MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score

[deleted account 108]

4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

@elvisjones, could you say something about how you're involved in the industry?

 

I work with a music editor, and I know a few composers.  I went to the same school as Joe Kraemer and have since followed his career with great interest, it's true.

 

I am a huge John Williams fan, especially of his Star Wars music, so I usually only post about that, but since I kind of know Kraemer I post about that too sometimes....

[Jurassic Shark 12,055]

4 minutes ago, elvisjones said:

 

I work with a music editor, and I know a few composers.  I went to the same school as Joe Kraemer and have since followed his career with great interest, it's true.

 

I am a huge John Williams fan, especially of his Star Wars music, so I usually only post about that, but since I kind of know Kraemer I post about that too sometimes....

 

So what do you do? Are you assisting the editor on soundtrack recordings?

[deleted account 108]

Just now, Jurassic Shark said:

 

So what do you do? Are you assisting the editor on soundtrack recordings?

 All sorts of things - archiving takes, helping find temp music, programming streamers and punches (although that is very rare these days), conforming old temps or mockups from a composer to a new version of the movie during the editing process, helping find things for soundtrack reissues, stuff like that.  once in a while i help with the printing and copying of the sheet music, and I used to do some orchestration work, but not really anymore.

 

 

 

[Jurassic Shark 12,055]

5 minutes ago, elvisjones said:

 All sorts of things - archiving takes, helping find temp music, programming streamers and punches (although that is very rare these days), conforming old temps or mockups from a composer to a new version of the movie during the editing process, helping find things for soundtrack reissues, stuff like that.  once in a while i help with the printing and copying of the sheet music, and I used to do some orchestration work, but not really anymore.

 

That sounds like an interesting job.

 

Have you ever worked on something JW related?

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7 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Have you ever worked on something JW related?

 

I wish, but no, not really.  I came really close on one thing, but it didn't work out.

[Jurassic Shark 12,055]

7 minutes ago, elvisjones said:

 

I wish, but no, not really.  I came really close on one thing, but it didn't work out.

 

Don't give up! After all, according to JW, it's sustained hard work that makes success!

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

1 hour ago, elvisjones said:

 I used to be.  Now I am Lorne Balfe.

 

 

I bet you don't give a shit about replacing yourself, do you Lorne, you selfish bastard?

[deleted account 108]

5 hours ago, TGP said:

 

I bet you don't give a shit about replacing yourself, do you Lorne, you selfish bastard?

 

Watch out TGP or you'll be next >:-)

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

On 5/23/2018 at 7:28 PM, publicist said:

Well, if you would have written it like this the firs time it wouldn't have raised questions. Though i still find the it curious with what they ended up with - which doesn't sound like 70's WIlliams at all.

 

Yeah, I wondered about that. I was listening to Black Sunday the other day (a personal favourite) and for the fun of it, decided to pop up a few clips of Rogue One, mute the sound and sync them with cues from BS. With the exception of the groovy Fender bass/hi-hat stuff, it worked perfectly. 

 

 

Now THAT is what Death Troopers should've sounded like.

 

Not Spaceballs 2: Electric Boogalo.

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

1 hour ago, elvisjones said:

 

Watch out TGP or you'll be next >:-)

 

Few would mourn!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I would mourn your passing.

[Nick Parker 3,040]

JWFan would hold a vigil and procession with a 24 hour marathon of Interstellar with Eric Whitacre playing the whole way through.

[crocodile 8,000]

4 hours ago, Nick Parker said:

JWFan would hold a vigil and procession with a 24 hour marathon of Interstellar with Eric Whitacre playing the whole way through.

 

 

Karol

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Early critical hype on this movie is off the charts

 

Typical review:

Vanity Fair: Mission: Impossible — Fallout Is the Best Action Movie of the Year

 

There’s also this:

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Lorne Balfe’s score swells and thrums and booms in similarly epic proportions. He’s an acolyte of Nolan familiar Hans Zimmer, a fact you can hear in every chord that approaches “bwaaamp.”

 

[JoeinAR 1,949]

So that means the movie lacks a good score.

[Jay 37,346]

Samples are online for Balfe's score; It's getting a 95 minute digital release by Paramount, as well a shorter physical CD by LLL

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07FKV97LX

 

Go right to track 8 sample if you want to hear what he does with Schifrin's theme.

 

I'm listening with a completely open mind, but so far I haven't heard anything I like more than what Kraemer, Elfman, and Giacchino did

[John 2,032]

18 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

Early critical hype on this movie is off the charts

 

My thoughts exactly. Currently 97% on RT. I assumed it would garner generally positive reviews, but I didn't expect it to receive straight-up critical acclaim.

[Kasey Kockroach 2,344]

Tom Cruise doesn't deserve good music. He scares me.

[Jay 37,346]

The final track sample features Schifrin's theme backed up by EPIC CHOIR 

 

Overall, not impressed at all.

[Jurassic Shark 12,055]

Wasn't this the guy who said his scores were not intended for listening outside of the movies? He sure was right about that. And still he's OK with a 95 minute digital album release. 

 

To think what Kraemer could have accomplished...

[Kasey Kockroach 2,344]

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Shame about the score but I am SUPER pumped for the movie.

[Jurassic Shark 12,055]

Ditto. It seems like a classy film just like Rogue Nation is - too bad it lacks a classy score.

[Mr. Who 919]

I really liked Kraemer's work on MI5 and Giacchino's work on MI4 (hated his MI3 score though) and I was a bit bummed that Kraemer didn't return for MI6 but I give Balfe the benefit of the doubt. I have yet to listen to the samples but he was clearly asked to score the movie in a certain way.

 

Btw check out his Genius: Picasso score... it's really good and the opposite of his horrible actions cores.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Those samples sound effing atrocious

[Mr. Who 919]

Synthy?

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Just that super overblown, overmixed, over compressed modern sound that is so ugly to my ears.  Somehow airless and lacking humanity

[Mr. Who 919]

Ah so the mix is the issue

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Just my preference of course

[Mr. Who 919]

I am going to avoid listening to the score before I see the movie. This seems like a score to hear in context for the first time.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

It’s also quite a pompous sounding score from the samples, which is very the modern thing.  I prefer Kraemer’s lighter-on-its-feet sound.

 

 

The best sounding ones are those percussion focused samples with lots congas and whatnot.

[Jurassic Shark 12,055]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Who said:

Ah so the mix is the issue

 

Not the only issue.

[MrJosh 892]

21 hours ago, Jay said:

The final track sample features Schifrin's theme backed up by EPIC CHOIR 

 

Overall, not impressed at all.

 

That's one thing the M:I theme doesn't need.

 

20 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

It’s also quite a pompous sounding score from the samples, which is very the modern thing.  I prefer Kraemer’s lighter-on-its-feet sound.

 

 

The best sounding ones are those percussion focused samples with lots congas and whatnot.

 

That's a good way to describe it.

 

This is the 2nd most disappointing scoring assignment choice in recent years for me (right after David Arnold not being asked to score ID4 2). I really enjoyed Kraemer's score for the last one and I loved that he used the Puccini melody twice in the score for moments between Ethan and Ilsa, really liked his treatment of Lalo's themes.

[antovolk 95]

Yes, it's very Zimmer/RCP esque which is the whole point here. McQuarrie wanted this film to feel super different from Rogue Nation, more dramatic and emotional, more 'epic', more balls out - people weren't kidding with the Fury Road comparisons because it's absolutely relentless action wise. Within that context therefore, this more RCP take on the material works. at least did for me and reviewers it seems.

 

Thoughts on the film itself - https://letterboxd.com/antovolk/film/mission-impossible-fallout/

[Arpy 4,145]

And as we know, critics have never been champions of orchestral scores, only if the film is an Oscar contender.

[Mephariel 451]

8 hours ago, Jay said:

Samples are online for Balfe's score; It's getting 95 minute digital release by Paramount, as well a shorter physical CD by LLL

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07FKV97LX

 

Go right to track 8 sample if you want to hear what he does with Schifrin's theme.

 

I'm listening with a completely open mind, but so far I haven't heard anything I like more than what Kraemer, Elfman, and Giacchino did

 

Elfman and Zimmer had the best score imo. They both have the best personality that fits their respective movies. Giacchino's score is just off. 

7 hours ago, Mr. Who said:

I really liked Kraemer's work on MI5 and Giacchino's work on MI4 (hated his MI3 score though) and I was a bit bummed that Kraemer didn't return for MI6 but I give Balfe the benefit of the doubt. I have yet to listen to the samples but he was clearly asked to score the movie in a certain way.

 

Btw check out his Genius: Picasso score... it's really good and the opposite of his horrible actions cores.

 

Picasso didn't impress me. It is same old Balfe. Great concept, but the music doesn't go anywhere. 

[Mr. Who 919]

Picasso is one of the few scores by Balfe so far that I haven’t turned off lol

[Obi 404]

I try to listen MI Fallout right now. It's very difficult.

[crocodile 8,000]

Sounds rather cheap. Like trailer music. Not my cup of tea, I'm afraid. Ah well, hopefully the score in the film is good.

 

Karol

[Disco Stu 15,495]

7 minutes ago, crocodile said:

Like trailer music

 

The most succinct shorthand to describe what I was getting at with “pompous” and “airless”

[Jurassic Shark 12,055]

The film will be like a 2 hour long trailer.

[Jay 37,346]

13 hours ago, Mephariel said:

Giacchino's score is just off. 

 

Which one? He wrote 2.

[Kasey Kockroach 2,344]

They were both off-ul!

[Will 2,215]

Well, what can I say... It's an okay score, better than the samples indicated. I'm sure it will work very well in the film. But I don't think I'll be coming back to it often. Feels repetitive and just bangs you over the head in almost every cue. Maybe it will grow on me a little with more listens, but Kraemer's Rogue Nation will still remain infinitely better in my book. 

 

Balfe's best moments here are probably when he brings in the Shiffrin themes. Even then, however, he falls far short of achieving the utter delight that Kraemer did with his clever thematic counterpoint. 

[JoeinAR 1,949]

2 hours ago, kaseykockroach said:

They were both off-ul!

Naturally its MG standard subpar fair.

[Kasey Kockroach 2,344]

Never heard any of the M:I scores (not in my interest at all), I was just being cheeky. 

[JoeinAR 1,949]

2 hours ago, kaseykockroach said:

Never heard any of the M:I scores (not in my interest at all), I was just being cheeky. 

I figured because you have seem to be a MG fan

[Kasey Kockroach 2,344]

Not really. Neither a fan nor hater. He's...there. He exists.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I've never followed this series since the original movie which had the trailer for Star Trek: First Contact at the start of the VHS tape. However, I caught the trailer for this in the cinema a couple times and it looks awesome. 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

One star for the OST from Southall

 

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Now, the album: it’s 96 minutes long.  There’s no getting around that – it’s 96 minutes long.  I’ve watched probably 200 hours of television featuring Bear Grylls, frequently in desperate situations, and let me tell you that I’ve never seen him have to endure an experience quite as arduous as 96 minutes of music from Mission: Impossible – Fallout.  I think you could forgive the blatant Dark Knight lifts if they didn’t go on and on, monochromatically for so long.  There is none of the wit or sophistication of the other scores in the series – it really is just one sound which never alters, never gets more or less colourful, always just stays grey.  There are no moments of heroism, no suggestions of villainy – there’s no joy, no sadness – it’s just the same thing repeated for what seems like an eternity.

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it is fiercely, oppressively boring

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