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New TV show January 2017.

Executive Producer Alex Kurtzman.

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I don't like the new films at all (despite a really good cast), but I'm holding off on a little bit of hope in that Kurtzman is the *least* of offenders from the Abrams stable. If you told me it was Damon Lindelof, I'd probably be on a private plane to LA right now.

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New TV show January 2017.

Executive Producer Alex Kurtzman.

:sarcasm:

Is there a barf emoticon?

I don't like the new films at all (despite a really good cast), but I'm holding off on a little bit of hope in that Kurtzman is the *least* of offenders from the Abrams stable. If you told me it was Damon Lindelof, I'd probably be on a private plane to LA right now.

Yes, and subsequently removed by studio security in most amusing fashion.

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New TV show January 2017.

Executive Producer Alex Kurtzman.

:sarcasm:

Is there a barf emoticon?

I don't like the new films at all (despite a really good cast), but I'm holding off on a little bit of hope in that Kurtzman is the *least* of offenders from the Abrams stable. If you told me it was Damon Lindelof, I'd probably be on a private plane to LA right now.

Yes, and subsequently removed by studio security in most amusing fashion.

I assure you, on such an errand, only the hand of God himself would stop me in such a task ;)

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Lol you trekkers... I even used the 'forum express' to see if there was a relevant Star Trek thread in which to post AND THERE WASN'T ONE! That masturbatory fans-only thread linked above wasn't listed, so up yours!

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Before we clamor onto the bandwagon - one usually steered by me because I love ragging on things - there are a few things we should be thankful of about this announcement.

First off, and perhaps the most obvious one, is that we got Kurtzman instead of Orci. For those not in the know, Orci is basically a homeless crazy person. If his nutjob reactions to people's internet posts wasn't evidence enough, the fact that his original draft of Star Trek Into Darkness was even *worse* than what the film turned out as should speak volumes to the person he is. Then, he got fired from two major movie franchises (Star Trek 3 and the Amazing Spider-Man series when it was still developing a third film) and then Kurtzman made a public announcement that he and Orci have split ways professionally. To me, that guy burned a series of bridges and will likely end up in the lucrative if unpopular job of script doctor (ala Carrie Fisher). So that, right there, is something to be happy about.

Secondly, this is for CBS. That may not seem like anything to you but I have some backstory to go with it because its important.

After the 2009 Star Trek movie came out, JJ Abrams tried to put the franchise in a choke hold. For lack of a better term, he asked Paramount to can all prior iterations of the franchise (TOS, TNG, etc) in all its multimedia versions and push his new timeline as the one and only. This is because, since the 2009 film was by his production company (Bad Robot), a huge chunk of Star Trek money would go straight into his hip pocket. I'm not sure if Paramount was on board completely (his reluctance to direct Into Darkness seems like a shrewd ploy for him to get more sway) but CBS - who owns Star Trek on a "TV level" - told him to go jump in the coldest, deepest river he could find. Word even filtered down that the reason that there was no television tie-in to the 2009 film reboot was because CBS is *very* aware of how much money the franchise has given them and treats it with silk gloves and they didn't like the Abrams "pew pew pew" version of the characters. So without CBS's backing, Abrams couldn't get his mits any further into the pockets of Trek.

(Since we're soundtrack fans here, let me point out a nice bit of evidence to that story: GNP put out a lovely expanded CD of Goldsmith's Star Trek Insurrection. It was delayed for about a year because Paramount didn't want that album AND Giacchino's Into Darkness debuting on the market at the same time. If Abrams's wishes had gone through, that Goldsmith album would've been canceled or "put on hiatus" for legal reasons but obviously Paramount wants money from old fans and new fans alike...)

So, if anything, CBS making Trek is way better than Paramount. I am not sure how *not* having Rick Berman will change things (after Enterprise was canned, Berman was escorted off the Paramount lot by security, according to the actor who played Harry Kim on Voyager) but I'm willing to give it a go. I actually like Berman *most* of the time, though some of his choices are very arbitrary.

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Let's not kid ourselves: in the end, CBS did it for the money.

Its always about money. But its about getting money for a while, not just one windfall. CBS wants your money for years, so they're going to try to appeal to old fans as much as new ones.

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I've always been curious who the weak link in the JJ Trek movies is. There's a lot about 2009 that I enjoyed a lot. But there's just something off. And it was way off in ID. So was it Lindeloff, Orci, or Kurtzman? I've seen Prometheus, so I'm willing to give Lindeloff a lot of grief right there.

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I've always been curious who the weak link in the JJ Trek movies is. There's a lot about 2009 that I enjoyed a lot. But there's just something off. And it was way off in ID. So was it Lindeloff, Orci, or Kurtzman? I've seen Prometheus, so I'm willing to give Lindeloff a lot of grief right there.

A good question. I'd say they're all guilty to some extent. though JJ Abrams is likely the bandleader here.

STID suffers badly from Orci's personal slant: he's a hardcore (I mean HARDCORE) Truther / Conspiracy person and the film was written as a "post-9/11 America" analogy. At some point, rewrites softened the film a bit: originally it was that Starfleet as an entity was evil, but then they put the onus on the Admiral played by Peter Weller.

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I've always been curious who the weak link in the JJ Trek movies is. There's a lot about 2009 that I enjoyed a lot. But there's just something off. And it was way off in ID. So was it Lindeloff, Orci, or Kurtzman? I've seen Prometheus, so I'm willing to give Lindeloff a lot of grief right there.

The weakest link in the rebooted Trek movies are the scripts. The directing, acting, editing, cinematography, special effects, and music are all top notch. The problem is the stories they are telling.

Ultimately, its hard to know specifically who to blame for that. You can only blame the writers if what we are seeing is their intended vision that they got the directors and producers to agree to make. But usually for big movies like this, you have more of a case of the director, or even studio execs telling the writers what to write. So who knows.

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I agree. The scripts are the weakest links.

I'm still amazed they managed to get a cast together who are totally acceptable replacements for actors who have played those roles for decades.

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The last 3-4 Trek movies, even those predating Abrams, are basically about villains who want revenge with superweapons or something which usually look like Annorax's ship from Star Trek: Voyager. Yes, Wrath of Khan is beloved and a great sequel, but stop ripping it off.

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I agree. The scripts are the weakest links.

I'm still amazed they managed to get a cast together who are totally acceptable replacements for actors who have played those roles for decades.

I agree completely but for some reason still can't stand the lady who plays Uhura this time around? Maybe its me...

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I've always been curious who the weak link in the JJ Trek movies is. There's a lot about 2009 that I enjoyed a lot. But there's just something off. And it was way off in ID. So was it Lindeloff, Orci, or Kurtzman? I've seen Prometheus, so I'm willing to give Lindeloff a lot of grief right there.

The weakest link in the rebooted Trek movies are the scripts. The directing, acting, editing, cinematography, special effects, and music are all top notch. The problem is the stories they are telling.

Ultimately, its hard to know specifically who to blame for that. You can only blame the writers if what we are seeing is their intended vision that they got the directors and producers to agree to make. But usually for big movies like this, you have more of a case of the director, or even studio execs telling the writers what to write. So who knows.

I love the new cast. Especially Pine.

A good question. I'd say they're all guilty to some extent. though JJ Abrams is likely the bandleader here.

STID suffers badly from Orci's personal slant: he's a hardcore (I mean HARDCORE) Truther / Conspiracy person and the film was written as a "post-9/11 America" analogy. At some point, rewrites softened the film a bit: originally it was that Starfleet as an entity was evil, but then they put the onus on the Admiral played by Peter Weller.

Ugh. I saw STID and Iron Man 3 almost back to back. That was not a good week. I never knew how much of that came from Orci. (I did think it was really weird that STID was criticized for having no message.)

So given that, maybe Kurtzman is our best bet?

I would LOVE to see a Star Trek movie more like Corbomite Maneuver. But then, people always complain about Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

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