#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 So lemme get this straight. In the USA you only got the first episode for free? To watch the rest you have to pay CBS $5.99 for their all access app, and still watch it with commercials? What kinda business model is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: So lemme get this straight. In the USA you only got the first episode for free? To watch the rest you have to pay CBS $5.99 for their all access app, and still watch it with commercials? Yes. 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: What kinda business model is this? A shitty one? stewdog1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I wonder why it isn't all available on Netflix there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Because CBS is using Discovery to try and get people to subscribe to their own streaming service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Yes, we're being held hostage to their idiotic streaming ambitions. As if I'm going to keep the subscription past the end of the season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 They will be releasing one episode a week up until November 5, and then there's a hiatus until Jan 7. Perhaps if not enough people are watching it via their streaming service if CBS will just air the rest on regular TV when the show resumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,689 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 No one is being "held hostage." It's a Star Trek show for crying out loud. If you don't want to subscribe to CBS's crappy service, then don't. If you want to watch the show and still don't want to subscribe, everyone knows there are alternative means for doing so. Is everyone who wants to watch something on HBO or Amazon or Netflix "held hostage" by those companies? Don't be melodramatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 It's not the same thing. CBS is a "free" over-the-air channel that airs all of their other shows in the normal network TV way. This one original show they shove off to this new streaming service with no real incentive to stay there other than this one show. It is absolutely taking advantage of Trek fans IMO. stewdog1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 It feels like a rip-off though. paying 5.99 to watch a show and still have ads to content with. And for Star Trek? I mean if this was a Star Wars TV show they might get away with it. But many will either just torrent/Kodi this, or wait till it finally does turn up on Netflix or some streaming service they are already subscribed to. I'm told CBS All Access has mostly shit shows. stewdog1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 If they hadn't aired the first episode for free on their actual over-the-air channel, it probably wouldn't have gotten people as mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 They could have atleast done the first 2 for free, since they do form a sort of self contained story. But to end up 1 with a cliffhanger of sorts and then basically charging money for the rest is simply not something that will sell I think. I'm a lifelong Trekkie and I would have told them to go fuck themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,689 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Yes, it's a rip off. Yes, it's a crap service. But no one is holding you hostage. CBS has what they regard as a premium product and they want people to pay for it. Whether that's a good strategy (probably not) is another question. And if you watched if free OTA, you'd be "held hostage" by advertisers in having to sit through their commercials. 8 minutes ago, Stefancos said: It feels like a rip-off though. paying 5.99 to watch a show and still have ads to content with. Apparently you can pay 9.99 for an ad-free version. Either way, yes, a rip-off. But no one is forcing you to subscribe. Even if the show was outstanding (and it's not, at least yet) I don't know if it would be enough to get people to pay for this service. And if they do, it will be for the 13 weeks the show runs and they'll cancel. Why don't you lot just do what the rest of the world does and torrent it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Netflix mate! I ain't paying nothing extra! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I see no issue with my use of hyperbole to communicate my frustration with CBS' dumb plan for this series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,689 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I agree that what CBS is doing with this series is dumb. In fact the way the entire way the franchise has been handled by both CBS and Paramount has been dumb. No question. In terms of both content and marketing. I just think that saying you're being "held hostage" is a little hyperbolic. Since you've now said the same, I think we're on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Nick's "no one is putting a gun to your head" diatribe is grating, I admit. Question. If Burnham was adamant that the lead Klingon should not be killed, why does she shoot him with a phaser set to kill, not stun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,689 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Because she's a mutinous liar bent on revenge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: Because she's a mutinous liar bent on revenge? That's not what the scene before suggests. I am interested to see if they are actually gonna be able to make me care about Burnham, since she's an experienced officer who commits mutiny and attempts to commit treason in the first episode we see her in. That's kinda like making In The Pale Moonlight your first glimpse of Sisko. Perhaps the producers are big fans of Chelsea Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,689 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 But look how dark and gritty the whole thing is. She's complex! We've never had that in Trek before. It's groundbreaking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: But look how dark and gritty the whole thing is. She's complex! We've never had that in Trek before. It's groundbreaking! Like how they're saying Discovery is the first show with a black lead? Load of bullshit! Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Why do Trekkies have a problem with dark and gritty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,689 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 There's nothing wrong with "dark and gritty." But does everything have to be dark and gritty? I love GOT, but I don't want every show to have that tone. Star Trek is supposed to be about an optimistic future. Even DS9, despite beings Trek's "darkest" show (relatively speaking) still managed to hang onto that ethos. And one of the things that doesn't get much attention is the fact that humour has played a big part of every incarnation of Trek, but I don't see any of these characters laughing it up much in Discovery (though admittedly, it's early). 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: Like how they're saying Discovery is the first show with a black lead? Load of bullshit! They're also saying it's the first Trek show to have "conflict" between the principals and to show a full scale war! Imagine that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Yeah, i agree. I doubt very much we'll see The Magnificent Ferengi or In The Cards in this new show. I hope Isaacs will bring some spark into it. Btw, Jason. Should we add a SPOILER WARNING to the topic title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Makes no difference to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Usually our running tv threads have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 If CBS wants my money, then they need a ton of legitimately watchable content. Most network programing is just not my cup of tea, so as it stands, I have no intention of doling out $11 a month to get add-free content for one show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Great music? From John Debney? Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,689 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Actually I was never much of a Voyager fan but the recent movies and now this new series has caused me to re-evaluate it and appreciate that show more. Voyager definitely has issues, and certainly isn't at a TNG or DS9 level, but at a minimum it feels like Trek and stays reasonably close it its spirit. I'm probably enjoying watching the odd episode now on Netflix more than I ever have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 5 hours ago, Stefancos said: Great music? From John Debney? You're forgetting Bruce Broughton and Joel McNeely!!!!1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 8 hours ago, Stefancos said: Like how they're saying Discovery is the first show with a black lead? Who's saying that? There's an interview with SM-G where she says she's the first black female lead. This is true. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/star-trek-discovery-star-sonequa-martin-green-diversity-inclusion/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,689 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Finally Star Trek is diverse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 21 hours ago, Stefancos said: It feels like a rip-off though. paying 5.99 to watch a show and still have ads to content with. A premium monthly fee for access PLUS there's ads? Lol, US telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 That's actually been the main gripe about the show so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Mike and Rich give an interesting discussion on STD. crocodile and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,689 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Actually, if you want this show to succeed, the fact that it's not free OTA probably means it has a much higher chance of doing so. Because it won't be dependent on traditional TV ratings, and because of the way its financed (with Netflix picking up part of the tab with their overseas distribution deal) there's not as much pressure on the show to be a huge hit right out of the gate. Apparently Netflix was willing to do the show on their own, so as long as they're part of this deal, and public/fan interest in the show remains high, the show should be safe for a while at least...unless the business part of the agreement falls apart. And I suspect if the show is successful internationally for Netflix, it will survive even if CBS All Access doesn't. There's also something to be said for creating content that doesn't have to be geared towards the average viewer just tuning into Network TV. Part of what makes this such a good time for TV is b/c shows produced by HBO, Netflix and Amazon aren't advertiser dependent and can tailor the content to a much more narrow audience. Hopefully, this incarnation of Trek will do that. So while it sucks you can't DVR Discovery for free and skip through the commercials, it's probably better for the show, both in terms of content and longevity, that you have to seek it and and pay for it if you want to watch. The Orville, on the other hand, like Firefly is dependent on TV ratings and probably isn't going to be around long given how much that show costs to produce. I just don't see how its going to maintain the kind of ratings its going to have to get to justify its existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG-SI 10 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Watched it yesterday and it was the same crap Hollywood is shitting out now. My concerns for Star Wars TLJ just raised A LOT. And producers admitting they are deliberately inserting SJW shit into the show. 0 stars of 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Yeah! Messages about prejudice don’t belong in Trek! Oh wait. That’s exactly where they belong. Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Is Michael just Spock 2.0, but with a human twist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 I thought her name was Mika. Must have been the captain's accent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Same, had to look it up on IMDB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 Perhaps the best point they've ever made in a Red Letter Media video is one I've been arguing for years, specifically with the Batman series. It's about wanting to live in the world. The newer Batman films, for instance, are terrible in this regard. Since I was a kid, I wanted to be Michael Keaton's Batman. He was a badass that lived in a dutch gothic manor house and drove the coolest car ever, he hung upside down with the option of sleeping with Kim Basinger, flew a fighter jet, beat the shit out of thugs, ate soup and rolled around on the couch with Michelle Pfeiffer. It really doesn't get any cooler than that. Batman in the newer films is miserable as fuck, living in a crappy post-9/11 world where everyone he loves dies rather than a fantastic city that looks like a German expressionist work of art with computers and Alfred in an old European car driving on the wrong side. Not to derail the discussion in a typical JWFan way, but this is the problem with everything now. I used to love the Star Trek universe. It was a place I would want to live. I want to wear the uniforms, play in the holodeck with Data and Geordi, have cake with Seven of Nine, chug away at a computer console in the back corner of the bridge, drink at Quark's and have a good wank in the sonic showers. Post-2000(-ish) Trek is totally unappealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,689 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 1 minute ago, The Doctor said: Not to derail the discussion in a typical JWFan way, but this is the problem with everything now. I used to love the Star Trek universe. It was a place I would want to live. I want to wear the uniforms, play in the holodeck with Data and Geordi, have cake with Seven of Nine, chug away at a computer console in the back corner of the bridge and have a good wank in the sonic showers. Post-2000(-ish) Trek is totally unappealing. So in your fantasy world (where presumably you can do anything you wish) you have cake with Seven of Nine but have a good wank in the sonic showers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Sounds about right for who you are talking to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 In a world with the holodeck, I ain't wankin' in the shower anymore... Anyway, one of the reasons fans responded to DS9 so much is because it was the first Trek show not to be primarily about a utopian vision of what our future could be. Discovery is very much trying to be in that spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 22 minutes ago, The Doctor said: Not to derail the discussion in a typical JWFan way, but this is the problem with everything now. I used to love the Star Trek universe. It was a place I would want to live. I want to wear the uniforms, play in the holodeck with Data and Geordi, have cake with Seven of Nine, chug away at a computer console in the back corner of the bridge, drink at Quark's and have a good wank in the sonic showers. Post-2000(-ish) Trek is totally unappealing. Somedays, when I'm doing my dreary work in my meaningless existence my mind wonders to what it would be like, living on that station... stewdog1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Stefancos said: my mind wonders to what it would be like, living on that station... Dangerous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 Massaging Kira... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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