Wojo 2,453 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 So there was always a pair o' docs in the whole saga? That's heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Early drafts of the screenplay mentioned Doc sort of showed up and befriended Marty some day, suggesting there had always been some sort of time loop effect going on (Doc might have already known he would sent Marty back into the past at some point). Thankfully, this was dropped and they just happen to know each other in the final film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 It actually makes sense that Doc would do that, since he knew a bit of his own future. But its nice to not have it spelled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 8 Things That Still Bother Me About Back to the FutureNever thought about #2 before, but that's a good point!Ditto for #4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Both those points kinda occurred to me last night.The other points are only valid if you apply real temporal physics to the movies, which you shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Yea most of his other complaints are pretty stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 These films, and virtually no other time travel film would work if they stuck to actual science.BTTF 2 would never happen because in the alternate 1985 Doc was commited years ago, so the time machine was never built, which means 2015 Biff could have never gone to 1955 with the Almanac etc etc....Temporal physics is fascinating, but you can't really tell a fun story with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I think #2 only works because of the "ripple effect" described by Doc: the timeline corrects around key people in the story. In the original 1985, Biff is George's boss and in his home. In the improved 1985, Biff now works for George. We see what effect Marty's intervention has had on Biff's personality. I shudder to think whether in the original timeline, Biff succeeded in raping Lorraine anyways, though she still married George. In that case, Biff's outburst in the street before getting the almanac falls flat. #6, what if the almanac, being from the future, was future aware? It kept rewriting itself based on how athletes adapted their play. Biff's clever, he wouldn't blow his cover early, and his investments and acquisitions helped out later. #8 makes perfect sense. There were 96 senators in 1955. Lorraine's dad is an uneducated buffoon. He wouldn't know them the senators from across the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Nah. When Doc and Marty go from 1985 to 2015 at the end of the first film / beginning of the second, its the happy future where Marty grew up rich and Doc survived being shot by Libyans.The bad 1985 is created when Old Bill takes the Delorean back from 2015 to 1955. The problems begin when Old Biff is able to take the Delorean and return it to the good 2015 - he would have gone forward to a bad 2015, not the good one. But then Doc and Marty wouldn't have had a Delorean to use to fix everything, nor the clue about Biff's cane, etc.Then again, the films had previously shown that a change can affect the world around you, ie the photograph in the first movie and the newspaper in the second. So yea, I guess the 2015 world should have changed around them - and maybe you could say it DID, but they just didn't notice on the street the McFlys lived on?Oi ,my head is starting to hurt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I agree that part 2 works because of that. But I don't think its valid science that you could retain memories to a timeline that never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 They never attempted to use valid science in these movies. But they stick to the own logic they created Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 And they should be judged according to that logic. Which doesn't cause headaches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 The fuel plutonium logic breaks down in 3, but that's how you get the train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I thought plutonium was only needed to power the flux capacitor, and the car itself still drove on normal unleaded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Yes. Dialogue actually states that.The time circuits are powered by fushion, but not the actual car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Oh wait... but then without plutonium, how do the time circuits fire at the end of part three? All the train does it get them up to 88 mph...Oh wait... do they HAVE plutonium for the flux capacitor, BUT the flux capacitor only fires with plutonium AND an 88mph speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Twin Pines lot, 1985 This is heavy-duty, Doc. This is great. Uh, does it run, like, on regular unleaded gasoline? Unfortunately no. It requires something with a little more kick. Plutonium. But in 1885, Doc says: Mr. Fusion powers the time circuits and the flux capacitor. But the internal combustion engine runs on ordinary gasoline; it always has. It's right there. It is right there, spelled out. So either Doc is confused in the excitement of nuclear in the first movie, or the writers made a serious mistake that nobody really minds because trains are cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Oh wait... but then without plutonium, how do the time circuits fire at the end of part three? All the train does it get them up to 88 mph...Oh wait... do they HAVE plutonium for the flux capacitor, BUT the flux capacitor only fires with plutonium AND an 88mph speed?Geez Jason. Only the first film uses Plutonium.Mr. Fushion, remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Twin Pines lot, 1985 This is heavy-duty, Doc. This is great. Uh, does it run, like, on regular unleaded gasoline? Unfortunately no. It requires something with a little more kick. Plutonium. But in 1885, Doc says: Mr. Fusion powers the time circuits and the flux capacitor. But the internal combustion engine runs on ordinary gasoline; it always has. It's right there. It is right there, spelled out. So either Doc is confused in the excitement of nuclear in the first movie, or the writers made a serious mistake that nobody really minds because trains are cool. Eh, a minor continuity error not worth bothering about. Just pretend when he said "Unfortunately no. It requires something with a little more kick. Plutonium. " he was referring to the time circuits only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 One could wonder why in 1885 they didnt just siphon some gasoline from the earlier version of the DeLorean that Doc had put in the mine, to be discovered by Mart and Doc in 1955?Maybe it ran out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 That's all we can do. The first movie clearly didn't expect sequels. They did a great job handling such throwaway lines or taking Jennifer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Taking Jennifer and dumping her...twice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 So why does Mr. Fusion only power the time circuits and not the car itself?Assuming Doc had Mr. Fusion added to his car during his visit to 2015 and not from a stop to some even more future time, what else would people who bought a Mr. Fusion in 2015 use it for if not to power their car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 We don't actually know if Doc got Mr. Fushion in 2015.Dialogue indicated he went father ahead in the future.Also, the 2015 scene includes a Texaco... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Right. As a kid I always assumed he got Mr. Fusion from the far future, not 2015.BTW, do you keep spelling it "fushion" on purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Yes....We need to freezeframe other flying cars from the second movie and look for evidence that they are fushion powered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I watched Part II last night. I don't recall seeing Mr. Fusions sticking out the top of the future cars. Plutonium powers only the time circuits. We know this because in the first movie, lightning was used as a replacement power source for the time circuits, while Marty used the gasoline internal combustion engine to get up to speed. I'd say the fusion conversion powered the time circuits and the hover conversion - how would a gasoline engine and rotated wheels create hover? I think I remember the hover system was fried by the lightning. That left the need for gasoline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Aha! That all makes sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,380 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I thought I saw a large public fusion dumpster in 2?In 1990 I thought I had found a big plot hole because they could get gas from the buried Delorean. Unfortunately I knew less about cars then than I do know. You don't leave a car full of gas that you're expecting to sill work 70 years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Right. Doc drained all the liquids from the DeLorean before burying it in the mine. Oil, gas, all gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Seems likely. Thats what you are supposed to do if you put a car into storage for a long period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Nintendo celebrated Back to the Future day with Wild Gunman release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I'm a crackshot at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I paused that scene last night. The girl said that looks like Elijah Wood. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 http://www.dorkly.com/post/67292/the-back-to-the-future-cast-has-aged-way-better-than-expected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 They nailed Biff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Lea Thompson looks amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 She does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I always felt that Thomas F Wilson should have been much more famous and done many more films. Dude killed it in the BTTF movies; his acting is perfect throughout, and he had the hardest role. He played the most variations of his character and each one was completely different. He's had a pretty good career doing TV and voice acting, but man, I feel like he never really got the respect he deserved for the job he did in that series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 He's brilliant playing the perennial asshole! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,244 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Also, in real life he's the nicest guy you'll ever meet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 He didn't call you a butthead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Who are you calling a butthead, BUTTHEAD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,244 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Who are you calling a butthead, BUTTHEAD?I haven't met him in person.Toyota Launches Its Mirai in a Nostalgic 'Back to the Future' Film - Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd Experience Today's Technology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Eric Stoltz ‘Back to The Future’ Footage Might Be Released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 What would be the point of that, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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