Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Laughing all the way to the bank! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I'm sure it hasn't - Balfe is probably very happy. I'm sure poor "just following orders" Balfe hates all of the attention the studio is giving his humble score. Frankly I'm pretty neutral to the music he wrote: it's by no means awful (though please stay away from Schifrin). I'm not even gonna say he had objectively had shortcomings that were being called out. I'm just tired of composers hiding behind the excuse of "I was hired to do X", as if they implicitly are saying "the powers that be are the ones responsible for the quality, I'm just the scientist with the daughter held at gunpoint!" I'm not trying to reignite the discussion on what makes good film music that we had in this thread a few months ago. Kasey Kockroach and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 That’s sort of how it works, though. The composer is there to fulfill the director’s vision. Anyone in the industry will say the same thing. The reason why this particular score is getting so much “love and attention” is because of McQuarrie. Highly doubt the decision to do an isolated score track and composer commentary track was Paramount’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: That’s sort of how it works, though. The composer is there to fulfill the director’s vision. Anyone in the industry will say the same thing. The reason why this particular score is getting so much “love and attention” is because of McQuarrie. Highly doubt the decision to do an isolated score track and composer commentary track was Paramount’s. No one's disputing your larger point (and on the latter replace my earlier "studio" comment with "director" and the point stands). It's one of the number one unwritten tenets a film score fan has to accept It's purely that people didn't dig what he did, mentioned so (sometimes in ways that frankly were unnecessary at best), and he throws out that cliche to ward off any personal involvement. He's pretty consistent in his sound and approach from the growing high-profile projects he's accrued in the last year or two, would he really have written something that much different if, by God's grace and mercy, the producers and director pretty please with a cherry on top give him free artistic reign? Just own it and recognize some people don't like it, man! (said rhetorically to Balfe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted account 108 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 6 months from now will anybody care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Interesting review of Fallout by Filmtrack's Christian Clemmensen. http://filmtracks.com/titles/mission_imp6.html Very well written and spot on, and despite its lack of quality he's trying hard to say something positive about the score. Here's some highlights: Quote Balfe blasts you in the face with this material without any significant deviation in technique, and the emotional variance within the score is surprisingly ineffective; you have diarrhetic action, action, and more action, followed by occasional constipation in the form of brooding, ambient suspense or emotionless drama. Balfe has mostly lost the sense of style inherent in the franchise's music in the process of confusing Hunt with Batman, and all of the score's highlights are tied directly to the Schifrin interpolations at their most obvious. Quote The brass could be organic or manipulated to the point of despair, parts of the score forcing symphonic elements through processors meant to give the instruments an abrasive, synthetic edge. Quote Balfe has proven he is no fool, but he sometimes writes like one, and directors like McQuarrie are the reason for that continuing loss of finesse. Will and Kasey Kockroach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 It's about as good a review a you're going to get from CC for a RCP-flavoured score. 2 stars is rather generous for him in context actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 10:40 PM, elvisjones said: 6 months from now will anybody care? Four months for me!...depending on when exactly Hidden World's OST comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Listening to the complete isolated score like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Two stars sounds about four too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I still haven't listened to this. Is it better than Zimmer's M:I II? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliburn 72 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 12 hours ago, MrJosh said: I still haven't listened to this. Is it better than Zimmer's M:I II? I love that score to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 35 minutes ago, Caliburn said: I love that score to be honest I never liked it. But it's still miles better than Balfe's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I thought Balfe's score was fine for a bloody Mission Impossible film. Maybe some people are so invested in this series, but I really don't care who scores these films as long as they're committed and the music services the film - on both counts Balfe seemed to be enjoying what he was doing and the score had its moments... Koray Savas and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 On 10. November 2018 at 1:32 AM, MrJosh said: I still haven't listened to this. Is it better than Zimmer's M:I II? Just as vile, for entirely different reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Is it as good as Broughton’s Mission: Impossible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Haha! "Fallout" doesn't belong in the same sentence as "best" and "original". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/9/2018 at 6:32 PM, MrJosh said: I still haven't listened to this. Is it better than Zimmer's M:I II? Most definitely. Miles better and more fitting Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Well, I have half-watched the film with director and editor commentary track. The amount of times they praise the score is really unheard of. Filmmakers really seem to think this type of scoring is a pinnacle of this artform. No offense to Balfe, he was hired to do what he does. But this is truly depressing. (The track is great... other than that) Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 On 11/28/2018 at 5:39 AM, antovolk said: I don't think that last extract from Variety is complimenting the score... crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 It's iconic, innit. Karol Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2018 I can't help it, it just bothers me the outsize praise Balfe's score gets from "normies" compared to Kraemer's. It bothers me. Bayesian, The Illustrious Jerry, Will and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 5 hours ago, crocodile said: Well, I have half-watched the film with director and editor commentary track. The amount of times they praise the score is really unheard of. Filmmakers really seem to think this type of scoring is a pinnacle of this artform. No offense to Balfe, he was hired to do what he does. But this is truly depressing. (The track is great... other than that) Karol You missed the countless other times McQuarrie praised Balfe’s score? Shouldn’t be a surprise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I wonder if McQuarrie wanted Zimmer all along and then Zimmer pulled out and gave the duties to Balfe? Then McQuarrie was like 'oh shit, yeah, Balfe, he's amazing, incredible, he delivered an outstanding score, so complex and diverse etc.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I just went to the toilet and was reminded about this score. Yeah, that's how bad it was (my toilet visit, that is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I always thought Balfe was Zimmer's footstool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 It fits this particular film and does what it's clearly supposed to be doing. But it also sounds really cheap and small. Like...trailer music. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 29 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: I always thought Balfe was Zimmer's footstool. Fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 "Iconic music" references Schiffrin, who, last I looked, didn't score Fallout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 If only he had! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I don't think they can afford him. They would probably tell him his music is outdated. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I heard that the score was butchered by the editor. Apparently Balfe talks about this in the commentary track with the director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted December 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2018 Like that's the score's biggest problem... crumbs, Kasey Kockroach, The Illustrious Jerry and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 17 minutes ago, Mr. Who said: I heard that the score was butchered by the editor. Apparently Balfe talks about this in the commentary track with the director. I will give this a listen. As much as this music isn't my cup of tea it's great to see so many features devoted to film music on a release. I'm interested in what he has to say. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: 3 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: I always thought Balfe was Zimmer's footstool. Fixed! What's the difference?! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,359 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I can't help it, it just bothers me the outsize praise Balfe's score gets from "normies" compared to Kraemer's. It bothers me. I feel the same way. It’s not that I’m against the idea of hype, but taking it to this level for such a mediocre product is a little frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Rogue Nation got one too, Cruise and McQuarrie are big on film music regardless of composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted December 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2018 Obviously also regardless of any musical quality. Kasey Kockroach, The Illustrious Jerry and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted account 108 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 9 hours ago, Koray Savas said: Rogue Nation got one too, Cruise and McQuarrie are big on film music regardless of composer. Rogue Nation got one what too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Lousy composer? Nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 On 12/8/2018 at 8:47 AM, Jurassic Shark said: If only he had! No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Sigbjørn Vindenes Egge holds nothing back in his scathing review of the score:http://celluloidtunes.no/mission-impossible-fallout-lorne-balfe/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Timely! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Celluloid Tunes exists outside time and space! We post reviews about current releases, old releases, semi-old releases, everything, whatever one feels like at any given time. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliburn 72 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Fallout is a score, that is like a cockroach and refuses to die. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 It could have done more. On 10/22/2018 at 5:40 AM, elvisjones said: 6 months from now will anybody care? I guess you have your answer now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Having now seen the film, yeah, uh, about that "it works in the film": it reminds of some of those awkwardly scored Steven Segal movies. There's a bike chase in Paris and its aftermath, which is, at best, there because the scene would feel even more awkward without music. It's nondescript, flat, orchestrally vapid, detached from the scene emotionally, and free of any attempt to even shape a scene. The score has an astonishing lack of colour and timbral variety. The usage and implementation of the Plot theme in the Paris chase aftermath is clumsy and extraordinarily amateurish. Moreover, the score doesn't indicate that the composer behind it has any notable sense for pace, let alone in a broader sense. Or any ambition. If a washed out trope could be used, it was used. If one of the few short faint melodies sound okay on a single instrument group, don't bother fleshing them out. If you ever wanted to have a score combining the most overused scoring tropes in the blandest way possible, this 110 minute soundtrack is for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 905 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Does anyone have a tracklist in chronological order? - with the bonus tracks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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