deleted account 108 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: @elvisjones, could you say something about how you're involved in the industry? I work with a music editor, and I know a few composers. I went to the same school as Joe Kraemer and have since followed his career with great interest, it's true. I am a huge John Williams fan, especially of his Star Wars music, so I usually only post about that, but since I kind of know Kraemer I post about that too sometimes.... Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, elvisjones said: I work with a music editor, and I know a few composers. I went to the same school as Joe Kraemer and have since followed his career with great interest, it's true. I am a huge John Williams fan, especially of his Star Wars music, so I usually only post about that, but since I kind of know Kraemer I post about that too sometimes.... So what do you do? Are you assisting the editor on soundtrack recordings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted account 108 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: So what do you do? Are you assisting the editor on soundtrack recordings? All sorts of things - archiving takes, helping find temp music, programming streamers and punches (although that is very rare these days), conforming old temps or mockups from a composer to a new version of the movie during the editing process, helping find things for soundtrack reissues, stuff like that. once in a while i help with the printing and copying of the sheet music, and I used to do some orchestration work, but not really anymore. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, elvisjones said: All sorts of things - archiving takes, helping find temp music, programming streamers and punches (although that is very rare these days), conforming old temps or mockups from a composer to a new version of the movie during the editing process, helping find things for soundtrack reissues, stuff like that. once in a while i help with the printing and copying of the sheet music, and I used to do some orchestration work, but not really anymore. That sounds like an interesting job. Have you ever worked on something JW related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted account 108 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Have you ever worked on something JW related? I wish, but no, not really. I came really close on one thing, but it didn't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, elvisjones said: I wish, but no, not really. I came really close on one thing, but it didn't work out. Don't give up! After all, according to JW, it's sustained hard work that makes success! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, elvisjones said: I used to be. Now I am Lorne Balfe. I bet you don't give a shit about replacing yourself, do you Lorne, you selfish bastard? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted account 108 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 5 hours ago, TGP said: I bet you don't give a shit about replacing yourself, do you Lorne, you selfish bastard? Watch out TGP or you'll be next >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 26, 2018 On 5/23/2018 at 7:28 PM, publicist said: Well, if you would have written it like this the firs time it wouldn't have raised questions. Though i still find the it curious with what they ended up with - which doesn't sound like 70's WIlliams at all. Yeah, I wondered about that. I was listening to Black Sunday the other day (a personal favourite) and for the fun of it, decided to pop up a few clips of Rogue One, mute the sound and sync them with cues from BS. With the exception of the groovy Fender bass/hi-hat stuff, it worked perfectly. Now THAT is what Death Troopers should've sounded like. Not Spaceballs 2: Electric Boogalo. The Illustrious Jerry, publicist and MikeH 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 hour ago, elvisjones said: Watch out TGP or you'll be next >:-) Few would mourn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I would mourn your passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 JWFan would hold a vigil and procession with a 24 hour marathon of Interstellar with Eric Whitacre playing the whole way through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Nick Parker said: JWFan would hold a vigil and procession with a 24 hour marathon of Interstellar with Eric Whitacre playing the whole way through. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Early critical hype on this movie is off the charts Typical review: Vanity Fair: Mission: Impossible — Fallout Is the Best Action Movie of the Year There’s also this: Quote Lorne Balfe’s score swells and thrums and booms in similarly epic proportions. He’s an acolyte of Nolan familiar Hans Zimmer, a fact you can hear in every chord that approaches “bwaaamp.” Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 So that means the movie lacks a good score. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Samples are online for Balfe's score; It's getting a 95 minute digital release by Paramount, as well a shorter physical CD by LLL https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07FKV97LX Go right to track 8 sample if you want to hear what he does with Schifrin's theme. I'm listening with a completely open mind, but so far I haven't heard anything I like more than what Kraemer, Elfman, and Giacchino did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 18 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Early critical hype on this movie is off the charts My thoughts exactly. Currently 97% on RT. I assumed it would garner generally positive reviews, but I didn't expect it to receive straight-up critical acclaim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Tom Cruise doesn't deserve good music. He scares me. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 The final track sample features Schifrin's theme backed up by EPIC CHOIR Overall, not impressed at all. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Wasn't this the guy who said his scores were not intended for listening outside of the movies? He sure was right about that. And still he's OK with a 95 minute digital album release. To think what Kraemer could have accomplished... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Unlucky Bastard and MrJosh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Shame about the score but I am SUPER pumped for the movie. JoeinAR and Will 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Ditto. It seems like a classy film just like Rogue Nation is - too bad it lacks a classy score. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I really liked Kraemer's work on MI5 and Giacchino's work on MI4 (hated his MI3 score though) and I was a bit bummed that Kraemer didn't return for MI6 but I give Balfe the benefit of the doubt. I have yet to listen to the samples but he was clearly asked to score the movie in a certain way. Btw check out his Genius: Picasso score... it's really good and the opposite of his horrible actions cores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Those samples sound effing atrocious Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Synthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Just that super overblown, overmixed, over compressed modern sound that is so ugly to my ears. Somehow airless and lacking humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Ah so the mix is the issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Just my preference of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I am going to avoid listening to the score before I see the movie. This seems like a score to hear in context for the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 It’s also quite a pompous sounding score from the samples, which is very the modern thing. I prefer Kraemer’s lighter-on-its-feet sound. The best sounding ones are those percussion focused samples with lots congas and whatnot. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, Mr. Who said: Ah so the mix is the issue Not the only issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 21 hours ago, Jay said: The final track sample features Schifrin's theme backed up by EPIC CHOIR Overall, not impressed at all. That's one thing the M:I theme doesn't need. 20 hours ago, Disco Stu said: It’s also quite a pompous sounding score from the samples, which is very the modern thing. I prefer Kraemer’s lighter-on-its-feet sound. The best sounding ones are those percussion focused samples with lots congas and whatnot. That's a good way to describe it. This is the 2nd most disappointing scoring assignment choice in recent years for me (right after David Arnold not being asked to score ID4 2). I really enjoyed Kraemer's score for the last one and I loved that he used the Puccini melody twice in the score for moments between Ethan and Ilsa, really liked his treatment of Lalo's themes. Jurassic Shark and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Yes, it's very Zimmer/RCP esque which is the whole point here. McQuarrie wanted this film to feel super different from Rogue Nation, more dramatic and emotional, more 'epic', more balls out - people weren't kidding with the Fury Road comparisons because it's absolutely relentless action wise. Within that context therefore, this more RCP take on the material works. at least did for me and reviewers it seems. Thoughts on the film itself - https://letterboxd.com/antovolk/film/mission-impossible-fallout/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 And as we know, critics have never been champions of orchestral scores, only if the film is an Oscar contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 8 hours ago, Jay said: Samples are online for Balfe's score; It's getting 95 minute digital release by Paramount, as well a shorter physical CD by LLL https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07FKV97LX Go right to track 8 sample if you want to hear what he does with Schifrin's theme. I'm listening with a completely open mind, but so far I haven't heard anything I like more than what Kraemer, Elfman, and Giacchino did Elfman and Zimmer had the best score imo. They both have the best personality that fits their respective movies. Giacchino's score is just off. 7 hours ago, Mr. Who said: I really liked Kraemer's work on MI5 and Giacchino's work on MI4 (hated his MI3 score though) and I was a bit bummed that Kraemer didn't return for MI6 but I give Balfe the benefit of the doubt. I have yet to listen to the samples but he was clearly asked to score the movie in a certain way. Btw check out his Genius: Picasso score... it's really good and the opposite of his horrible actions cores. Picasso didn't impress me. It is same old Balfe. Great concept, but the music doesn't go anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Picasso is one of the few scores by Balfe so far that I haven’t turned off lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 404 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 I try to listen MI Fallout right now. It's very difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Sounds rather cheap. Like trailer music. Not my cup of tea, I'm afraid. Ah well, hopefully the score in the film is good. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, crocodile said: Like trailer music The most succinct shorthand to describe what I was getting at with “pompous” and “airless” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 The film will be like a 2 hour long trailer. toothless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 13 hours ago, Mephariel said: Giacchino's score is just off. Which one? He wrote 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 They were both off-ul! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Well, what can I say... It's an okay score, better than the samples indicated. I'm sure it will work very well in the film. But I don't think I'll be coming back to it often. Feels repetitive and just bangs you over the head in almost every cue. Maybe it will grow on me a little with more listens, but Kraemer's Rogue Nation will still remain infinitely better in my book. Balfe's best moments here are probably when he brings in the Shiffrin themes. Even then, however, he falls far short of achieving the utter delight that Kraemer did with his clever thematic counterpoint. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 2 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: They were both off-ul! Naturally its MG standard subpar fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Never heard any of the M:I scores (not in my interest at all), I was just being cheeky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 2 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: Never heard any of the M:I scores (not in my interest at all), I was just being cheeky. I figured because you have seem to be a MG fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Not really. Neither a fan nor hater. He's...there. He exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 I've never followed this series since the original movie which had the trailer for Star Trek: First Contact at the start of the VHS tape. However, I caught the trailer for this in the cinema a couple times and it looks awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2018 One star for the OST from Southall Quote Now, the album: it’s 96 minutes long. There’s no getting around that – it’s 96 minutes long. I’ve watched probably 200 hours of television featuring Bear Grylls, frequently in desperate situations, and let me tell you that I’ve never seen him have to endure an experience quite as arduous as 96 minutes of music from Mission: Impossible – Fallout. I think you could forgive the blatant Dark Knight lifts if they didn’t go on and on, monochromatically for so long. There is none of the wit or sophistication of the other scores in the series – it really is just one sound which never alters, never gets more or less colourful, always just stays grey. There are no moments of heroism, no suggestions of villainy – there’s no joy, no sadness – it’s just the same thing repeated for what seems like an eternity. .... it is fiercely, oppressively boring http://www.movie-wave.net/mission-impossible-fallout/#more-7975 toothless, Jurassic Shark and Will 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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