matter whether it's a company or a person, names are always singular.

The same applies to governments and their departments. For example, you would say "the United States government has..." It would only become plural if you referred to multiple governments, like "the US and UK governments have..."

The same applies to political parties. For example, you would say "the Liberal party has..." because it's singular, but it would become plural if you said "the Liberal and Labor parties have..."

And finally companies. Forget that they're made up of many people, because so are governments and political parties. Companies have names, and names on their own are singular. For example, you would say "Lucasfilm has..." and "Lucasfilm and Disney have..."

Not difficult!

Reread the first sentence in my post. Thank you.

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