Damien F 1,742 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 From the Jedi Council Boards. Some posivity. I've been listening to the OST on Youtube on and off these past few daysWow. My opinion has totally changed from "I'm disappointed" to "I'm underwhelmed" to "I'm impressed" to "I love this!" It's a grower! This seems to be the most common listening experience - mine too. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 904 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 That's my experience with most Williams scores with the exception of the ones I was already familiar with when I started collecting (ie the big ones) and a few others. A new score is always not exactly what I was expecting - how could it be? And it takes time before it feels like it truly belongs in Williams' canon. Of course, every score belongs in that canon, but it takes time for a new score or work to feel like it belongs in the Williams' library of my mind.New scores often initially feel like unwanted and obtrusive intruders. The same goes for new works by a lot of other musicians. What I've come to realize is that a Williams' score always grows on me as its melodies, harmonies, and other little intricacies cement themselves in my mind. I might not grow to love every piece of course, but there are always pieces or sections of pieces that eventually give me much more pleasure than my first listen indicated. The first few listens might not do much for me (there are exceptions), but at some point during a later listen, a little light goes off in mind, and suddenly I can't wait to listen to that piece again and again and again. A real sense of expectancy and excitement precedes each subsequent listen. crumbs and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I had the opposite experience with The Book Thief. When I first heard it, I thought it was one of Williams' most beautiful scores, and, a week later, I had grown tired of it and haven't listened to it much since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Which one? Mark? ^^Williams Ross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Have any other composers commented on the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 It's the Goldsmith character theme if he did Star Wars. Jerry Goldsmith is better then everything! The more Williams matures as an artist, the more he becomes like Goldsmith. I think it's telling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Quote I know this is extremely unpopular to say around here, but I think it might have been a bit interesting if we saw someone else compose TFA. Read with caution: Maybe they should have gotten Hanz Zimmer to do it. I know he doesn't write all the score of his music, but much of his soundtrack is just really good. I hate Reddit... Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 If that person had been able to say what they wanted to say in a not extremely fucking ignorant/nonsensical way, I wouldn't mind. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 It's a compliment and a criticism in the same sentence. Skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 On December 20, 2015 at 0:43 PM, Stefancos said: Yes! "Follow Me" is basically John Williams attempting "Open the Gates" from The Final Frontier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 8 hours ago, Mr. Big said: I hate Reddit... Is it me or does Poe's theme actually have a little bit of Zimmer in there? (please be gentle....) Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 I SAID JUST A LITTLE BIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 "A little bit" is already too much "bit"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: Is it me or does Poe's theme actually have a little bit of Zimmer in there? (please be gentle....) Where can I listen to Poe's theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 And at least one more unreleased rendition during the X-Wing/resistance music. I'm not sure if there are more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 I don't hear anything particularly Zimmer-ish about it. Perhaps it's the harmonies? If you extract them, they can eventually be extended into a typical piece of Zimmer-ish "epic sad awesome battle warrior" trailer music, but that's not saying much. (please be gentle...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 I don't hear anything Zimmer like in the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Poe's theme is very Williamsy and very unZimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 43 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: And at least one more unreleased rendition during the X-Wing/resistance music. I'm not sure if there are more. Isn't that on the FYC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Yes, it is. I just meant officially released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 On 12/24/2015 at 6:50 AM, Lhokne Mulb said: "Follow Me" is basically John Williams attempting "Open the Gates" from The Final Frontier. Be one with the Falcon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Variety put up a photo-article, "21 Reasons Why The Force Awakens Totally Rocks", and they gave another nice shoutout at Williams and his score for TFA: Quote 8. The music makes the movie … again. Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher also reprise their original roles as sibling star-warriors, but the most indispensable encore here comes from composer John Williams, the man responsible for giving George Lucas' space opera its grandeur and scope. Now 83, the five-time Oscar winner even declined working on Steven Spielberg's "Bridge of Spies" in order to revisit the Jedi universe, writing new themes for Rey and Kylo Ren, while musically reinforcing the links to the series' legacy. Consider the impact aboard the Millennium Falcon, when a would-be moment of suspense reveals the entrance of Han Solo and Chewbacca: The music slyly underscores that surprise by invoking the familiar "Star Wars" anthem. (Fun fact: Han Solo has never had his own music.) Cerebral Cortex and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 It's so weird to me to read other people saying they want a different composer to score Ep 8 or that they don't like TFA's score. I wonder if JW's style is just too out of step with modern film scores that most audiences hear these days or what. I love TFA's score and even with some faults, it really delivers on that Star Wars sound. I can't imagine anyone doing a better job than JW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 It is depressing that I am reading/watching/listening to extended spoiler reviews of The Force Awakens and I agree with pretty much everything they say except for the opinion that the score is below par with the exception of old themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Yeah, I really don't know what to make of it. As I've noted elsewhere, I thought the score worked great in imax, but found it often inaudible in a normal theater. I wonder is this utterly brilliant score will ever get the proper recognition it deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 20 hours ago, artguy360 said: It's so weird to me to read other people saying they want a different composer to score Ep 8 or that they don't like TFA's score. I wonder if JW's style is just too out of step with modern film scores that most audiences hear these days or what. I love TFA's score and even with some faults, it really delivers on that Star Wars sound. I can't imagine anyone doing a better job than JW. I've seen a lot of random "there are no hummable themes" comments, but this one surely takes the cake: "My biggest beef with the score is that they didnt use the theme from the trailers...not even on the damn soundtrack." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Yeah, I have seen that a lot. I posted about the FYC on one of the Star Wars leak subreddits, and got a handful of messages just asking if the FYC had the trailer music on it. C'mon guys, on the FYC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Maybe it is true that music listeners, even film score lovers, prefer the modern Hans Zimmer sound and find JW to be old fashioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 You mean people who listen to this and then comment on it on the internet, who in all probability are the demographical equivalent of THE IT CROWD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 3 hours ago, MikeH said: I've seen a lot of random "there are no hummable themes" comments, but this one surely takes the cake: "My biggest beef with the score is that they didnt use the theme from the trailers...not even on the damn soundtrack." It's just absolutely disgusting. I thought YouTube was a terrible place for comments but sometimes I actually weep at these comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 http://filmtracks.com/titles/force_awakens.html And with that, it's pretty much unanimous between Southall, Broxton, and Clemmensen that TFA is a masterwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 2 hours ago, Taikomochi said: http://filmtracks.com/titles/force_awakens.html And with that, it's pretty much unanimous between Southall, Broxton, and Clemmensen that TFA is a masterwork. I actually agree with nearly every word of this review, particularly the rebuttals to some of the more common complaints about the score. Some nice in-depth thematic analysis too (not just an entire review complimenting and congratulating Williams, which it also does). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 And I bet KK will keep on defending that twat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 For giving the score 5 stars? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Don't you start! Clemmensen has lost all credibility, seriously! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 He's never had any credibility! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I kid ofcoursee! This part is presumptuous though. After a busy 2005 that featured a somewhat discombobulated Revenge of the Sith score, Williams slipped into semi-retirement, returning only occasionally for feature projects of his choice as his health allowed. There has never been a shred of evidence to suggest health issues prevented Williams from taking on assignments. Not untill this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 He does that. He also sometimes makes some strange observations about the music, about things that don't seem to be even there in the first place. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Quote With grosses like that, who cares how derivative the idea has become or how much you have to spend on crew specialists to combat the combined weight gain of original actors Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and Anthony Daniels? Jesus Christian, take it easy dude. mbrannon47 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I think the review is fine once he gets to the music. I've alwas liked him. Anthony Daniels has always been trim enough to fit into the C-3PO suit - he even discussed this in a recent interview. I know Hamill and Fisher were on regimens (seems kind of silly since Spoiler Hamill was only in the movie for thirty seconds ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I think in terms of thoroughness and quality of musical observation, Clemmensen is the best reviewer out there for film scores. He just can't help himself from saying weird/asshole things now and then. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Just now, Taikomochi said: Clemmensen is the best reviewer out there for film scores Haha, good one Taikomochi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 3 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: I think in terms of thoroughness and quality of musical observation, Clemmensen is the best reviewer out there for film scores. He just can't help himself from saying weird/asshole things now and then. And he does overwrite his paragraphs to the point of unreadability. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Well, I never read reviews elsewhere and had my opinion changed. I didn't even like the LOTR scores until I read Clemmensen's reviews of them. He does make his reviews accessible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I'm glad Clemmensen gave TFA a positive review. But yeah, I sort of wish people stopped speculating about Williams' health and how it affects his assignments. If I were Williams I would grow really tired of it all. Let the man compose! On 29/12/2015 at 9:20 AM, RPurton said: It's just absolutely disgusting. I thought YouTube was a terrible place for comments but sometimes I actually weep at these comments. I just saw this as well: Look out Shawn Murphy! Hatted Sandwich and his artificial reverb know how to improve the score better than you ever did! Arpy and DarthDementous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Hatted Sandwich is one of the best usernames I've ever heard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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