The Force Awakens The Force Awakens SPOILERS ALLOWED Discussion Thread

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Aren't all the SW finales without dialogue? ESB had a bit but Luke and Leia said nothing to each other.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

PPPPEEEAAACCCEEEE!!!

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Authorities are asking Los Angelenos not to fire their blasters at First Order spacecraft. You may inadvertently trigger an interstellar war...

[mrbellamy 6,278]

Is there any live links for the old spoiler-filled breakdown of the whole movie that leaked this summer?

I wonder how accurate it is to the final cut of the film

Yeah, I went looking for some of that stuff afterward and this was a synopsis from last May that compiled all the leaks that had been coming out: http://makingstarwars.net/2015/05/a-compiled-synopsis-of-star-wars-the-force-awakens/

It's all there. The biggest difference was that the lightsaber was the McGuffin and apparently people were convinced that the movie began with it floating around in space, then lands on Jakku and Von Sydow/Poe put it in BB8. And the vision was something Maz gave the group, not something Rey sees herself. And looks like some codenames are still in there (Snoke is called "Uber") and filler scenes that are just speculation.

But if you wanted to know pretty much what this movie was more than 6 months ago, there it was.

[Jay 37,346]

So they were basically right that BB8 was carrying something important and assumed it was Luke's lightsaber

[Koray Savas 2,251]

So the one silent moment in the film is a big mistake to you, Koray? I wish there were more moments like this. You know, moments that don't need dialogue. Luke immediately demonstrating his force abilities on a young approaching girl would be so uncool and awkward. At least now we have the feeling that the wise Jedi Master, the legendary Luke Skywalker, is actually expecting this visit.

I just said that I didn't want dialogue.

[Jay 37,346]

Looks like they speculated Rey was Ren's sister back then

There's a bunch of other stuff too, like The Resistance having a superweapon of their own that could take down Star Destroyers

[Balahkay 627]

Did Maz survive the attack? I'm assuming she did, but I don't remember seeing her after she told Finn could use the lightsaber as a weapon. I'm also assuming Kylo, Hux and Phasma escaped Starkiller before it blew.

[Jay 37,346]

Yes, I assume Maz, Hux, Ren, and Phasma all survived the film

Really only Han and Von Sydow died

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Happy trails, Han.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I very much assume that every character that didnt die on screen is still alive for the next one.

[Jay 37,346]

Right.

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I didn't realize Simon Pegg played the alien Rey barters for food with

http://comicbook.com/2015/12/19/all-the-star-wars-the-force-awakens-cameos-we-spotted/2

[Matt C 452]

Ewan McGregor and Frank Oz contributed voice work for Rey's flashbacks in TFA. The producers even used a vintage recording from the late Alec Guinness too.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-reveals-obi-wan-and-yoda-are-star-wars-force-awakens

[Nick1Ø66 4,710]

I was thinking about those Luke lines in the teaser the other day. It'll ruin it for me if she is his daughter.

I'm just sorta taking this as a given.

[Jay 37,346]

Too bad the flashback was so jumbled it was hard to get a sense of everything that was in it. Would love to see a longer version

[Bilbo 3,709]

It's slightly different in the novel I think.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

I didn't realize Simon Pegg played the alien Rey barters for food with

How could you?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

UNFRIENDING!!!

[Koray Savas 2,251]

Michael Giacchino is a stormtrooper too.

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Yes, I assume Maz, Hux, Ren, and Phasma all survived the film

Really only Han and Von Sydow died

With Lor, it was kinda vague. Kylo says something about showing him the power of the dark side and then he replies something like, "You may try." Maybe I'm just assuming too much, but it didn't seem to be a coincidence that this guy knew who everyone was and had the map to Luke, looked like Ben Kenobi and was on the same planet as Luke's daughter. My prediction from the start was that he was a Jedi character. But I'm probably overthinking this stuff.

But see, that's what this movie constantly does, as derivative as it is. It makes your brain work and you fuckin' think about shit. Why couldn't Abrams' Star Trek movies have been like that?

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I was hoping they'd be a bit more disappointed. Their positive reviews aren't the reason I watch.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

Lor was Obi-Wan's brother.

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

I'm with Mike 100%

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Spin-off movie now!

[Bilbo 3,709]

Yes, I assume Maz, Hux, Ren, and Phasma all survived the film

Really only Han and Von Sydow died

With Lor, it was kinda vague. Kylo says something about showing him the power of the dark side and then he replies something like, "You may try." Maybe I'm just assuming too much, but it didn't seem to be a coincidence that this guy knew who everyone was and had the map to Luke, looked like Ben Kenobi and was on the same planet as Luke's daughter. My prediction from the start was that he was a Jedi character. But I'm probably overthinking this stuff.

But see, that's what this movie constantly does, as derivative as it is. It makes your brain work and you fuckin' think about shit. Why couldn't Abrams' Star Trek movies have been like that?

He's a priest in the church of the Force. So he believes in the Force but not actually Force sensitive.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

Force sensitive? Is that like being gluten sensitive?

[BloodBoal 7,538]

"The church of the Force"? Wut?

[nightscape94 965]

Too bad the flashback was so jumbled it was hard to get a sense of everything that was in it.

But that's sorta the point, isn't it?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-reveals-obi-wan-and-yoda-are-star-wars-force-awakens

Apparently Frank Oz and Ian McGregor reprised their roles in TFA.

[nightscape94 965]

I didn't like the final shot either. First of all, was Luke just standing on that cliff during the events of the whole movie? Seemed too convenient that he was just waiting there, doing nothing.

I had the impression the way he was facing that he saw her arrive and watched her climb the steps.

[Quintus 5,399]

Does Koray really think Luke was supposed to have literally been standing there the whole time, like, "during the events of the whole movie"? Come on, please tell me he worded that wrong.

[Balahkay 627]

Well, Luke no doubt saw and heard the Falcon when it arrived. He was waiting for whomever to come to him. He may have been expecting Leia, Han or some other familiar face, but got Rey instead.

[mrbellamy 6,278]

Yes, I assume Maz, Hux, Ren, and Phasma all survived the film

Really only Han and Von Sydow died

With Lor, it was kinda vague. Kylo says something about showing him the power of the dark side and then he replies something like, "You may try." Maybe I'm just assuming too much, but it didn't seem to be a coincidence that this guy knew who everyone was and had the map to Luke, looked like Ben Kenobi and was on the same planet as Luke's daughter. My prediction from the start was that he was a Jedi character. But I'm probably overthinking this stuff.

But see, that's what this movie constantly does, as derivative as it is. It makes your brain work and you fuckin' think about shit. Why couldn't Abrams' Star Trek movies have been like that?

Yeah, good or bad, it leaves things to discuss. They didn't answer everything onscreen, so people aren't just left saying "Well, that fucking sucked and I have nothing left to say" nor leave things so open-ended that nothing ties together or makes any sense. There's nothing flat-out confusing here but it makes you go back-and-forth wondering about the plot and the next step. They did a pretty good job in that sense.

[crocodile 8,000]

I got a good chuckle when they mention a Clone Army.

Karol

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Does Koray really think Luke was supposed to have literally been standing there the whole time, like, "during the events of the whole movie"? Come on, please tell me he worded that wrong.

The Force told him. That look on his face. He was mourning his friend Han's death! Surely he feels responsible?

[Balahkay 627]

Yes, I assume Maz, Hux, Ren, and Phasma all survived the film

Really only Han and Von Sydow died

Hamill, Isaac, Christie and Boyega have been confirmed to return. I imagine Driver, Gleeson and even Fisher will return as well. Even though Han is gone, Leia's involvement doesn't seem to over, yet. It seems like Ren will continue his training and Rey will begin her training. And the ultimate goal will be to bring Ren back to the light side and take down Snoke and the First Order?

[mrbellamy 6,278]

I'm really interested to see how much Han's death is addressed in VIII. Surely they can't completely gloss it over. People need to hear Luke and Leia speak about it, separately or together.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I'm sure it will be a big part of the scenes with Luke and Rey. Luke perhaps feeling responsible for it. Since Ren turned to the Dark Side under his guidance.

[Balahkay 627]

Are there any shots in the old trailers that didn't make the final cut of the film?

Yeah, quite a few actually.

In the first teaser: 00:39-00:40, 00:49

In the second teaser: 00:52, 01:07 (I think), 01:21

In the trailer: 01:29, 01:43 (I think)

Plus there were a few more shots that appeared in TV spots that I noticed were missing in the film.

You're right about 1:07 and 1:43. And 00:30 in the first teaser, I think. Also, I don't recall hearing "Who are you?" and "I'm no-one" from the trailer.

[nightscape94 965]

Since his son is the main villain, it's unavoidable that Han will be brought up at some point or another.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

Does Koray really think Luke was supposed to have literally been standing there the whole time, like, "during the events of the whole movie"? Come on, please tell me he worded that wrong.

Of course he wasn't literally standing there, but did they not see him walking around as a hologram when they pieced together the map? I find it unlikely that he's oblivious to the events of the film and just hung out on an island.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

He was in hiding for reasons unknown. Everyone was looking for him, for reasons unknown.

[Balahkay 627]

I'm really interested to see how much Han's death is addressed in VIII. Surely they can't completely gloss it over. People need to hear Luke and Leia speak about it, separately or together.

I'm a little surprised they didn't have a memorial service of some sort for him. They didn't announce that he had died but it was obvious they knew. I felt bad for Chewie. But really, who didn't see Han's death coming? I mean, Ren and Han were on a long bridge with no railings. Someone was going to die.

He was in hiding for reasons unknown. Everyone was looking for him, for reasons unknown.

I thought Han said he left after Ren turned bad? Because of guilt perhaps? Sounds unlike Luke, though.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Gandalf died on a bridge like that!

[Jay 37,346]

Dumbledore didn't get a funeral and Han doesn't either!

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Wasn't Luke kinda dressed like Gandalf? I think it was the light-colored robes and the setting that gave me a Lord of the Rings vibe.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

So? Why is that important?

Ben never got one, btw. Or Yoda

[Balahkay 627]

It's not important. I'm just a little surprised since he was considered a war hero. I'm glad they didn't make a big deal about his death. Leia "feeling" his death and Chewie's reaction was enough.

Was it ever explained how Poe survived the crash with Finn and how he got back to the Resistance? I'm assuming he was ejected from Tie Fighter (like Finn). Although, I don't how his jacket stayed behind unless if he wasn't wearing it when he was ejected.

[Score 770]

I might have lost something in this long discussion, however, may I ask to recap why most people consider Rey being Luke's daughter much more likely than her being Han and Leia's daughter? I am still more in favour of this second option. The fact that she is related to the Skywalkers is basically clear because Luke gives it away in the trailer.